Report, edit, etc...Posted by -black-death- on 2004-04-08 at 11:53:47
I do not intend to make a flame fest, but it will no doubt end up being one, but I shall post this thread in hopes of the impossible - a civilized debate on which platform is better.
Before I say anything I'd like to say:
This whole topic is an OPINION. I acknowledge that. The reason I argue for macs is because I want to help some unknowledgable people gain more knowledge about macs which could change their minds on the whole topic. If someone knows all the facts and still prefers PCs, then that is their choice and there is nothing I can do about it.
Although I prefer macs, PCs are better for some things. I also acknowledge this. No matter how much a mac fan argues, a PC is just plain better at games. period. I will try not to be biased and claim untrue things about macs.
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I. The Mac Community
This is the thing I like the most about Macs. There are websites all over the internet dedicated to Apple and all these Apple lover have created this nice community. Where is the PC community? Any Microsoft fans here? Is anyone really fanatical about a PC company, be it Microsoft, Dell, Gateway, etc? I have never met a MS fan my whole life.
Why do macs having 5% of the market share, have 95% more fan sites? and 95% is an understatement. I am hard pressed to name any PC fan sites. Slash dot? What others?
But I could name countless apple fan sites. Macrumors.com, appleinsider.com, spymac.com, macosrumors.com (I hate this site actually, they publish a bunch of garbage), MacObserver.com, maccentral.com. All of these sites have great forums where people can talk to other people and therefore a great community.
II. The pro's and con's of Macs
Pros
--The community
--More asthetically pleasing computers and GUI
--Less error-prone computers
--Superior OS
--Better, more stable software
--People use this argument often so it gets kind of corny but "they just work". It sounds stupid, but it's true.
--Virtually no viruses
--Efficiency
Cons
--Barely any games (I don't mind this because all I play is Starcraft.)
--File sharing is worse (but not much worse)
--Slower GUI (but windows XP is in no way fast)
--Price
III. Common Misconceptions regarding Macs
I have written a long post about this on Blizzforums already. It is blocked at my school though so I'll edit this post again when I get home from school.
b.d
Before I say anything I'd like to say:
This whole topic is an OPINION. I acknowledge that. The reason I argue for macs is because I want to help some unknowledgable people gain more knowledge about macs which could change their minds on the whole topic. If someone knows all the facts and still prefers PCs, then that is their choice and there is nothing I can do about it.
Although I prefer macs, PCs are better for some things. I also acknowledge this. No matter how much a mac fan argues, a PC is just plain better at games. period. I will try not to be biased and claim untrue things about macs.
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I. The Mac Community
This is the thing I like the most about Macs. There are websites all over the internet dedicated to Apple and all these Apple lover have created this nice community. Where is the PC community? Any Microsoft fans here? Is anyone really fanatical about a PC company, be it Microsoft, Dell, Gateway, etc? I have never met a MS fan my whole life.
Why do macs having 5% of the market share, have 95% more fan sites? and 95% is an understatement. I am hard pressed to name any PC fan sites. Slash dot? What others?
But I could name countless apple fan sites. Macrumors.com, appleinsider.com, spymac.com, macosrumors.com (I hate this site actually, they publish a bunch of garbage), MacObserver.com, maccentral.com. All of these sites have great forums where people can talk to other people and therefore a great community.
II. The pro's and con's of Macs
Pros
--The community
--More asthetically pleasing computers and GUI
--Less error-prone computers
--Superior OS
--Better, more stable software
--People use this argument often so it gets kind of corny but "they just work". It sounds stupid, but it's true.
--Virtually no viruses
--Efficiency
Cons
--Barely any games (I don't mind this because all I play is Starcraft.)
--File sharing is worse (but not much worse)
--Slower GUI (but windows XP is in no way fast)
--Price
III. Common Misconceptions regarding Macs
I have written a long post about this on Blizzforums already. It is blocked at my school though so I'll edit this post again when I get home from school.
b.d
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dark Templar on 2004-04-08 at 12:07:20
Well having grown up on Macs my whole life, I know how misunderstood we are. Macs have always been much faster than PCs and have had an easy-to-use interface. But we have not gotten much game support in the last 10-15 years because many good games have been made, but never make it to Mac, stay PC only. Not just games we have been denied, certain software as well.
