Report, edit, etc...Posted by Entropy on 2005-04-16 at 19:57:42
MapDori.com
A new Korean Melee Map making community.
They are the elite of the Korean Map Making community. I thought it best to introduce them to SEN.
I can except some awsome synergism between our two sites.
The language barrier will of course hinder this, but at the same time it keeps both sites isolated when it comes to site competition.
You will find many SEN works and ideas at their site, and at the same time you will find some of their ideas here too.
A clear example of shared concepts:
Shared Concepts
And this is what I mean by "elite"
Elite Articles
Articles about Pro-Maps and Maps only. You will find the article and a picture of each map in most articles. Most of them are quality posts.
The Expert Articles
It is a pity its all in Korean. Fortunately map makers have one common language: Show me the Map!
It is already rumored that three of their maps are being beta-tested for WCG 2005.
You can check them and download them at Pgtour.net News
Now the question is, can we do better? Oh well, we can always hope. One thing for sure many of the creative ideas in map making originate outside Korean and then after get perfect there. As for the pure map making techniques like the special ramp see in the above link - most of those originate from SEN map makers
A new Korean Melee Map making community.
They are the elite of the Korean Map Making community. I thought it best to introduce them to SEN.
I can except some awsome synergism between our two sites.
The language barrier will of course hinder this, but at the same time it keeps both sites isolated when it comes to site competition.
You will find many SEN works and ideas at their site, and at the same time you will find some of their ideas here too.
A clear example of shared concepts:
Shared Concepts
And this is what I mean by "elite"
Elite Articles
Articles about Pro-Maps and Maps only. You will find the article and a picture of each map in most articles. Most of them are quality posts.
The Expert Articles
It is a pity its all in Korean. Fortunately map makers have one common language: Show me the Map!
It is already rumored that three of their maps are being beta-tested for WCG 2005.
You can check them and download them at Pgtour.net News
Now the question is, can we do better? Oh well, we can always hope. One thing for sure many of the creative ideas in map making originate outside Korean and then after get perfect there. As for the pure map making techniques like the special ramp see in the above link - most of those originate from SEN map makers
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-04-16 at 20:08:27
The question should be, can we ever beat the Koreans at SC fanatacism?
The answer: Nope.
Those melee maps there look godly!!
The answer: Nope.
Those melee maps there look godly!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-04-16 at 20:12:01
Pretty awesome. They are t3h r0x0rz of meleeish things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-04-16 at 20:17:10
They're Korean, it's in their blood to pwn at SC 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-04-16 at 21:00:41
Thats not the only korean mapping site out there. Theres also http://www.mapside.net
(I only know that they're linking to files because they're generating referer logs).
I'm glad to see that languages cannot stop the spread of new concepts.
(I only know that they're linking to files because they're generating referer logs).
I'm glad to see that languages cannot stop the spread of new concepts.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2005-04-16 at 21:26:43
WOW, I'm famous even between pro gamers:
I'm just wondering where did they get that idea from. Maybe from unproedit?
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They are unfortunately locked, so it is impossible to open them in the campaign editor unless you use a hex editor to edit the map code (just ask Clokr at Staredit.net and he will open it for you if you are truly interested).
I'm just wondering where did they get that idea from. Maybe from unproedit?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2005-04-16 at 22:32:25
Pretty interesting stuff.
Anyone know of a translator?
Anyone know of a translator?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2005-04-16 at 22:40:41
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-04-16 at 22:42:17
it doesnt work well.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Carlsagan43 on 2005-04-16 at 22:47:51
Why the 
do we care about the korean map making team elite. We are elite UMS in the US. In Korea they can be elite Melee. We don't need to mix. Unless they plan to make UMS there is no real challenge and we should remain unaffiliated with them.
do we care about the korean map making team elite. We are elite UMS in the US. In Korea they can be elite Melee. We don't need to mix. Unless they plan to make UMS there is no real challenge and we should remain unaffiliated with them.Report, edit, etc...Posted by FaZ- on 2005-04-16 at 22:53:33
QUOTE(carlsagan43 @ Apr 16 2005, 09:47 PM)
Why the do we care about the korean map making team elite. We are elite UMS in the US. In Korea they can be elite Melee. We don't need to mix. Unless they plan to make UMS there is no real challenge and we should remain unaffiliated with them.
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do we care about the korean map making team elite. We are elite UMS in the US. In Korea they can be elite Melee. We don't need to mix. Unless they plan to make UMS there is no real challenge and we should remain unaffiliated with them.[right][snapback]189791[/snapback][/right]
Some of us in the United States like a thinking game every once in a while too. I prefer UMS as well, but still like to melee often. You should respect the best regardless, and not boast of yourself as part of the "best ums" when you haven't contributed to the community like other members here.
Regardless, Entropy is much more interested in melee, which is why he made this post about it.
I noticed that in multiple korean maps extended terrain was used. No backwards ramps yet, but still that is quite a jump that they have learned how to use programs like SF and SCMDraft. I wonder which editor Rose.Of.Dream prefers.... hmm...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by pekkel_the_duck on 2005-04-16 at 23:10:59
In a interview, Rose.Of.Dream says he uses the editor that came with SC. 
That's pretty cool.
And do you mean they take some of our maps and post them there? Cause that would be cool but at the same time stealing?
That's pretty cool.
