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Staredit Network -> Melee Production & Showcase -> Tenango a different kind of melee map
Report, edit, etc...Posted by bajadulce on 2005-03-25 at 16:55:42
This map “Tenango” is different than most melee maps as it was designed to give custom Ai’s the best possible environment while still providing enough stimulation for human play. Here is the map in its final form. It is based on the pro map Luna.

Fire up an advanced Ai such as this one if you want to play a challenging “human-like” opponent but can’t find anyone to play.
Attached File BlizzHard.zip ( 224.49k ) Number of downloads: 33
Note: this file is for your PRIVATE use, Neither Blizzard nor SEN support mods.

Here is the picture of a feature of this mod that caused uproar.
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http://img40.exs.cx/img40/9573/multiplayer4cq.gif


I hope you have some fun games on this map with or without the advanced Ai.
A new challenge has been started using this map with the Advanced Ai. Details begin post #6.


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Attached File _4__Tenango_Ai.scx ( 81.58k ) Number of downloads: 36



NOTE: PLEASE READ TO VIEW REPLAYS CORRECTLY!
Because replays involving computers are in essence “blank” (only human inputs are actually recorded), they play out according to the Ai that is running.
This means that if you record a replay using one Ai and then watch it using another, you will be watching a different replay!
... In simple terms if you download these replays but don't watch them with the mod, you are not watching the actual replays.
post your replay or send via email.


Note: The point of this challenge is to IMPRESS w/ your skillz. While a big score is an added bonus, it is only a non-subjective way to rate these replays.
I don't want to have to "judge" them! A higher score does not necessarily mean a better game!

Updated results:April 19th.
********** HALL OF FAME ************
TvT:
1. Racine 3336 Attached File Racine_TvT_3256.rep ( 97.63k ) Number of downloads: 12
^guess Ai could use some goliaths lol!
2. E)s-Fury 2505 Attached File tvtai.rep ( 85.27k ) Number of downloads: 10
^this is how you contain. Sometimes the Ai makes battlecruisers sometimes they don't. Nice nukes!
3. bajadulce 1508Attached File bajadulce_1508.rep ( 87.54k ) Number of downloads: 18
^wow is that APM actually over 100 lol!



TvP:
1.Racine 1554Attached File Racine_TvP_1554.rep ( 108.69k ) Number of downloads: 7
^Psi-storm alert. Nice fight!



TvZ:
1.Racine 2777Attached File Racine_TvZ_2777.rep ( 89.99k ) Number of downloads: 7
^ Nice rush! How did you get back to protect your base so fast?
2. E)s-Fury 1906Attached File tvzai.rep ( 89.68k ) Number of downloads: 2
^How to beat a cheating comp 101. 1.contain/block 2. defend block 3.TAKE OVER REST OF MAP!

PvT:
1. Racine 3141 Attached File Racine_PvT_3141.rep ( 91.92k ) Number of downloads: 4
^I like the way you lure tanks to siege-mode. I'll be sure to use lots of spider mines if I ever play you!
2. E)s-Fury 1350 Attached File pvtai.rep ( 96.28k ) Number of downloads: 5
^Max Scout ownage! Hey where did all these goliaths come from? Guess we're playing for keeps now! Love the Hallucinations!

PvP:
1.Racine 2406 Attached File Racine_PvP_2406.rep ( 90.02k ) Number of downloads: 3
^thnx gg, nr!
2.E)s-Fury 2029Attached File pvpai.rep ( 85.2k ) Number of downloads: 2
^Very Entertaining! The Reaver vs Reaver battle @ around 22:30 is really fun to watch!

PvZ:
1.Racine 2425 Attached File Racine_PvZ_2425.rep ( 91.48k ) Number of downloads: 5
^WOW this game is INTENSE! hard to believe this is a human vs comp game. The creator almost met his match! biggrin.gif Nice early cannon placement by the way!
2.bajadulce 2308 Attached File Max_Cheez.rep ( 78.81k ) Number of downloads: 3
^Max Cheez or just Gosu micro? LOL, all comments welcome!