The reason why we get so little support is because we make up something like 2% of the world's computers, so it just makes sense for people to make their stuff PC only. Thats why I like Blizzard, they have always made their games for Mac and PC.
Yes, I agree PCs can run games better, and that may be a reason so few good games are being made for it these days.
The reason why we get so little support is because we make up something like 2% of the world's computers, so it just makes sense for people to make their stuff PC only. Thats why I like Blizzard, they have always made their games for Mac and PC.
Yes, I agree PCs can run games better, and that may be a reason so few good games are being made for it these days.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rayne on 2004-04-08 at 12:18:22
Ive used Mac's but only for applications and work... which they are useful for... but I own and build PC's because im a hardcore gamer... Gaming for PC's... Work fo Macs... although its not very hard to do alot of work on a PC either.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dashrike on 2004-04-08 at 13:28:31
QUOTE(Dark Templar @ Apr 8 2004, 10:07 AM)
Yes, I agree PCs can run games better, and that may be a reason so few good games are being made for it these days.
Ouch. But you have a point. Most of the new games that are coming out are all graphics, no gameplay (Enter the Matrix
).</truth_hurts_don't_it?>
This is kinda applicable (notice the bold/underlined one):
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At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated,"If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25 cars that get 1000 miles to the gallon".
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating:
If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they re-painted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and re-open the windows before you could continue.
4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to re-start, in which case you would have to re-install the engine.
5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive-- but would run on only five percent of the roads.
6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This car has performed an Illegal Operation" warning light.
7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.
8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again, because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating:
If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they re-painted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and re-open the windows before you could continue.
4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to re-start, in which case you would have to re-install the engine.
5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive-- but would run on only five percent of the roads.
6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This car has performed an Illegal Operation" warning light.
7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.
8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again, because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.
Its funny because they're true... btw, wee long post...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-04-08 at 14:56:14
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
QUOTE(Dark Templar @ Apr 8 2004, 10:07 AM)
Yes, I agree PCs can run games better, and that may be a reason so few good games are being made for it these days.
Ouch. But you have a point. Most of the new games that are coming out are all graphics, no gameplay (Enter the Matrix
).</truth_hurts_don't_it?>
Have you even looked up much for ETM its much more that just graphics, not to mention it will be the biggest online game ever (as well as world of warcraft ) and no offense but how many games are you really talking about because there are a bunch of awesome games coming out that have awesome gameplay
Imo PC's are better than macs in almost every way and are so much easier to use (I have used both of them ) about the only thing macs have over pc's right now are laptops the way they look anyway (not counting the awesome looking Alienware laptops
) another thing I like about pc's is that you can build them yourself, like right now me and a friend are building a comp with a server tower and are overclocking the 3.2Ghz pentium, i'm not sure but i doubt that you can overclock a mac processor or even upgrade them all that much, at least not to the extent like a pc
and the only reason macs run a little faster is because they dont have much on them any computer runs faster when nothing is on it lol
macs tend to have a lot of random problems, not with pc's where the problems happen for a definate reason such as a virus, or you deleted a program by mistake, point is mac problems happen for no reason and pc problems only happen becuase of human error
Report, edit, etc...Posted by -black-death- on 2004-04-08 at 15:20:29
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
Imo PC's are better than macs in almost every way and are so much easier to use (I have used both of them )
It sounds as if you have used PCs much more. If this is the case, of course the PC will be easier for you to use. But for someone who has never used a computer before I think it will be a lot easier for them to use a Mac. I mean, who would think of pressing 'Start' to shutdown? :confused:.
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
Imo PC's are better than macs in almost every way and are so much easier to use (I have used both of them ) about the only thing macs have over pc's right now are laptops the way they look anyway (not counting the awesome looking Alienware laptops )
)Ugh I hate Alienware. Corny, ugly looking computers at horrible prices.
But that's my opinion, I respect yours.