And do you mean they take some of our maps and post them there? Cause that would be cool but at the same time stealing?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-04-16 at 23:38:38
QUOTE(pekkel_the_duck @ Apr 16 2005, 11:10 PM)
In a interview, Rose.Of.Dream says he uses the editor that came with SC.
That's pretty cool.
And do you mean they take some of our maps and post them there? Cause that would be cool but at the same time stealing?
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That's pretty cool.
And do you mean they take some of our maps and post them there? Cause that would be cool but at the same time stealing?
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How did he get different player colors then in Nostalgia
Report, edit, etc...Posted by pekkel_the_duck on 2005-04-17 at 00:54:46
Well, mostly StarEditor I guess...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Puni(F) on 2005-04-17 at 01:41:47
Thats a pretty cool site, But the only problem with it is that its in korean, Even though some text isnt, 80% korean... and 10% eng;ish 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-04-17 at 02:54:56
QUOTE(FaZ- @ Apr 16 2005, 09:53 PM)
I noticed that in multiple korean maps extended terrain was used. No backwards ramps yet, but still that is quite a jump that they have learned how to use programs like SF and SCMDraft. I wonder which editor Rose.Of.Dream prefers.... hmm...
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All thats quite possalbe without SCM draft 2 or starforge. I was doing "extended terrain" with GUedit and SCMdraft 1
Do they have a special korrean editor? Do they use Starforge and or SCMDraft who knows for sure?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Carlsagan43 on 2005-04-17 at 03:17:43
better yet, who cares for sure? WHy the hell is this forum sagging down to the melee maps of other countries for news? How can you even be elite in making melee? You just describing an area where a small battle is to occur. In UMS, however, you can far surpass anything made in melee. Eventually there isn't anyhting more you can do with melee. UMS will keep going.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-04-17 at 03:49:30
As much as i agree with your carl, i don't.
Yes I feel making melee maps requires no where near the skills it does to make a good UMS map but that doesn't mean we should ignore them or look down on them. This is a mapmaking site not just a UMS mapmaking site so it very well deserves to be in the news. If you don't like it you can just look somewhere else.
The eliteness in Melee mapmaking relies almost solely on creativity in my opinion. and the ability to make a visually appealing map. Of course we can have all the melee fans talk about how differant types of maps allow for differant stadagys of game play and create differant styles of games all together but thats not my zone.
Try being a little more open towards other peoples interest and don't scold them for being differant than yourself. I don't know entropy very well but i'm almost positive if he spent even half the time on UMS maps as most of us has he would be one of the best UMS mapmakers here.
Yes I feel making melee maps requires no where near the skills it does to make a good UMS map but that doesn't mean we should ignore them or look down on them. This is a mapmaking site not just a UMS mapmaking site so it very well deserves to be in the news. If you don't like it you can just look somewhere else.
The eliteness in Melee mapmaking relies almost solely on creativity in my opinion. and the ability to make a visually appealing map. Of course we can have all the melee fans talk about how differant types of maps allow for differant stadagys of game play and create differant styles of games all together but thats not my zone.
Try being a little more open towards other peoples interest and don't scold them for being differant than yourself. I don't know entropy very well but i'm almost positive if he spent even half the time on UMS maps as most of us has he would be one of the best UMS mapmakers here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-04-17 at 05:53:53
Actually I know they do have one editor thats just like Starfroge/SCMDraft 2 ... if I could find the map I could tell you which editor that is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by sckor on 2005-04-17 at 06:48:49
I'll gladly translate that page for you. (I'm Korean).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TSoldier_Wol[f] on 2005-04-17 at 08:12:26
We can't just give up just like that. We should make some Melee maps that are better. Sure we are good at UMS but, lets be good at Melee as well too. Think about it. Us elite at making UMS and Melee games.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SI on 2005-04-17 at 08:17:35
I know mapside sends alot of hits towards scmdraft and SCXE downloads, I dont know exactly how popular these are in korea tho.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AkkiBifuu on 2005-04-17 at 10:30:16
QUOTE(Puni @ Apr 17 2005, 01:41 AM)
Thats a pretty cool site, But the only problem with it is that its in korean, Even though some text isnt, 80% korean... and 10% eng;ish
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hehe 80 + 10 == 100 =P suprised no one caught that
But Carl your got issues, i know this is my 1st post here but i can already tell with ppl like you here im suprised theres many ppl at this site... but im sure alot are nicer then you are.. this is a map making site not a pure ums since there is a melee forum so please if u want pure UMS make your own site and hope it get alot of people cuz im not going i like both melee and ums although i suck at melle alot but still dont take it out on the korean's for being a better mapper then you =P got it?
but any ways Nice find im ganna have to get one of my Korean buddies to translate for me =D
Report, edit, etc...Posted by sarami on 2005-04-17 at 10:54:12
QUOTE(SI @ Apr 17 2005, 09:17 PM)
I know mapside sends alot of hits towards scmdraft and SCXE downloads, I dont know exactly how popular these are in korea tho.[right][snapback]190014[/snapback][/right]
pretty popular. but i don't like anomic mapside that much..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FaZ- on 2005-04-17 at 12:16:08
QUOTE(sckor @ Apr 17 2005, 05:48 AM)
I'll gladly translate that page for you. (I'm Korean).
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Sckor if you would that would be great, but to keep things simple for you could you just translate the description of the twilight map with the huge bridge? I want to see if he mentions anything about it.
The name of the map is: "Paranoid Android_Beta"