ZvT:
1.E)s-Fury 2267 Attached File zvtai.rep ( 92.08k ) Number of downloads: 5
^Our first Zerg contestant! Guess terran Ai could use some sci-Vessels! Your final attack is impressive! Keep going with rest of challenge! We want to see MORE! w00t.gif
2.Racine 2038 Attached File Racine_ZvT_2038.rep ( 91.65k ) Number of downloads: 2
^Is this the same Ai? lol! You've disgraced my terran Ai to look like a 5yr old... thnx a lot.


ZvP:
1.Racine 1989 Attached File Racine_ZvP_1989.rep ( 92k ) Number of downloads: 2
^All Zerglings Unite! This is how to outmacro a cheating comp!
2.E)s-Fury 1801 Attached File zvpai.rep ( 87.88k ) Number of downloads: 2
^That's a lot of Ultralisks! Especially without cheating!

ZvZ:
1.E)s-Fury 2548 Attached File zvzai.rep ( 85.48k ) Number of downloads: 2
^Mass hydra assault! Lurkers + spore colonies = gg, No chance.
2.Racine 2317 Attached File Racine_ZvZ_2317.rep ( 85.02k ) Number of downloads: 3
^Holly Crap! I'm not even going to attempt this matchup! If you like Zerg, DON"T MISS THE CHANCE TO PLAY THIS MATCHUP!


Even if you can't beat the comp... There's still a place for you!

******* HALL OF THE BRAVE: ********
Yenku and PsychoTemplar (Team Melee)
^Team melee with this Ai? Now that's tuff!
bajadulce TvT Attached File ______comp2.rep ( 107.04k ) Number of downloads: 4
^You know you've lost when after 1 hour of TvT your only hope is 0-0 Marines?
Cheeze TvPAttached File tought_computer___.rep ( 100.58k ) Number of downloads: 3
^I wish my "wins" could look this good. A must see replay. Thnx for playing!
"Azzbad" replays on other SEN member's "badazz" maps Attached File Melee_forum_replays.zip ( 303.45k ) Number of downloads: 2
^Watch Ai rip this clown to shreds as he trys to tackle some other member's maps. (7 replays 3 win/4 embarrasments)
Racine ZvP Attached File Racine_ZvP_Lose.rep ( 86.52k ) Number of downloads: 2
^The cat finally caught the mouse! note the absence of lurkers. If you play Racine 1v1, I doubt he will "toy" w/ you as he does here.
E)s-Fury TvZAttached File tvzlose.rep ( 86.6k ) Number of downloads: 4
^How to beat a Human 101. A how-to for Ai's. 1.contain 2.take over rest of map 3.CHEAT!!!
E)s-Fury PvZAttached File pvzloss.rep ( 84.3k ) Number of downloads: 3
^There are 3 random Zerg scripts: 1.Mass ling/hydra 2.Ling/Muta harass 3.Then there's one Defiler/Ultralisk/Crackling INJUSTICE!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-03-25 at 18:07:41
Updated: (last post had bad info).
This AI is amazing, good job and good job to the map too!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Fortune on 2005-03-25 at 18:15:41
Medics are very beneficial to the Terran race while in battle, especially if they're numerous. They can be quite the "pain in the ass," sort of speak. That would make for a considerable difference in the map's gameplay.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-03-25 at 18:34:11
The thing is, they got trapped begind my units which were melee units and didnt heal crap.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by bajadulce on 2005-03-26 at 02:13:05
thnx Yenku for download and giving Ai a try.

Here is the original WGTour Luna if anyone is interested in looking at the theme I based map on
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March 26th: CRAP! I actually just tested the Ai and it was in fact just plain old Blizzard Normal. I screwed up big time! Major embarrasment on my part and I apologize for wasting your time. I have since updated and double checked file as it is the correct one now.

Please give it a second chance.... the difference will be night and day!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-03-26 at 08:47:47
LOL!!! They had tanks pumping out when i had 2 tanks with seige when they started attacking with like 20! They had like 45 factories in like 2 minutes... The difference is more than night and day. I dont know if its possible to beat them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by bajadulce on 2005-03-26 at 19:12:59
Hehe 45 factories? maybe more like 5 or 6!