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
another thing I like about pc's is that you can build them yourself, like right now me and a friend are building a comp with a server tower and are overclocking the 3.2Ghz pentium, i'm not sure but i doubt that you can overclock a mac processor or even upgrade them all that much, at least not to the extent like a pc
You CAN overclock a mac processor, but you were correct - you can't do it to the extent you can a PC. It is possible to build a Mac yourself, but it isn't done often because it really isn't that much better of a deal in the end. link
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and the only reason macs run a little faster is because they dont have much on them any computer runs faster when nothing is on it lol
How untrue can a statement be? The only things that macs dont have on them that PCs do are: Games, viruses, bloatware/Windows, spyware, etc. The average Mac user would probably have much more software on their computer, because most mac users are more 'into' their computers. Many mac users use their computer for work, so you could probably find photoshop and creative development programs on their computer.
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macs tend to have a lot of random problems, not with pc's where the problems happen for a definate reason such as a virus, or you deleted a program by mistake, point is mac problems happen for no reason and pc problems only happen becuase of human error
So it was my mom's fault that her PC got a virus when all she did was browse the internet (on a PC)? Viruses are not the user's fault.
It is Microsofts fault that they release software with security holes in it.
And if a Mac does have a problem, yes it probably seems more random than most PC problems. But the truth is, Macs rarely encounter problems. In 2 years that I had my 333Mhz G3 iMac I only had to force restart twice. In the 2 years I've owned my PC I've not only had to restart many times, but I've had to reformat the HD too(But that didn't really make me mad because I reformat every year anyways).
b.d
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2004-04-08 at 15:57:08
Heres the reasons why I'd NEVER get a mac:
- You can't upgrade it.
- No hardcore programming support (windows = c, linux = PHP, mac = wtf?)
- Less support for programs avalible
- You cannot integrate OSes (I have linux/windows machine, with a mac, you are ONLY a mac!)
- You can't upgrade it.
- No hardcore programming support (windows = c, linux = PHP, mac = wtf?)
- Less support for programs avalible
- You cannot integrate OSes (I have linux/windows machine, with a mac, you are ONLY a mac!)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-04-08 at 16:06:41
QUOTE(-black-death- @ Apr 8 2004, 02:20 PM)
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
Imo PC's are better than macs in almost every way and are so much easier to use (I have used both of them )
It sounds as if you have used PCs much more. If this is the case, of course the PC will be easier for you to use. But for someone who has never used a computer before I think it will be a lot easier for them to use a Mac. I mean, who would think of pressing 'Start' to shutdown? :confused:.
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
Imo PC's are better than macs in almost every way and are so much easier to use (I have used both of them ) about the only thing macs have over pc's right now are laptops the way they look anyway (not counting the awesome looking Alienware laptops )
)Ugh I hate Alienware. Corny, ugly looking computers at horrible prices.
But that's my opinion, I respect yours.
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
another thing I like about pc's is that you can build them yourself, like right now me and a friend are building a comp with a server tower and are overclocking the 3.2Ghz pentium, i'm not sure but i doubt that you can overclock a mac processor or even upgrade them all that much, at least not to the extent like a pc
You CAN overclock a mac processor, but you were correct - you can't do it to the extent you can a PC. It is possible to build a Mac yourself, but it isn't done often because it really isn't that much better of a deal in the end. link
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and the only reason macs run a little faster is because they dont have much on them any computer runs faster when nothing is on it lol
How untrue can a statement be? The only things that macs dont have on them that PCs do are: Games, viruses, bloatware/Windows, spyware, etc. The average Mac user would probably have much more software on their computer, because most mac users are more 'into' their computers. Many mac users use their computer for work, so you could probably find photoshop and creative development programs on their computer.
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macs tend to have a lot of random problems, not with pc's where the problems happen for a definate reason such as a virus, or you deleted a program by mistake, point is mac problems happen for no reason and pc problems only happen becuase of human error
So it was my mom's fault that her PC got a virus when all she did was browse the internet (on a PC)? Viruses are not the user's fault.
It is Microsofts fault that they release software with security holes in it.
