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I'm getting sick and tired today of the lack of respect on this website. People are flaming everybody, there are way too many problems, and things like that. I don't have time to deal with it, nobody should be forced to. These people are wrecking our reputation and screwing up the entire website.

Heres what I think should be the solutions:

- Contradictory to what I said in the past, I say we give more trusted people we know now power, and teach them how to ban people. If someone gives us any sign of trouble, they are allowed to ban.
- Stricter rules with higher punishments?
- Lose the clans.

And maybe some v5 solutions:
- Maybe have three types of user groups. Them being, "Verified High Level Map Maker", "Verified Low Level Map Maker", and "Unverified Map Maker".

Unverified Map Maker's would be extremely restricted, have low access, and possibily only be able to make a certain amount of posts per day. Everything they do is checked, and they wont be able to do some things like submit tutorials, (maybe maps as well), and so on. They would also be restricted to where they post, too. Maybe they cant make new topics in "Maps in Production" but they can still ask for help.

Verified Low Level Map Maker's are people who have submitted at least one map that seems to be in decent shape. Same standards as DLDB checking (infact, we could integrate it maybe. There could be 2 approval buttons which will promote people or something). They will have access to submit anything (but it will all be checked) and also the ability to make unlimited posts in the forums, whereever.

Verified High Level Map Maker's would be people who have submitted multipule maps with a high level of skill. They would have the ability to submit everywhere WITHOUT validation from DLDB keepers, etc, and they will also be able to have the ability to suspend "Unverified Map Maker's" until they are checked out by an admin (however, if they abuse it once, they lose the ability to use it).


Oh yes, and as usual, guests will be able to download, view, etc on most of the site's content.


I personally think these things will help the site even more. Discuss.

I'd have to agree on the general point here, SEN isn't as High Quality as it was a year ago. The fact that in one year we have gotten about 4000 new members is quite stagering to the previous 1000 members from the first year. I only expect more people to come.



No so much of a good idea. Lot's of trusted people (including DK and Rexy) seem to have "hate problems" against some specific members causing some illegitimate bannings. My suggestion is more Mods and give banning power to mods. No longer would we have to wait till IP or Yoshi get online to deal with it.
Mods are supposed to make sure the Community respects the rules.
Admins run the site like PHP, server cost and thigns like that.



Yes please. Warn Levels mean nothing, they just mean this: "I have a 20% Warn Level, that means that I have 4 chances left". Scrap that, make each Warn Level a Suspension and each time Warn Level increases, the Suspension will be longer. 100% will be a Ban as originally intended.



Thats why things have gone mad lately. Mp)'s war with [L] (I don't know their name) and aEp has screwed up everything. We currently host 2 Flame Forums ([L] and aE) and one got kicked out Mp). Only 2 forums in which I have seen no flames is Oo. and (U). Those are the only 2 clans that I respect.



This could be done. Basically, when I see a map submitted by Bolt, Tux or any other member of similar prestige and respect, I think to myself: "I should just click approve and get it over it, I already know that they comply with the rules".



Unverified Map Maker should have access to more things. Having that system basically makes them think that SEN is pretty much a few forums and a DLDB. This will scare them away, even if they were potential good people.
Verified Low Level Map Maker can be kept the way you mentioned.



Read my first point after the first quote.

The general idea is worthwhile but some mroe improvements need to be made.

Instead of having a Verified or Unverified system, I suggest something similar to the current Warn Level system, more like a Trust Level System, but it would go up by small percentage increments like 1%~5%. The higher your percentage the more access you have. If you have a high enough percentage, say 80% you could give them basic Moderator features, like closing topics and moving them. Then at about 90% you warn people and edit their profiles//avatar//signatures. 100% could grant them the ability to approve maps in DLDB?

Warn Level system could stay the same way but modify it with what was said in the begining of the post. If your warn is raised by say 20%, then your trust level lowers by 20%.

Only Staff//Admins will be able to raise Trust Level, maybe people with Trust Level above 90% can too?

Suggestions? Meh, why am I asking for suggestions, I know someone will have them

I like the trust factor thing. People like tux or bolt really should just be able to submit a map to the dldb without the need for approval. Hmmm....


