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Map making is being killed by decoration. A single faggot: peatza (not the fine panchk or whatever his name is on this forum) has turned the non-korean map making scene into all style no substance. Maps that utterly suck are being praised because they look good, and people are more and more agreeing with it.

Will someone who doesn't care about being banned from teamliquid copy and paste a response I will write up into a certain map's thread? Even if you say "from ihatett" (which I will put on there) you will still get banned. They banned new user registrations ever since I spammed them, so I can't register ihatett2 or anything like that.


Is someone willing to do that? I don't expect anyone to, but I thouht I'd throw it out there.

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Or, for those of you who are really willing to throw away your account, just give me your password. I am not going to riot, but I do have a bunch of posts I want to make.

That request is rediculous, yes, but some of you might have a an extra accont lying around.

Um... Rockon with that, but i aint no member.

That's fine.

Even if you have an account and don't want to give it up: reply to this topic anyway to keep it at the top.

Give me some links to some of peatza's maps and rant about the huge race balence, and playability issues in them.
Then people might begin to understand...

I don't have links to them, just earch tl.net.

It seems he just discovered starforge, which you guys have been using forever, and thinks that he's revolutionary for using it in his maps while he completely ignoring balance. Also, he uses tons of sprites, which f*kcs over valkyries and any other missile firing unit.

Basically, he tries to do what the terrain people here do, but not as well, but he does it for non-UMS maps, so it actually does harm.

And he has a band of followers.

I also want to respond to this guy in a politcal thread. Another programmer and I owned him before on this topic, but now that I am gone he feels that he can come out and spew his shit.


Of course, I will donate all of my pitiful minerals, but I think the map post that I will do will change at least some minds.

If i had an account, id give it to you.

You mean a map like this?

@ihatett:

I dont think youre one to judge how someone prefers to make his maps. So one guy decides to make an aesthetic map. And then he receives praise on how the map looks. For that you call him a 'faggot'?

Youre an idiot. Youre an idiot, and a hypocritical one at that, to bash him for making a map that people with *GASP* opinions! happen to like. And oh geez, I hope youre not trying to coincide SEN's melee forums slow period of maps as your justification too.

Show me a few more maps where decoration in a purely aesthetic map receives lots of praise. Show me how the non-korean map making community is dead. Smart move getting yourself banned over something so stupid.

Maybe you should play more of those maps before deciding yourself that they have no substance.

I think it's safe to say, Team Liquid sucks.

Ignorance is bliss...

"Show me a few more maps where decoration in a purely aesthetic map receives lots of praise."
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...?topic_id=27682
http://www.freewebs.com/leetmaps/contest.htm (look at the vote count the butterfly map has)


there's one.

Well, the best thing you could do would be to make maps similar to his, except with even better terrain and balance, that way people see you as Teh Uber 1!!. Then show them that you, or atleast what you did(as I'm not sure how good you yourself are at such terrain) are(is) only average, and that the peatza guy is a newb.

Oh heavens no! Not the BUTTERFLY! This is truly the end of all mapmaking as we know it!

stop crying about your ban on other forums and go back to your corner

i'd like to also point out that you are a terrible player and that your commentary on balance, like most posts regarding balance on map threads, are full of shit.

Um I don't get it. ihattet have you been banned or anything? If you say it without flaming and insulting him, you should be able to critique his approch to mapping without getting banned. Maybe he just does not know about the problems sprites may cause.

ihatett was banned from tl.net because he made dozens of useless, annoying, retarded posts.

Sounds like a pretty juvenile request to me. Grow up.

Psh. Dont try to drag your personal vendetta against me into this. All Ive said is that Ihatett was being stupid for bashing a guy for using a lot of sprites. Did I mention any **** about gameplay? Hell no. Peats map hardly allows for much when theres only two main routes. Boohoo, expos are too close, tanksll get them.

Oh yeah, I know sooo much about gameplay. I really hate it when people who rarely read a full post act like jackasses in this forum.

Teamliquid is one of the best, if not the best, starcraft sites ever.
ihatett and mobo are both over reacting and need to reach a middle ground.

ihate may be right..... but he has absolutely no finesse in his approach. People never like it when you straight out call them a moron, so even if you have great ideas they will write them off immediatly if you insult them majorly in the same post.

edit: I personally have no quarell with team liquid, and i dont even want to pretend that i know anything about balance.

His terrain sucks... it may look nice, but it s up gameplay.


It doesn't matter how good of a player he is, you can't argue the fact that peatza's maps are extremely overrated...



Would it be better if he beat around the bush?

Wow, that is pretty bad.
I looked at the voting place, and the one with the most, cohesion is essentailly a money map...
I guess people just don't play melee seriously enough to worry about balence.

it might be, people might take him more seroiusly instead of just baning him...

F*ck you mobo, f*ck you camoot, thank you psycho. I never said it was the "end of the world", dumbass.

I am saying that if this is where non-korea mapmaking is headed, then it is dead. Good games can not be played on bad maps, and that is what all of these are.

[ No, I am not pouting my ban, and I am not a terrible player. No one has ever seen anything but my pvz (which is odd in and of itself considering I don't even play it anymore) or a F*CKING JOKE GAME WHERE I WAS ZERG. My map making critiques do not suck; show me *one* that does before you make that accusation. Oh, and I was banned for no real reason at all, and then I decided to jack around with the socialist Drone by "flooding" the forums. ]

Peatza's maps have all sucked. All he does is try and make them look unique. From his original four maps he released, to his gay-ass 192x192 lost temple (if those comments are the ones that you are calling wrong, then you are a total dumbf*ck, pure and simple), to the map with the huge bridge making terran invincible, to the pen1s with lots of sprites: all he does is go for uniqueness. All have sucked. Nothing more, nothing less. Then, starparty releases a map, and explodes when someone called him out on not caring about balance and only caring about looks.

Now, peatza & gang are saying that critiquers must play the maps before saying anything bad about them. Bullshit. You can't dump maps on us and say we have to prove they are imbalanced; the burden of proof is on the map maker. Provide quality replays before slamming us for criticizing your "art".

I was generally hated around teamliquid for two reasons, in order (the second is rediculous):


1. I am a capitalist, and made my hatred of the socialists there loud and clear.

2. I didn't think that tratoss legitimitely pulled off the marine trick. I was right, though I was wrong that he didn't do it. He did do it (though not everything was explained, I still admit that he did), but it was clearly and non-disputely rigged.


I'll probably be back once the ban on new players is lifted. In the mean time, I will be doing Empyrean's liquibets for him as he asked. But camoot, f*ck off, and try and support what you say next time.

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Oh, and thank you wes.

I didn't see your response.

I want to add something: Empyrean is also mostly concerned with looks, but he isn't a jerk like peatza is and he at least tries to make balanced maps. I have no problems with Empyrean.

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One more thing: trcc, while his maps look good, still goes for balance in his maps. They should follow his lead.

Both mobomojo and ihatett have been warned and suspended for 1 day for flaming.

From what I can see, most of his maps are visually appealing and mostly balanced for all races. There is no need to go around flaming someone or insulting his work, if you don't like it then ignore it and move on.

And with that said, I'm closing this sorry excuse for a thread.