And if a Mac does have a problem, yes it probably seems more random than most PC problems. But the truth is, Macs rarely encounter problems. In 2 years that I had my 333Mhz G3 iMac I only had to force restart twice. In the 2 years I've owned my PC I've not only had to restart many times, but I've had to reformat the HD too(But that didn't really make me mad because I reformat every year anyways).
b.d
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It sounds as if you have used PCs much more. If this is the case, of course the PC will be easier for you to use. But for someone who has never used a computer before I think it will be a lot easier for them to use a Mac. I mean, who would think of pressing 'Start' to shutdown? :confused:.
no I have used macs quite a bit also, from second till about sometime in junior high thats all that they had at school, I think the only reason they switched was becuase of the Nt network advantage
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and the only reason macs run a little faster is because they dont have much on them any computer runs faster when nothing is on it lol
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How untrue can a statement be? The only things that macs dont have on them that PCs do are: Games, viruses, bloatware/Windows, spyware, etc. The average Mac user would probably have much more software on their computer, because most mac users are more 'into' their computers. Many mac users use their computer for work, so you could probably find photoshop and creative development programs on their computer.
this was kinda a joke... and besides I hate that stereo type that all pc's use windows there are other operating systems, Linux... and how can you say mac users are more 'into' their computers?.. I respect your opinion but that is an utterly false false!! statement, there is a big amount of user difference there may only be 30% (maybe more) of Pc' users that are really 'into' their computers and building their own ect., but that amount of people is probaly about the same as the total amount of these mac users that are so 'into' their comps
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So it was my mom's fault that her PC got a virus when all she did was browse the internet (on a PC)? Viruses are not the user's fault
well again that actually is human error, not having the proper firewalls installed or on, and who created the virus a human...
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It is Microsofts fault that they release software with security holes in it.
First Xp is a little better about the security thing and second, no program and I mean no software is completely security tight just like a firewall can not possibly stop all viruses becuase it allows some information in and all it takes is for a trojan horse type virus to sneak in, see unless you stop all data transfer period it can never be completely secure (any mediocrate hacker can do it)
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And if a Mac does have a problem, yes it probably seems more random than most PC problems. But the truth is, Macs rarely encounter problems. In 2 years that I had my 333Mhz G3 iMac I only had to force restart twice. In the 2 years I've owned my PC I've not only had to restart many times, but I've had to reformat the HD too(But that didn't really make me mad because I reformat every year anyways).
macs dont have these same "type" of problems because the viruses that cause them are not progammed/designed to attack mac systems, im sure if there were more mac user hackers (or any) mac users would come across the same type of "problems"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ent on 2004-04-08 at 16:16:44
virus makers and so want mroe people to get their virus so they makes it for the most used systems.. the pc with windows installed? or am I wrong?
Anyway I dont think macs sucks its just that I havent used them so mutch because Im a gamer and as you said games are better for pcs.. or if it was pcs are better for games or something.
Anyway I dont think macs sucks its just that I havent used them so mutch because Im a gamer and as you said games are better for pcs.. or if it was pcs are better for games or something.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dashrike on 2004-04-08 at 17:40:29
QUOTE(-black-death- @ Apr 8 2004, 01:20 PM)
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
Imo PC's are better than macs in almost every way and are so much easier to use (I have used both of them )
It sounds as if you have used PCs much more. If this is the case, of course the PC will be easier for you to use. But for someone who has never used a computer before I think it will be a lot easier for them to use a Mac. I mean, who would think of pressing 'Start' to shutdown? :confused:.
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
Imo PC's are better than macs in almost every way and are so much easier to use (I have used both of them ) about the only thing macs have over pc's right now are laptops the way they look anyway (not counting the awesome looking Alienware laptops )
)Ugh I hate Alienware. Corny, ugly looking computers at horrible prices.
But that's my opinion, I respect yours.
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
another thing I like about pc's is that you can build them yourself, like right now me and a friend are building a comp with a server tower and are overclocking the 3.2Ghz pentium, i'm not sure but i doubt that you can overclock a mac processor or even upgrade them all that much, at least not to the extent like a pc
You CAN overclock a mac processor, but you were correct - you can't do it to the extent you can a PC. It is possible to build a Mac yourself, but it isn't done often because it really isn't that much better of a deal in the end. link
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and the only reason macs run a little faster is because they dont have much on them any computer runs faster when nothing is on it lol
How untrue can a statement be? The only things that macs dont have on them that PCs do are: Games, viruses, bloatware/Windows, spyware, etc. The average Mac user would probably have much more software on their computer, because most mac users are more 'into' their computers. Many mac users use their computer for work, so you could probably find photoshop and creative development programs on their computer.
