Report, edit, etc...Posted by LordVodka on 2005-02-03 at 01:48:32
Okay, we've all seen people with the Uber status correct?
Well, how exactly does one go about getting an Uber status?
It would seem to me that the Uber status is based upon people w/ Mod status approval. I dont agree with that, they base it on how many new things you post in a place that are very strange and intriguing. Or, how complex your maps are. We'll, eventually, the Uber status will be completely un-attainable to other people. There are just so many new things that people can create. So, if someone would explain how it is possible anymore at all, do tell.
P.S. I couldn't care less about the Uber status, I just like to make maps and I will continue to. The reason I post this is because it would seem like the people with this status seem to think that they are above everyone else in map-making. I will not name names, nor am I saying that all with this status is like this. It just annoys the hell outta me is all...
Well, how exactly does one go about getting an Uber status?
It would seem to me that the Uber status is based upon people w/ Mod status approval. I dont agree with that, they base it on how many new things you post in a place that are very strange and intriguing. Or, how complex your maps are. We'll, eventually, the Uber status will be completely un-attainable to other people. There are just so many new things that people can create. So, if someone would explain how it is possible anymore at all, do tell.
P.S. I couldn't care less about the Uber status, I just like to make maps and I will continue to. The reason I post this is because it would seem like the people with this status seem to think that they are above everyone else in map-making. I will not name names, nor am I saying that all with this status is like this. It just annoys the hell outta me is all...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-02-03 at 01:57:37
Actually, the people with Uber status are usually the most mature members. None of them throw it around. If they did, the whole system would be removed. If you disagree, quote some incidents where Uber members have acted like they know more than others because they're Uber. Have you ever considered that fact that they were given the Uber status because they happen to know more than others? They would act the same without Uber status, because they have the required knowledge anyway, with or without their reputation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-02-03 at 09:33:59
So, what else are you suggesting? Making the "uber" status available to everyone? And make another topic about stupid newbs that put themselves Uber everywhere?? Doupt it.
It was created so that staff and admins could give the status to someone who made a great effort with 2 or more maps; or did something *really* special for the community. It's not distribuated freely throught every moderators here...
You also might want to take a look at this topic:
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=6112&hl=
It was created so that staff and admins could give the status to someone who made a great effort with 2 or more maps; or did something *really* special for the community. It's not distribuated freely throught every moderators here...
You also might want to take a look at this topic:
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=6112&hl=
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-02-03 at 11:24:34
I'm thinking about removing the whole map making skill system. No one is honest enough, so we might implant something where you actually rate people upon their map making skill... and the higher your skill is, the higher your vote counts (because you got that high for a reason).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-02-03 at 12:40:39
Please do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2005-02-03 at 15:07:54
I'd screw it all completely. No ratings, no skill selections, just maps to play and judge upon.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-02-03 at 15:49:06
What I'm not Uber. . . HA HA HA
lol Anyways if you make a voting sytem i think you should simply make it so each member can annonomously declair someone "advaned"
Then everyone would have a score based on how many people consider them advanced. If everyone on SEN thinks someone is advanced then they will have a really high score.
Now you may argue that people will abuse this by having there friends vote them advanced. And your right, but If there not really advaned they won't get anymore votes besides what there friends gave them so there score will still remain low.
But yeah I also like the idea about how if your rated higher your votes count for more. I'm just saying that it should be a Yes or No rating, its easyer to rate people advanced or not. And you don't have to debate with yourself about if there average or advanced.
lol Anyways if you make a voting sytem i think you should simply make it so each member can annonomously declair someone "advaned"
Then everyone would have a score based on how many people consider them advanced. If everyone on SEN thinks someone is advanced then they will have a really high score.
Now you may argue that people will abuse this by having there friends vote them advanced. And your right, but If there not really advaned they won't get anymore votes besides what there friends gave them so there score will still remain low.
But yeah I also like the idea about how if your rated higher your votes count for more. I'm just saying that it should be a Yes or No rating, its easyer to rate people advanced or not. And you don't have to debate with yourself about if there average or advanced.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2005-02-03 at 16:32:54
well, if you did implement that system then the peoples friends could vote like 10/10 for him. so its impossible to have a foolproof system. i like it the way it is because when you are helping a beginner mapper, you tend to give more info and the people who are "advanced" are hurting themselves because they dont recieve as much help.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-02-03 at 16:40:46
Make a system of handouts where mods can give people handouts to use to vote. 1 Handout = 1 vote. Then only people who have earned a handout (probably from being a respectable member, etc) can vote on other people.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-02-03 at 18:21:34
How about the admins make the choice?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-02-03 at 18:25:00
Thats what the system IS, and its already failing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-02-03 at 18:28:40
QUOTE(Yoshi da Sniper @ Feb 3 2005, 08:24 AM)
I'm thinking about removing the whole map making skill system. No one is honest enough, so we might implant something where you actually rate people upon their map making skill... and the higher your skill is, the higher your vote counts (because you got that high for a reason).
