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That's what I meant by "delete": take out of the .chk.

SCMD2 is good for anything not having to do with mission briefings (and CUWP slots and the misc. trigger stuff). Many people like TrigEdit; I don't. I like GUI triggers (what Classic TrigEdit does). As for the "every feature" comment, it has the most features out of any editor (exception: AutoStack).

Yes, we're all stupid dumbasses because we don't want to help an arrogant prick. Just because you didn't receive any replies doesn't mean it's because they couldn't do it: it means they didn't want to help you.

I'm not waiting: I'm happy with the editor as it is, but I use a PC. The Mac people will wait a few weeks/maybe a month and get a fully-featured editor while you're going to be stuck doing basic I/O on the .chk format. Good luck implementing isometrical terrain, custom mpq archiving, perfect SC/mod compatibility, etc. in less than a few months. You'll need it.

Edit: I think you're better off making a map protection program. That's something that SCMD2 will most likely never get.

Pfft! You don't even use a mac.. You have no right to even talk here. You could use SF if you wanted, or SCMD2 now. We have NOTHING. Anyone with an intel-mac right now (the 4 or so people here who do) have NO EDITORS that will work AT ALL. Not only that, but in like a year when we finally have a full port, that will be the ONLY one.

As for your uneducated comments:
1:There's an mpq framework which I already have. So that's one thing I don't have to worry about.

2:working out the chk format isn't that difficult. ISOM will be the hardest part, period.

3:mod compatibility is not an issue. Yes, I plan to implement it, but it's not one bit more difficult than having an editor read the starcraft files normally (since you have to do that to get the tiles and unit graphics anyway). I just add an option to read a custom patch file. Big deal.

4:'Perfect' StarEdit compatability isn't really possible if you use square terrain or any special features. However, if someone needs to use SCXE or something like that in order to do something to their map, then SCMD2 or SF or whatever other editor has failed. The point of a custom editor is so that you can do everything useful in mapmaking that is possible in SC, and if your editor, built from the ground up, can't do that, then you've wasted your time.

5:Autostack.. Well I'm not so sure what that does, but if it's like stacking in SF, then no, SCMD doesn't have that, nor will it ever. I probably wouldn't use it often, but I know there are mapmakers who do. (I knew a guy who made an RPG that used stack sunkens as a plant enemy).

Uhh what? I understand everything you're talking about, even though I don't use a Mac. That's the prime example of an ad hominem if I ever heard one. I don't know why you're attacking the fact that you'll have SCMD2 to work with. "Only one" sounds good compared to "none" as of current. SI/DW are really doing you a favor.

"Uneducated comments"? Buddy, from what it seems, you're honestly reaching here, resorting to ad/homs to try to argue with me. It doesn't work, I've already proved why what you said was unfeasible.

1. Which .mpq framework? I highly doubt you coded it yourself, so that was my point. DW/SI use a custom one, that's why they can have a nifty backup database.

2. It's not difficult, and you have a place to start, and yes, ISOM will be the only thing you won't know... I never said it was. I said good luck catching up, especially with ISOM. You're really condescending here, implying that none of us here understand what you're talking about or the .chk format.

3. Yes, it's a pretty big deal. It's hard to coordinate everything that SC uses with what you're trying to do.

4. It's possible to a degree, and SCMD2 perfected it. It allows you to use the special features, but if you don't, it's still perfectly compatible. You're implying SCMD2 has failed; it's still being worked on and is really the best for anything not relating to MB's (read above post). SCMD2 is as much "built from the ground up" as possible, whatever you're trying to say here.

5. Why won't it ever have AutoStack? Are you completely out of points here, starting to fabricate bullshiz that is completely wrong? It's planned, and I believe is actually already done, just not released yet.

Just stop it: SCMD2 is complete. The only thing it's really missing are MB's and AutoStack. You can't make a better one in a few months (even for Mac). Just use your time/effort on a protector instead.

Have you ever coded for a mac before? I'm fairly sure the mac compilers automatically make intelmac and ppc mac compatible binaries when upgraded to the newest version, and unline DW I dont even own a mac.
As for custom unit names, this was _removed_ due to people naming multiply units identically.