Mostly because I build/test vs other Ai's, and don't actually play them, they can sometimes get a little too hard/unbelievable.

I haven't played TvsT w/ this Ai in a long time so I played 2 quick games as per your request. The first game i was smoked because I tried some gay strat and I'd be too embarrased to post the replay for public ridicule!!!. blushing.gif This second replay however does show that the comp is beatable. Unfortunately I screwed up by not getting enuf anti-air quick enuf. I'm going to post this just so you can get a laugh out of my loss anyways. Please go easy on me as I am an old man as far as Starcraft goes. I'll try again later tonight and post another one... hopefully a win!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by bajadulce on 2005-03-27 at 03:25:01
CONTEST RULES:
HERE"S YOUR CHANCE TO SHOW OFF HOW MUCH OF A BADASS YOU ARE!


1. a point system can be used to rate replays.
score = 1000 * final score/comp score * sqrt(30/time) based on M_K's Ai rating system

from victory screen:
final score = your overall score from overview tab
comp score = computer's overall score
time = total game time rounded to nearest minute i.e. 25 min 31sec = 26min

2. You have to play this topic's map (this way point system is fair) any start location. Though any map will work w/mod.
3. Obviously no cheats.
4. No messing with computer's workers i.e. leading them off production line... you know what I mean. Scouting is totally legit.
5. Obviously you have to have won!

here's an example of how to calculate.
time 32:27 ------> rounded to 32min.
overview total score = 166891
computer score = 107161
score = 1000 * 166891/107161 * sqrt(30/32) = 1507.9
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-03-28 at 20:03:03
Is this a comp with modified stats, or just improved ai?

I may try it out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-03-28 at 20:07:25
recomended Ihatett, its damn hard to beat. lol PyschoTemplar and i stayed up to 3:30 easter morning trying to beat it on team melee, lol, what a disgrace i found myself to be.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-03-28 at 20:08:35
Does it actually build/mine faster?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by bajadulce on 2005-03-28 at 20:20:39
Just improved ai script. Does the computer still cheat? Yes, it recieves 2000 gas and 2000 minerals in a timed loop identical to Blizzard's insane Ai. This is needed otherwise it will not be much of a challenge. The early stages of game are a little unbalanced in computer's favor, but soon the extra $$$ should not be an issue. Yes, plz try it out. A fun way to kill a few minutes here and there!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by E)s-Fury on 2005-03-30 at 19:44:14
Yeah that is one hella fast AI..
My rep is TvT.. The only problem with this AI is it still runs suicidally into fire. I don't know quite how your score thing works but I'll post the stats:

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time 24:58------> rounded to 25min.
overview total score = 188811
computer score = 82578
score = 1000 * 188811/82578 * sqrt(?/?) = ??

NOTE: Replay only works with the mod version of SC that has the AI.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by bajadulce on 2005-03-30 at 23:03:46
Wow! That's how you make an Ai look easy to beat! You really contained them well! 2 ebay floats, nukes/bc's/sci-vessels... You definitely are a badazz! Thnx for giving Ai a try.


QUOTE
I don't know quite how your score thing works but I'll post the stats:

Ahh that's because I screwed up w/ my poor example! I meant to write sqrt(30/32) instead of (32/30). I've corrected it since. The formula uses 30 minutes as a base time. You are rewarded for finishing faster. so in your example:

score = 1000 * 188811/82578 * sqrt(30/25) = 2505.

Sweet I'll post your name in the #1 spot!
Try another different matchup?


QUOTE
The only problem with this AI is it still runs suicidally into fire
Ya there's really no fixing that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Racine_ on 2005-03-30 at 23:37:58
Hi, I made the challenge. I played TvT, TvP and TvZ. Here are my replays and ratings (shown in the replay name). View in the next 3 posts.