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I don't want to be changed to "uber" because I'm not uber at mapping, only advanced.Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-02-03 at 18:35:25
QUOTE(Yoshi da Sniper @ Feb 3 2005, 10:24 AM)
I'm thinking about removing the whole map making skill system. No one is honest enough, so we might implant something where you actually rate people upon their map making skill... and the higher your skill is, the higher your vote counts (because you got that high for a reason).
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The soul purpose of these "Map making skill levels" are there so when you need help, people would give either difficult or easy ways of fixing your problem depending on your skill level right?
Well if so, then try this thing where i mentioned in some other thread. Make it instead of map making skill, be "How difficult do you want your helpful advice to be?" or soemthing like that. And make the choices like "Easiest way, Intermediate way, Difficult way, Uberest way." Because not all "Uber" people would always want "Uber" ways of fixing their maps. Some beginners also would want "uber" advise on fixing things so then they can actually learn new things in the meanwhile!
QUOTE(Johnznothere78 @ Feb 3 2005, 05:21 PM)
How about the admins make the choice?
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They're too busy with that stuff i think. Yoshi and IP already have their hands full with programming and site management, the other staff/mods are just watching over the site's files and stuff as well as forums as well. Everyone's busy; giving people "uber" skill thing is probably a very low priority on their long list of chores.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-02-05 at 15:15:35
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Feb 3 2005, 05:28 PM)
I'm dead honest I don't want to be changed to "uber" because I'm not uber at mapping, only advanced.
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I've known that for a long time. You have actully gotten better though. Honestly you were calling yourself advanced long before I considered you to be. Even now it seems most of your knowleage is a result of read and puke.
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Feb 3 2005, 05:35 PM)
The soul purpose of these "Map making skill levels" are there so when you need help, people would give either difficult or easy ways of fixing your problem depending on your skill level right?
Well if so, then try this thing where i mentioned in some other thread. Make it instead of map making skill, be "How difficult do you want your helpful advice to be?" or soemthing like that. And make the choices like "Easiest way, Intermediate way, Difficult way, Uberest way." Because not all "Uber" people would always want "Uber" ways of fixing their maps. Some beginners also would want "uber" advise on fixing things so then they can actually learn new things in the meanwhile!
They're too busy with that stuff i think. Yoshi and IP already have their hands full with programming and site management, the other staff/mods are just watching over the site's files and stuff as well as forums as well. Everyone's busy; giving people "uber" skill thing is probably a very low priority on their long list of chores.
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Well if so, then try this thing where i mentioned in some other thread. Make it instead of map making skill, be "How difficult do you want your helpful advice to be?" or soemthing like that. And make the choices like "Easiest way, Intermediate way, Difficult way, Uberest way." Because not all "Uber" people would always want "Uber" ways of fixing their maps. Some beginners also would want "uber" advise on fixing things so then they can actually learn new things in the meanwhile!
They're too busy with that stuff i think. Yoshi and IP already have their hands full with programming and site management, the other staff/mods are just watching over the site's files and stuff as well as forums as well. Everyone's busy; giving people "uber" skill thing is probably a very low priority on their long list of chores.
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That gives me an idea. How about instead of rating the mapmaker you let the trhead creator rate the thread. Depending on if they need Advanced help, Average help or Beginner help. With a default of average. Then they wouldn't be saying what skill level they are they would only be indicating the level of help they need on the subject.
Although like the current system it might be hard to get people to use it correctly, or to understand its purpose.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AqoTrooper on 2005-02-05 at 15:45:45
Why making it so complicated? can't you just remove the skill levels and that's it?
Instead of skill levels put a "Maps released: x" and "map release average score: x" - that sums it all up, it'll be automatic, simple and no one would argue about it.
Instead of skill levels put a "Maps released: x" and "map release average score: x" - that sums it all up, it'll be automatic, simple and no one would argue about it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-02-05 at 17:13:39
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I've known that for a long time. You have actully gotten better though. Honestly you were calling yourself advanced long before I considered you to be. Even now it seems most of your knowleage is a result of read and puke.
As I relaized there was more to mapping I expanded, so I always thought I was advanced. Then I'd realize "here's some more stuff", maybe I'm not advanced. Then I'd learn the new stuff and go on. The reading is partly true, I lack some of the initiative to make maps
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2005-02-05 at 17:16:59
*Sigh*
I try not to complain/brag and all that.