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macs tend to have a lot of random problems, not with pc's where the problems happen for a definate reason such as a virus, or you deleted a program by mistake, point is mac problems happen for no reason and pc problems only happen becuase of human error
So it was my mom's fault that her PC got a virus when all she did was browse the internet (on a PC)? Viruses are not the user's fault.
It is Microsofts fault that they release software with security holes in it.
And if a Mac does have a problem, yes it probably seems more random than most PC problems. But the truth is, Macs rarely encounter problems. In 2 years that I had my 333Mhz G3 iMac I only had to force restart twice. In the 2 years I've owned my PC I've not only had to restart many times, but I've had to reformat the HD too(But that didn't really make me mad because I reformat every year anyways).
b.d
Notice your quotes quote me, though I didn't say those things...
I'd prefer a Mac, but I'll prob just stick with PC because I know them...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by -black-death- on 2004-04-08 at 22:47:55
[quote]no I have used macs quite a bit also, from second till about sometime in junior high thats all that they had at school, I think the only reason they switched was becuase of the Nt network advantage[/quote]
------What exactly did you do on these macs?
[QUOTE]
this was kinda a joke... and besides I hate that stereo type that all pc's use windows there are other operating systems, Linux... and how can you say mac users are more 'into' their computers?.. I respect your opinion but that is an utterly false false!! statement, there is a big amount of user difference there may only be 30% (maybe more) of Pc' users that are really 'into' their computers and building their own ect., but that amount of people is probaly about the same as the total amount of these mac users that are so 'into' their comps
[/QUOTE]
--------------When I refer to a PC user I refer to a Windows user.
--------------I can say mac users are more 'into' their computers because if you ask 100 mac users what they do with their computers, and then do the same with the PC users, you will find that 90% of the PC users will go "what? PC? Oh yeah, like my computer! " or something like that. A Mac user just generally is more tech-savvy.
---------------here is a fun little article I'd like to quote from:):
[quote]The study also said Mac users tend to be more Web savvy, with more than half having been online for at least five years. And the Mac faithful are 58 percent more likely than the overall online population to build their own Web page and also slightly more likely to buy goods online, according to the report.[quote]
-----------------That article is all about how studies show that mac users are smarter and better educated, btw.
[quote]
First Xp is a little better about the security thing and second, no program and I mean no software is completely security tight just like a firewall can not possibly stop all viruses becuase it allows some information in and all it takes is for a trojan horse type virus to sneak in, see unless you stop all data transfer period it can never be completely secure (any mediocrate hacker can do it) [/quote]
----------------You are correct, no software is 100% secure. But this is all about relativity. Microsoft is relatively insecure when compared to OS X. And, yes, XP is better security-wise than other MS OS's, but it is still very insecure. As you said 'any mediocre hacker can do it'.
-------------Check out this article from the wallstreet journal:
--------------http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20031023.html
[quote]well again that actually is human error, not having the proper firewalls installed or on, and who created the virus a human...[/quote]
-----------my mom does not know the first thing about firewalls.
-------------I'm just saying that you shouldn't be able to get a virus by simply browsing the internet. Security holes that big just shouldn't be allowed. MS has a history of releasing products that are not market-ready and the major security holes in Windows is a testament to this.
[quote]
macs dont have these same "type" of problems because the viruses that cause them are not progammed/designed to attack mac systems, im sure if there were more mac user hackers (or any) mac users would come across the same type of "problems"[/quote]
--------------I think the reason that there aren't many hacks on macs is because it would be a pain to find security holes in OS X. Plus, as I said before, mac users are tech savvy, they would be less prone to click on something they shouldn't be clicking on, thereby getting a virus.
b.d
------What exactly did you do on these macs?
[QUOTE]
this was kinda a joke... and besides I hate that stereo type that all pc's use windows there are other operating systems, Linux... and how can you say mac users are more 'into' their computers?.. I respect your opinion but that is an utterly false false!! statement, there is a big amount of user difference there may only be 30% (maybe more) of Pc' users that are really 'into' their computers and building their own ect., but that amount of people is probaly about the same as the total amount of these mac users that are so 'into' their comps
[/QUOTE]
--------------When I refer to a PC user I refer to a Windows user.