Agreed.

I think the best plan of action is seriously limit a new person to something like 3 posts a day until they get their first admin karma or something. Perhaps a section in the mod cp that shows new members with 0 admin karma so we can easily review their posts to see if they deserve the ability to post more. I think that's the only thing worthwhile to do that wouldn't up the general scheme of things.

One thing to keep in mind is that Senv5 is supposed to have easier ways to deal with members, with things such as one-click wipe out of signature / avatar / title. Combined with automatic logging and the ability to add personal notes and easier interface of the mod cp, I wouldn't mind dealing with the members that need to be banned myself. Perhaps globals could have the power to temporary suspend until the member's case was reviewed. Perhaps some type of probational period for members who aren't necessarily bad, but don't understand anyways will get their signature replaced with "If my post isn't worthwhile to read, please report it *here*".

People will be forced to at least load certain pages of the faq/rules script in order to do things like post. They may cut down on members who aren't out to just cause trouble, but just don't understand.

I dunno. I'll ponder it all at work tonight.

I'm all for the seperation of clans and the main forums but I don't think clans should be denied altogether. You know already how much I hate how there is constant flaming amoung clans, the reason I haven't said more about it is because it happens mostly in their forums. I think we should seperate them more than they already are in the sense they get their forums but we dont see them on the main listing. It emphasizes more than SEN forums are seperate from the clan forums. I'm not sure about the system you have outlined up there, I still need to read most of it. I'll post later when this headache goes away.

So in short, your are saying that Clan Forums should be like SMT Forum? Only Clan members will be able to post in that forum and no one else can see it?
If the answers to the above questions is "Yes", then I say do it. Nothing better than this to end those nasty flame wars but keep the claners happy at the same time.

Yeah, I've noticed in the past few months we've hit the benchmark of a really huge site. Now, I'm the type that realizes everyone cannot be pleased, and I certainly won't take crap from people, but this is getting a little extreme. I guess I'll have to play the conservative here.

-Clans? To hell with them. If it were my way, nobody but (U) would have the clan forum. And with the crap that's been going on there with the whole Sala thing back then, I would've killed it off there. If clans did half as much mapping as they did fighting, we'd have a crapload of good maps floating around B.net. I don't really see what clans do besides form World War-style alliance systems. Also, Yoshi... how come only (U) has a sticky like this.

-Division into mapping skill... I really dislike that. We shouldn't restrict people based on their mapping skill. Or at least include a moderate skill level in the current planning there. How many Tuxedo-Templars are there? One. There's also one (U)Bolt_Head. It encourages people to make better maps, but I don't think that's the way to do it. Plus, a CRAPLOAD of non-mapping members would get screwed.

-Banning through IP and Yoshi only? You underestimate my powers.

-Hiring more trusted mods... definitely. I dislike the trust system, however. Though it does provide a way to "rise to greatness", I think we should go and scout these people out ourselves. What's really needed is an older crowd... we have a bunch of pre-teen kiddies wandering in here and causing at least 70% of the problems. Also, you need to consider the workload. We get stressed enough around here without having to dish out points and stuff. Though, a karma system would be cool... but, I mean, gamefaqs.com style karma. Of course, you can have admins toss in bonus/admin karma. That sort of system I would support.

-I like the idea of certain members should get auto-approvement into the DLDB. Just make sure it gets noted to the DLDB Keepers, so they can at least look at the map instead of it just "appearing" in there. Maybe sort the files into Standard Priority, which is submitted by the majority of the people, and Low Priority, which are by trusted people and already shown in the DLDB, but available for the keepers just to check.

-Stricter punishment? Of course. I dislike seeing new members getting only one chance while older members just get off with a warning. I do think new people should get a harsher punishment, but definitely not an instant ban. Occasionally there are good people who make a mistake and/or do something stupid. On the subject of moderation, why do the IP tools give that retarded "hahaha" page? Also, I think "Anything Goes" needs more enforcement. It is a place for crap, but not a place for TOTAL CRAP.