But I consider myself "Über" and so do all my beta-tester friends.
I try not to complain/brag and all that.
But I consider myself "Über" and so do all my beta-tester friends
.Report, edit, etc...Posted by LordVodka on 2005-02-06 at 02:13:40
Wow, you all made some interesting points.
Yoshi, whenever you get the time to, please do change the rating system to your idea. It sounds like it may work a little better.
Also, every system has its flaws, so dont ever expect any of the things on this site or any other site to be absolutly perfected.
Its the same with maps.
P.S. Holy
! I am so surprised that this question of mine attracted so much attention!
Yoshi, whenever you get the time to, please do change the rating system to your idea. It sounds like it may work a little better.
Also, every system has its flaws, so dont ever expect any of the things on this site or any other site to be absolutly perfected.
Its the same with maps.
P.S. Holy
! I am so surprised that this question of mine attracted so much attention!Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-02-06 at 02:29:22
QUOTE(RexyRex @ Feb 5 2005, 04:16 PM)
*Sigh*
I try not to complain/brag and all that.
But I consider myself "Über" and so do all my beta-tester friends.
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I haven't noticed you do anything that makes you Uber, Not by my standards though.
But what I consider Uber is very high. Proboly higher than most people veiw it.
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P.S. Holy ! I am so surprised that this question of mine attracted so much attention!
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It always does.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-02-06 at 02:45:03
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I haven't noticed you do anything that makes you Uber, Not by my standards though.
But what I consider Uber is very high. Proboly higher than most people veiw it.
But what I consider Uber is very high. Proboly higher than most people veiw it.
Me too. I share your views
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AqoTrooper on 2005-02-06 at 08:10:33
QUOTE(LordVodka @ Feb 6 2005, 10:13 AM)
Also, every system has its flaws, so dont ever expect any of the things on this site or any other site to be absolutly perfected.
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uh uh, read my last post, whay flaws can be in that idea?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LordVodka on 2005-02-06 at 23:53:35
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QUOTE(LordVodka @ Feb 6 2005, 10:13 AM)
Also, every system has its flaws, so dont ever expect any of the things on this site or any other site to be absolutly perfected.
uh uh, read my last post, whay flaws can be in that idea?
Also, every system has its flaws, so dont ever expect any of the things on this site or any other site to be absolutly perfected.
uh uh, read my last post, whay flaws can be in that idea?
simple, that plan only measures how many maps you create and submit. If its all automatic, then i could just make a bunch of idiotic maps with nothing about it and get Uber status simply for making simple maps. I think it should be measured upon a few things.
1-Complexity of Terrain in maps
2-Complexity of Triggers in maps
3-Forum Participation
4-(and for those of you who dont follow rules around here) Warning Level
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AqoTrooper on 2005-02-07 at 07:09:45
QUOTE(LordVodka @ Feb 7 2005, 07:53 AM)
simple, that plan only measures how many maps you create and submit. If its all automatic, then i could just make a bunch of idiotic maps with nothing about it and get Uber status simply for making simple maps. I think it should be measured upon a few things.
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Maybe you didn't know, but there are people (admins&mods) who check the maps that get to the DLDB and only put it there if it's not rigged or stupid.
If you post many idiotic maps you'd just get your warn level up.
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1-Complexity of Terrain in maps
2-Complexity of Triggers in maps
3-Forum Participation
4-(and for those of you who dont follow rules around here) Warning Level
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2-Complexity of Triggers in maps
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Well, someone will have to check those things right?
Note that there are hounderads of members in SEN and new ones join every day, who's gonna look for everyones maps and rate them on a daily base!?!!?
Also, what does forum participation got to do with map making skill? you can never post in SEN and still be a great map maker (tho if you're a great map maker you'd probably hear of SEN and come to post).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-02-07 at 17:25:22
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It would seem to me that the Uber status is based upon people w/ Mod status approval.
Don't worry, SEN isn't a place where Mods are biased brainless burping bums (hmm... there're another two b-words too!) who abuse their powers ad nauseum. Besides that, there are very few people who deserve it anyway, and if you browse the DL Database a bit, you'll know who they are.
EDIT: Changed "there's" to "there're". Most people including me at most occasions don't notice it. Oh well.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheOddAngel on 2005-02-07 at 17:31:22
Personaly the voting system wont work... Because i've never created a map doesn't mean I'm not advanced... I can do all the trigger's and know them all. Ocasionaly I forget some of the tricks but still... Ive never done a map and so I have nothing to show... yet...