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Now for god's sake, someone get a better logo pic plz.

I posted one.



I could make a serious one, but I don't know what it should look like.

lol.


Yes please do. How about the SEN title text?

How about a whole new CSS?

I find it funny that you banned him because he released a program that, among it's many legitimate uses, allows people to take others' "credit" for their hard work. After that, you refuse to give him any credit for his idea. My hypocrisy senses are tingly. If you don't give LegacyWeapon credit for his idea, that means that you agree with him in that credit doesn't matter and therefore support OSMAP.

LegacyWeapon is not, and never has been banned.

Either way, I'm already doubting if the wiki is necessary now. I'm coding some a nice tutorial system for v5. Also, I'm very willing to let LegacyWeapon run the SEN Wiki if he chooses to do so.

Seems fair enough to me.

It's doubtful though, now that he probably thinks we all hate him.

If anyone would deserve a second change (lord knows those have been given out around here), it's him.

Favorite't. (The Wiki, not the topic..although it is amusing to watch ya'll argoo)

Well I'm almost going to agree with that. The only issue that still seems to be a factor here is LW's relations with devilesk, but if devilesk wasn't really the hacker then it's probably no more than just an interests-related alliance ("open source", in this case).

Otherwise I'd question LW's intent prior (and during) the OSMAP incident as directed at SEN, and thus recommend the demotion be kept. But I'd still say some repentance would be called for a full second-chance, though. He had no right to take that matter into his own hands; whether OS is the right thing to do or not.



However he doesn't appear to be interested in SEN anymore (talked to him briefly today), so this might be moot anyway.

Dang news topics and their..13 page arguements..

Anyway, I like the wiki. Oh, and nobody took anything from anyone, where the heck are we going with these arguments? A wiki is a wiki. Several members had the idea to create one, not just Legacy Weapon. We were brainstorming on it over the summer, mid-Julyish.

What you've done has had the same effect -- he hasn't returned despite you 'allowing' him to do so. He's banned, and it's your fault.

Also, I notice that you dodged my other point. Boy, you really are a sore loser, aren't you?

Well, its so great to have two original map making wikis on the internet.

Article 1
Same article

Oops! It looks like the community that does not promote stealing is promoting stealing! That is what you wanted, correct moose?

Actually, I wrote that article.
It was so terrible I felt bad for it.

This is how it looked before I edited it.

Regardless, it is still technically stealing from LWs original wiki. Whats happening is that slowly the two wikis are becoming alike, and SEN will come out on top due to its popularity.

Also, *somebody* told me to add that all quality content orginates from the (U) wiki.

Yoshi, I don't agree with it either, partly for that reason. Also because having two wikis for the same purpose is redundant. Dividing our resources is bad enough, but doing it to rationalize having "control" over it is just making it a matter of picking sides. I can't really abide that.


Sorry, I've thought it over, and I'm gonna stick with my original stance on this one. The correct approach would be to revise the existing tutorial db and be done with it. No one can claim stealing, we use a pre-existing base that people are familiar with, it doesn't require porting members and existing tutorials to an entirely different medium, and it's within SEN itself. Everyone wins.

EDIT- Well, everybody who hasn't shunned SEN wins, anyway.

Popular != better.
I guess we'll just have to see what happens.

Someone needs to explain to Yoshi what a wiki is.

This is completely unfounded. Kenoli was the one that wrote both articles. What got stolen? What I see is a content migration from U's wiki to SEN's wiki, which is probably a good thing, if we can do it completely.

Except it'll go to waste if SEN gets its own tutorial system that allows wiki features. Or worse yet, the wiki will override the new system, unless it's shut down or something.

The sooner this gets done, the better.

There are some things that can be expressed better on a wiki than in the tutorial system. What if it became possible to move all the tutorials to the wiki? I think that would be pretty cool.

Well of course. That's why I'm suggesting a wiki-like upgrade for the tutorials. An in-house one, instead of as a seperate site, I mean.

Don't call me an idiot, I'm not the one who is changing sides as it's more convenient.

I didn't change any theme, I just replied to you little childish post.

I want to see you happy downloading 300Kb map the 10th time although you got the original version. Just because somebody wanted to add this. So do I have to repeat? Yes I do..

Make your own maps.

I know I haven't been around in a long while, but I pretty much know SEN better than pretty much 99% of the user population, and from my reserach, not much has changed regarding policies and the such.

SeN was originally meant to be a Starcraft Mapmaking Meca where all sorts of mapmakers could come in, research, learn, teach and to share their maps and knowledge with others. SeN's policies, rules and basis has been revolving around that ideal, and I know that I worked for nearly 2 years along with fellow Staff Members to promote this ideal.

Now, to come to the point. This so called "SEN Wiki" is just promoting people to get divided. We have an excellent Tutorials databse, that serves the exact same purpose as the Wiki, it has the same features, funstions, potential and it's already greatly integrated to the site. All I see between the Wiki and SeN is a shared name.

I don't want to get fussed about LW, credit and such. But, why do I still see his Wiki thread on the News? But do we see SeN endorsing 2 different Wikis? This again brings me to my previous point, the population is being divided, and will eventually lead to some sort of "Diablo I" scenario with Starcraft, where hackers and non-hackers got into a big rivalry which eventually wiped the Diablo I population as a whole. Many people have left Starcraft, and no doubt, it's a great game that can be refreshed over and over, but with these kinds or arguements, rivalries and such, I don't see much life left to squeeze out of a game that is almost a decade old.

I know some of you have seen some nasty arguements of mine from the past where SeN's policies, rules or any future project or ideal in development was either changed, removed or radically changed the other way around. So please, let's just all get along before I start.