--------------I can say mac users are more 'into' their computers because if you ask 100 mac users what they do with their computers, and then do the same with the PC users, you will find that 90% of the PC users will go "what? PC? Oh yeah, like my computer! " or something like that. A Mac user just generally is more tech-savvy.
---------------here is a fun little article I'd like to quote from:):
[quote]The study also said Mac users tend to be more Web savvy, with more than half having been online for at least five years. And the Mac faithful are 58 percent more likely than the overall online population to build their own Web page and also slightly more likely to buy goods online, according to the report.[quote]
-----------------That article is all about how studies show that mac users are smarter and better educated, btw.
[quote]
First Xp is a little better about the security thing and second, no program and I mean no software is completely security tight just like a firewall can not possibly stop all viruses becuase it allows some information in and all it takes is for a trojan horse type virus to sneak in, see unless you stop all data transfer period it can never be completely secure (any mediocrate hacker can do it) [/quote]
----------------You are correct, no software is 100% secure. But this is all about relativity. Microsoft is relatively insecure when compared to OS X. And, yes, XP is better security-wise than other MS OS's, but it is still very insecure. As you said 'any mediocre hacker can do it'.
-------------Check out this article from the wallstreet journal:
--------------http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20031023.html
[quote]well again that actually is human error, not having the proper firewalls installed or on, and who created the virus a human...[/quote]
-----------my mom does not know the first thing about firewalls.
-------------I'm just saying that you shouldn't be able to get a virus by simply browsing the internet. Security holes that big just shouldn't be allowed. MS has a history of releasing products that are not market-ready and the major security holes in Windows is a testament to this.
[quote]
macs dont have these same "type" of problems because the viruses that cause them are not progammed/designed to attack mac systems, im sure if there were more mac user hackers (or any) mac users would come across the same type of "problems"[/quote]
--------------I think the reason that there aren't many hacks on macs is because it would be a pain to find security holes in OS X. Plus, as I said before, mac users are tech savvy, they would be less prone to click on something they shouldn't be clicking on, thereby getting a virus.
b.d
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ent on 2004-04-09 at 03:48:09
um what does tech savvy mean?
btw 600th post
btw 600th post
Report, edit, etc...Posted by -black-death- on 2004-04-09 at 04:30:02
tech
-Industrial and mechanical; technological-
+
savvy
-Well informed and perceptive-
=
Well informed about technology.
Basically tech savvy just means that you are good with computers
.
heh.
b.d
-Industrial and mechanical; technological-
+
savvy
-Well informed and perceptive-
=
Well informed about technology.
Basically tech savvy just means that you are good with computers
.heh.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by ent on 2004-04-09 at 04:35:11
mkay thanks, savvy is just a word noone ever told me about . anyway maybe more mac users are tech savvy because most people who aint well informed gets themself a pc because its the most used.thus most people using macs already are well informed since they probably know the mac is better for them.
Anyway about the viruses I think that noone wants to bother making viruses for them since so many more gets the viruses if they are spread for the pc
. anyway maybe more mac users are tech savvy because most people who aint well informed gets themself a pc because its the most used.thus most people using macs already are well informed since they probably know the mac is better for them. Anyway about the viruses I think that noone wants to bother making viruses for them since so many more gets the viruses if they are spread for the pc
Report, edit, etc...Posted by -black-death- on 2004-04-09 at 05:27:12
But then why are virtually NO viruses made on macs?
10-15 new viruses are made every day for the PC, while there are according to one source only 40 viruses in circulation for Mac.
I don't know the accuracy of that last statistic, but whatever the actual statistic, the truth is, macs control about 4% of the marketshare, but have less than 1% of the total amount of viruses.
So, I think hackers don't make as many hacks for macs because of the better security in Mac OS X.
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Addressing Yoshi's post:
Heres the reasons why I'd NEVER get a mac:
- You can't upgrade it.
>>>>>> Powerlogix.com for processor upgrades.
>>>>>> Dealmac.com to search for the best prices for any other component.