Okay fine, maybe some more abilities towards unverified map makers, but one thing I want to do for brand new smacking members, is limit the amount of daily posts they may make until x happens to verify them.

Right now, im comparing us to some other communities, and im realizing, we have a problem. We got random flamers, lamers, people who want to stir up trouble, and other such thing. The rise is mainly the cause of icantlose.com, filled with immature 3 year olds who think the internet is great and fun to spam up websites, but lately its been in a decline.

I was thinking that too. I got rid of the topic, it goes without saying now.

Me and IP were discussing this actually. We were thinking of a bunch of non-member groups that may go based upon karma or admin/mod promotion. I would like some division of some sort. Make sure that people who JUST registered don't get full abilities, because most people who do that abuse it.


I disapprove of the trusted systm as well. And the admin/mod stuff leaves a lot of abuse via ass kissing, which is my biggest worry.

I like that idea.

Agreed with this.

Erm... I know I'm rather patient with people and are always unbanning people I think you hastily perm banned


Because invision had no checks on the system and anyone who know the link could access it. Instead of fixxing it, I just nuked it.


So now you are against your idea of a trust system...?


Clans can still in the main listing, but won't appear as normal forums.

My thoughts are pretty much in aligned with moose's, generally.

We have too many user groups as it stands, however, a pre-member user group could be of use, with limitted posting abilities.
What if... pre-members posts are initially invisible. Global mods and up can easily see these member's post via the mod cp and approve of them in one click without sorting through topics. If a global mod/admin sees these posts are legit and the member is making a worthwhile attempt to par take in formal discussions / help topics / WHATEVER, they get bumped up in the member catagory.

Fu.ck, I think this idea is hot. Just moderator preview of all new member's posts. After 5 approvals of posts, they get 5 admin karma or something which boosts them into the member group.

Does that not solve the problem?! It does in the best way possible. No bullshitting around with post limits and such, which only contains the problem very slightly (if someone wanted to spam shit, they would just register multiple accounts). A global/admin is usually always on, so approval should be almost instant.

If your concern is with noobs and idiots from icl posting shit, this is definitely the way to do it. With a seriously easy and sexy mod cp, dealing with the approvals will be easy and no hassle.

Perhaps, the karma / reputation system can replace user groups in an overall sense. The more karma/rep you have, the less your flood times are, the more global space you have and such. Maybe.


I don't show favoritism, and if you won't, that really narrows down the possible abuse of the system. The system would be mainly used for group promotions, instead of giving the people the ability to spam a forum up to get promoted. It isn't the only way a person can get promoted, as they won't necessarily need admin karma, so we won't necessarily have to dish it out. I'm not going to go with a system that requires anyone to have to browse through sen constantly to look for posts that deserve karma, it's just, when you browsing and feel like a post is worth that click, do it if you want.
Why was user group promotions re-enabled anyways?



As with senv5, what's up with season? You think he should be coding shit for it? You didn't already give him any passwords, did you?

I never really liked it because of its obvious ass kissing flaw. We may not reward people for it, but people will do it regardless.

I agree with this and the Mod CP having a section in which all posts of Pre-Member appear.


Yes please.

Uhh sorry for not looking at this sooner. I read Yoshi's first post (nothing else)

I think Unverified restrictions sound retarded, everyone doesn't want ot climb SENs heirarchival ladder just to be allowed to post or not be veiwed as an enemy. Taking away so much from a community will cause more problems than it will solve.

Also i think your titles are missleading. When i first read it i though you were saying.
"Crappy/Retarded Mapmaker = Low Level Mapmaker" and "Good Mapmaker = High Level"
and "Unverified = Undetermaned crappy or smart"

Yoshi, you seem to have an obssesion with ranking the members. But every time you come up with something just causes more problems. Do you really think this is differant?

From the looks of this, I belive this is the worst idea you have ever had.

Anyways need to go to bed (GF's comming over tomorrow morning)

The community has an obsession with ranking people.

Ever wonder why Communism doesn't work?

Depends on what you consider not working.

Yeah, I tend to do that. Then again, this was brainstorming off the top of my head. I made this topic so people would challenge my ideas