I encourage everybody to participate, it is so much fun!!

w00t.gif

ADDITION:
TvT
wink.gif

ADDITION:
TvP
wink.gif

ADDITION:
TvZ
w00t.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Racine_ on 2005-03-31 at 13:28:06
Wow, nice game Fury. Your play is amazing : ) It was fun to see Steve die too happy.gif And he took revenge in second games : )
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-03-31 at 13:39:30
The reason Pyscho and i did so poorly most of the time was, team melee ( we shared units, and i screwed up multiple times). And we were playing zerg comp, which got lurks very fast.

I am going to try again when i get home though..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-03-31 at 17:35:10
Ok here, This is really funny, its on dire straits i thought the comp would have a hard time on it, but not that bad!! XD

ZvT i won and yet i completely sucked.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by E)s-Fury on 2005-03-31 at 17:52:47
The Terran AI is definatley a fastest player lol. Just makes a lot of one unit and sends it at you. Someone has really gotta teach me how to make AI's, I'm sure I could make some good ones. Anyways here are replays, GoGo Scouts. I guess it's on to playing against the Protoss.

PS I still don't get your scoring.. Sorry..

PvT:[attachmentid=7141]
time 48:02------> rounded to 48min.
overview total score = 374368
computer score = 219149
score = 1000 * 374368/219149 * sqrt(48/30) = ??


ZvT:[attachmentid=7138]
time 29:00------> rounded to 29min.
overview total score = 208341
computer score = 98727
score = 1000 * 208341/98727 * sqrt(29/30) = ??

PPS For the Zerg I had to use Black Sheep Wall at the very end to find the last building.. I swear I searched everywhere..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-03-31 at 19:38:19
Wow, I just played a game. I got owned so badly hahaha. sad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-03-31 at 20:03:15
Nice job fury, your pretty good.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Racine_ on 2005-03-31 at 22:18:58
Heh, the scoring calcul is very easy. See for exemple :

I played a game. My total score was 120 000. The total score of computer was 80 000. The game lasted 23 minutes and 18 seconds (23:18).

MYSCORE = 120 000
AISCORE = 80 000
TIME = 23

My rating then is :

RATING = ( (1000)*(MYSCORE )/(AISCORE ) )*sqrt(30/TIME) ;

RATING = ( (1000)*(120 000)/(80 000) )*sqrt(30/23) = 1713.13 ;

TIME was rounded to 23 because the seconds were not more than 30. If it would have had taken 23 min and 34 seconds, TIME would equal 24.

SQRT is the square radical (square root of) :

sqrt(9) = 3 ;
sqrt(16) = 4 ;
sqrt(25) = 5 ;
sqrt(30/23) = sqrt(1.3043) = 1.1421 ;

ADDITION:
I just played the Protoss matchups. In the PvZ, I had to play a second game because the zerg got stuck in middle game. I did not use any air units in all games.

Good Luck to You !!

: )

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-03-31 at 23:58:19
wow, i like this map, but it seems to give a slight advantage to terran, but nothing huge, i guess i just exploited that
Report, edit, etc...Posted by bajadulce on 2005-04-01 at 01:01:10
Nice replays Fury! Keep playing!

**** a couple quick things.
1. Racine and I really really appreciate your participation. This really helps write better future Ai's.
2. The terran Ai is very primitave and is kind of an experiment. It was written very quickly in one evening. This is it's first "human" testing.
3. Looks like the Terran anti-air is coming way too late and so is a major weakness.
4. Terran has no Island block. Try Yenku's nice island map Kakaru Paradise-Perfect against zerg if you want a tuff challenge on a well made map. wink.gif

Is it just me, or is anybody losing any games?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Racine_ on 2005-04-01 at 09:00:16
Wow nice cheeze tactic Stece ^_^ If only the AI could wait for force to take out this block : ) Also, how can you make a so nice in-game menu? It is very simple and practical. I always wanted to make menus like that for my installers. If I would have known you before, I would certainly have asked you to make all of my installers.

THis morning I will play the zerg. I believe Zerg vs Zerg I will have many troubles... as well as ZvT if I plan not to use lurkers.
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