1:Yes and no. If the original code was for x86, then you probably already included the necessary precautions for stability (like checking before dividing by zero). As long as your code is written correctly, then it should automatically be comatible with XCode's unibin options. That'll depend somewhat on how DW is porting though.

2:I already thought of that. You just have to separate identical entries by adding the original names in parentheses. Allowing both custom and original names for autocomplete also allows users to make the differentiation themselves.

thx Haplo!
thx for one of the most hilarious threads i have read in a long time!
keep it up.

some people shouldn't be taken seriously

edit:
and yes, i'm one of them

OH SNAP!

I'm a Mac user, and I'm fine with StarFire Edit while I wait for SCM Draft. I'm pretty sure StarFire works on newer Macs, though I'm not positive (and I'm not too sure why it wouldn't). So its not like us Mac-users have absolutely no alternative to regular StarEdit.

I MADE StarFire Edit. And no, it won't work on new macs since it's just a StarEdit patch made automatic in MPQDraft. Unfortunately, that thing has given people more trouble than I expected because of problems in MPQDraft and the fact that SE was never carbonized. Oh, and I'm actually quite surprised that it's become as popular as it has, although it probably is the best SE patch editor there is o.0.

Believe it or not I'll be starting on coding my own editor soon. I'll be using MPQKit for mpq functions, but just about anything else is subject to change for at least the next two weeks while I sort all the features out.

Don't worry, SCMD2:Mac will most likely be out before compatibility issues with the new Macs become a real problem.

How much more 'real' is a problem than having an intel mac (5 people voted this already) and not being able to use any kind of staredit?

Not much if it's about to be solved soon.

Yeah before I posted it here at SEN from BlizzForums, all people had was Emerald... *shudders*

i was wondering if you could give us an idea on when this is supposed to be released, because the alpha is there i know, but it hasn't even come out yet so.... yea
later

Yeah, honestly how is this project progressing?

Aren't you the moron who tried to rip off my MLTC Starcraft mod? You're coming here saying that we should "Get the party started"; however, the party's been started. Before an alpha version was even in sight, people put thought and time into this project of which most of us are wholly unaware. A mac version of a PC program that itself is not fully developed is no easy matter of programming, especially for someone who does this as a hobby -- someone with a real life beyond the computer gaming realm. Recruit elsewhere. This forum is for a particular project; if you want to start your own project, recruit elsewhere, you callous cretin.

I've pretty-much faded from the starcraft modding/mapping community, but I still recall how annoying it is for those with the talent, experience, and motivation (those who've done all the work) to be berated by those with no experience, and who've done no work for the project. This is a hobby, and it's a great favour to the modding community for the developers to be taking any time out of their real life to accomplish something unique. I may be assuming wrong, but this is being done for the benefit of those who've been in this community and themselves contributed what they could, and so that mapmakers will have yet more tools at their disposal; I'm damn certain that no one's putting their time into this so that they can bend over backwards for folks who know nothing of what has been accomplished.

oh snap!

So umm... how about that SCM Draft 2 Mac edition.

If you have an Intel Mac, you can probably use Darwine to run SCMDraft.

And for those of us who don't?

Yeah, could someone or anyone please send me a copy of SCMDraft Mac Edition? If it's not supposed to be distributed, then I can understand, but my PC monitor is tarding out and I can't see anything on it, and that was my StarForge computer. Anyone, please?

Um, did you read anything in the thread? There's no "copy" to send. It hasn't been released yet, nor do any of us know if it's even done. No one who signed up for the alpha has received an e-mail about it, to my knowledge.

I see... That's what I was wondering about, the email. I'll wait though. It's worth it.

I'm pretty sure that it is safe to assume that this project will not become a reality. I'm not just dismissing it yet, but I have my doubts. Many thanks to DW for the effort. Maybe he can pass on his incomplete project to someone else?

Yeah, I never got anything regarding the alpha testing in my e-mail either.