- No hardcore programming support (windows = c, linux = PHP, mac = wtf?)
>>>>>> To be completely honest, I have only programmed in Windows, but I know apple has a program called xCode. OS X is derived from so many sources that it has a lot of application environments, like cocoa, carbon, etc. I think OS X is a good OS for developers, but, once again, I don't know squat about programming on a mac.
- Less support for programs avalible
>>>>>> I would only say this applies to games. You can do pretty much anything on a Mac that you can do on a PC. Lots of software is cross platform, and the software that isn't has a Mac equivalent. And if it doesn't have a Mac equivalent, however unlikely that is, you can always use Virtual PC to run that program in a Windows environment.
- You cannot integrate OSes (I have linux/windows machine, with a mac, you are ONLY a mac!)
>>>>>> Who told you this? You can have Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Windows (using virtual PC), and Linux (with older macs, I'm not so sure about the more recent ones)
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10-15 new viruses are made every day for the PC, while there are according to one source only 40 viruses in circulation for Mac.
I don't know the accuracy of that last statistic, but whatever the actual statistic, the truth is, macs control about 4% of the marketshare, but have less than 1% of the total amount of viruses.
So, I think hackers don't make as many hacks for macs because of the better security in Mac OS X.
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Addressing Yoshi's post:
Heres the reasons why I'd NEVER get a mac:
- You can't upgrade it.
>>>>>> Powerlogix.com for processor upgrades.
>>>>>> Dealmac.com to search for the best prices for any other component.
- No hardcore programming support (windows = c, linux = PHP, mac = wtf?)
>>>>>> To be completely honest, I have only programmed in Windows, but I know apple has a program called xCode. OS X is derived from so many sources that it has a lot of application environments, like cocoa, carbon, etc. I think OS X is a good OS for developers, but, once again, I don't know squat about programming on a mac.
- Less support for programs avalible
>>>>>> I would only say this applies to games. You can do pretty much anything on a Mac that you can do on a PC. Lots of software is cross platform, and the software that isn't has a Mac equivalent. And if it doesn't have a Mac equivalent, however unlikely that is, you can always use Virtual PC to run that program in a Windows environment.
- You cannot integrate OSes (I have linux/windows machine, with a mac, you are ONLY a mac!)
>>>>>> Who told you this? You can have Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Windows (using virtual PC), and Linux (with older macs, I'm not so sure about the more recent ones)
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rayne on 2004-04-09 at 08:25:24
Addressing Black-Death's post earlier about Alienware...
Personally i think the computers look pretty cool butthey are REALLY overprices... about 2000 dollars overpriced if you ask me... Its at a time when you want a Alienware.. that you learn how to Build a PC.
Personally i think the computers look pretty cool butthey are REALLY overprices... about 2000 dollars overpriced if you ask me... Its at a time when you want a Alienware.. that you learn how to Build a PC.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-04-09 at 20:08:53
to the Alienware thing, they are cool looking, but thern again I do have one so why wouldnt I think they look cool lol
they are a little overpriced though, mine with everything I got (which was a lot) was $9,392, but difference is got a whole lot of extra stuff, but unless you built your own with the same stuff,it was well worth it
well from the daily norm stuff, there was a graphics class i took there wasnt much else we did, but then again even with the pc's we didnt do much either so...
first off why did you only look at this one source, unless this was from an official Microsoft or Mac site i doubt this is very accurate... but anyway
you have to look at the amount of Pc users when there are millions and millions of pc users so there a 10-15 new viruses its not that surprising lot of hackers out there with nothing to do lol. also there is nothing to gain by releasing viruses onto macs the amount of infection is signifigantly less
the amount of security on the Mac OSX has nothing to do with it really, if someone really wanted to hack a mac it wouldnt be that hard there just is no reason to do so
also the windows system is just more open to attacks becuase of the system compatibily with so many file types, its also more open to viruses
but even so that is still human fault
Im tired of people complaining about viruses when they wont even take the necessary percaustions to protect their comp, if they dont it is HUMAN ERROR, its not the computers fault if it gets a virus
they are a little overpriced though, mine with everything I got (which was a lot) was $9,392, but difference is got a whole lot of extra stuff, but unless you built your own with the same stuff,it was well worth it
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------What exactly did you do on these macs?
well from the daily norm stuff, there was a graphics class i took there wasnt much else we did, but then again even with the pc's we didnt do much either so...
