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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-04-30 at 16:53:25
MindArchon has created a program to view the triggers of map, regardless of protection. This means you can view how certain things are triggered on a map for your own learning purposes. There is no saving or modifying of the map within this program, so we support it all the way!

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A random map maker will ask: OMG YOSHI! HOW COULD YOU BETRAY THE COMMUNITY AND ALLOW SUCH A STEALING PROGRAM ON YOUR SITE!!1oneo1!!!???

The fact is. This program is benifical to everyone. Mindarchon didn't add the save option in respect for the map makers (or else we would not be hosting it).

Additionally, some people who ask for unprotectors sometimes state for the reason of "Learning how the map works". Now they have even less of an excuse to do so, with this new program.

If you still claim that viewing how you made a map could be considered as stealing, I say, if there are people out there who really want to try to learn that way, let them try then. Map unprotecting is only unwanted because some people end up abusing it and throwing their name on the map, or rigging the map to make it what they want, apposed to the map makers orginal intentions (if people want rigged maps, go make your own tongue.gif)

Besides, if you really want orginal credits for making up a concept, if you checked out the Basic Help topic, you'll notice I listed the most flawless protection ever which no such map stealers can ever break (in theory of course), is quoted as:
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The best protection that never fails, is submit your map to several sites that host maps, such as ourselves, starcraft.org and so on. This way, you can at least insure that the websites have the unrigged versions with your name on your own creation. If people ever search for your map, this will be what they download. If you want to be known for your map making skills, map making communities is the best place to go. Normal Battle.net users don't care about peoples accomplishments as much as other map makers.
So please, there is absolutely nothing to complain about. I personally ban map makers who open maps to steal them and try to submit them to this website. I'm sure other sites will show you the same respect if you ask their webmasters nicely.

UPDATE: There has been heated discussion, some disagreement, and even some debating. So far, by the looks of most of the community sites and replies I've been reading, about 95% of the starcraft community is in favour of a trigger viewer which has absolutely no save ability. The other 5% are either indifferent or think its not a good idea. Please post in the comments, and give us feedback what you think about this. It may influence the decision of having further versions, possibily more advanced to display other things, hosted on Staredit Network in the future. Heres my main points that support the program, which can be found here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-04-30 at 17:01:12
This program is awesome, it's the best thing a starting out map maker can have. I'm going to stick this in my signature to help spread it around.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Revelade on 2005-04-30 at 17:09:10
OMG YOSHI! HOW COULD YOU BETRAY THE COMMUNITY AND ALLOW SUCH A STEALING PROGRAM ON YOUR SITE!!1oneo1!!!???

Sounds good to meh. mellow.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KaboomHahahein on 2005-04-30 at 17:21:25
Good job with the program MindArchon.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-04-30 at 17:25:17
uberwoot.gif This is a newbie map maker's dream come true. I learned mapping in the beginning from looking at other maps, and realizing what certain conditions could do.

And the removal of a save feature allows protection to still do its job. Sweet!

GJ on the program MindArchon.


EDIT: Unfortunately, the removal of the switch/unit names leads to some confusion... but, still, great program!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-04-30 at 17:36:30
QUOTE(Voyager7456. @ Apr 30 2005, 05:25 PM)
EDIT: Unfortunately, the removal of the switch/unit names leads to some confusion... but, still, great program!
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Thats done by protectors, because they take up unnecessary space.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-04-30 at 17:43:22
QUOTE(Yoshi da Sniper @ Apr 30 2005, 03:36 PM)
Thats done by protectors, because they take up unnecessary space.
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I'm not sure... my map isn't protected, and when I loaded it up, the switch names / unit names were not displayed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-04-30 at 17:46:21
Too bad it displays triggers like starforge does: use trigger comments

Cuz many maps im trying to look at dont use em (or had em reset)

but cool neways

EDIT: Wait nvm
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-04-30 at 17:52:03
QUOTE(Voyager7456. @ Apr 30 2005, 05:43 PM)
I'm not sure... my map isn't protected, and when I loaded it up, the switch names / unit names were not displayed.
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Oh well. Give Mindarchon a pat on the back and he'll keep appending to the program im sure wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-04-30 at 17:54:27
OMG YOSHI! HOW COULD YOU BETRAY THE COMMUNITY AND ALLOW SUCH A STEALING PROGRAM ON YOUR SITE!!1oneo1!!!???
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-04-30 at 17:55:41
Okay, please dont start angry.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by swat on 2005-04-30 at 18:42:53
yahoo.gif kicking.gif sweet ty very much this helps tons cuz i need to figure how some of the triggers work thumbup.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Puni(F) on 2005-04-30 at 18:48:11
Wow, Awesome, Now I don't have to unprotect maps to just look at the triggers now:)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by scwizard on 2005-04-30 at 19:17:07
clapping.gif holiday.gif kicking.gif rockon.gif uberwoot.gif yahoo.gif thumbup.gif This program will make it so the map making assistance forum gets much less traffic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-04-30 at 19:25:13
Godly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-04-30 at 19:25:56
I personally wouldn't have my fingers crossed. You cannot learn programming by just staring at code... you have to know what it does as well. If you do not know how to use the triggers, you'll still need assistance wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-04-30 at 19:32:57
I dont know Yoshi, I learn a lot of programming by looking at others' code. But then again I'm a pretty fast learner.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by scwizard on 2005-04-30 at 19:33:09
Well of course, but there are a lot of questions like:
"How did X do that? I would look at his map to find out, but it's protected sad.gif"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by sckor on 2005-04-30 at 19:34:19
Sweet!

first map to open... w00t.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2005-04-30 at 19:35:54
OMG YOSHI! HOW COULD YOU BETRAY PROEDIT AND ALLOW SUCH A STEALING PROGRAM ON YOUR SITE!!1oneo1!!!???
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-04-30 at 19:37:47
QUOTE(chuiu_os @ Apr 30 2005, 07:32 PM)
I dont know Yoshi, I learn a lot of programming by looking at others' code.  But then again I'm a pretty fast learner.
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Still. You can't learn a language by looking at code... you have to figure out what syntax does what and why...


QUOTE(Clokr_ @ Apr 30 2005, 07:35 PM)
OMG YOSHI! HOW COULD YOU BETRAY PROEDIT AND ALLOW SUCH A STEALING PROGRAM ON YOUR SITE!!1oneo1!!!???
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Oh shut up bangin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2005-04-30 at 20:10:12
QUOTE(Clokr_ @ Apr 30 2005, 07:35 PM)
OMG YOSHI! HOW COULD YOU BETRAY PROEDIT AND ALLOW SUCH A STEALING PROGRAM ON YOUR SITE!!1oneo1!!!???
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It does uBeR@TiOn as well tongue.gif

I personally support it too happy.gif
Well done MindArchon. The only problem is all the comments are messed up so it is best if you use the Ignore Comments option.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Carlsagan43 on 2005-04-30 at 20:34:56
Cool. Any place to add suggestions for future version?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-04-30 at 20:57:58
I would PM him or place them here. PM preferably.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by scwizard on 2005-04-30 at 21:23:55
doesnt displaay comments correctly
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