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But then why are virtually NO viruses made on macs?
10-15 new viruses are made every day for the PC, while there are according to one source only 40 viruses in circulation for Mac.
I don't know the accuracy of that last statistic, but whatever the actual statistic, the truth is, macs control about 4% of the marketshare, but have less than 1% of the total amount of viruses.
So, I think hackers don't make as many hacks for macs because of the better security in Mac OS X.
10-15 new viruses are made every day for the PC, while there are according to one source only 40 viruses in circulation for Mac.
I don't know the accuracy of that last statistic, but whatever the actual statistic, the truth is, macs control about 4% of the marketshare, but have less than 1% of the total amount of viruses.
So, I think hackers don't make as many hacks for macs because of the better security in Mac OS X.
first off why did you only look at this one source, unless this was from an official Microsoft or Mac site i doubt this is very accurate... but anyway
you have to look at the amount of Pc users when there are millions and millions of pc users so there a 10-15 new viruses its not that surprising lot of hackers out there with nothing to do lol. also there is nothing to gain by releasing viruses onto macs the amount of infection is signifigantly less
the amount of security on the Mac OSX has nothing to do with it really, if someone really wanted to hack a mac it wouldnt be that hard there just is no reason to do so
also the windows system is just more open to attacks becuase of the system compatibily with so many file types, its also more open to viruses
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-----------my mom does not know the first thing about firewalls.
but even so that is still human fault
Im tired of people complaining about viruses when they wont even take the necessary percaustions to protect their comp, if they dont it is HUMAN ERROR, its not the computers fault if it gets a virus
Report, edit, etc...Posted by -black-death- on 2004-04-10 at 02:28:16
But I believe that it is Microsoft's job to protect our PCs.
And OMG!!! You spent $9,000 on your computer!?!??! My dear lord. First off, yeah, any mac that you have used will be inferior to your computer probably, but if you spent $9,000 on a mac it would be a hella tight system.
Gah, I can't fathom spending so much money on a computer. But I hope I can someday
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About Alienware:
Ugly as hell IMO. Looks like something a prepubescent boy would like 
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Ditto.
I thought they had other cases? I remember liking one of their desktop cases about a year ago. Haven't really checked them out since then though.
I found an article that explains PC vs Mac security and it does it a hell of a lot better than I could so I'll link it:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/con..._4265_tc056.htm
It is kind of long, but I recommend reading it all. It's not a bad read.
So that article explains why Macs have better security.
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And OMG!!! You spent $9,000 on your computer!?!??! My dear lord. First off, yeah, any mac that you have used will be inferior to your computer probably, but if you spent $9,000 on a mac it would be a hella tight system.
Gah, I can't fathom spending so much money on a computer. But I hope I can someday
.About Alienware:
Ugly as hell IMO. Looks like something a prepubescent boy would like .Ditto.I thought they had other cases? I remember liking one of their desktop cases about a year ago. Haven't really checked them out since then though.
I found an article that explains PC vs Mac security and it does it a hell of a lot better than I could so I'll link it:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/con..._4265_tc056.htm
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But for lowest-common-denominator attacks coming through e-mail attachments such as Mydoom, Apple offers far better protection than Microsoft. That's particularly encouraging now that the Mac is playing in the far rougher and more populous Unix neighborhood, where security shortcomings could lead to disaster.
It is kind of long, but I recommend reading it all. It's not a bad read.
So that article explains why Macs have better security.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by ent on 2004-04-10 at 03:25:38
ya i read almost everything (couldnt read it all becase im going away over the weekend). Well even if the mac is more secure (I wouldnt have any idea) I will still use a pc since it is as you say better for gaming.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by -black-death- on 2004-04-10 at 03:55:20
You see, I use a PC because of the cost.
That's the only reason. But I have $2,000 saved up. I'm going to invest this though and hope I do well, so I can get a mac.
I prefer Macs although I love both. I couldn't live without either.
I prefer to do gaming and programming on my PC, but I prefer doing web design and photoshop work on my mac. I also prefer doing simple tasks like browsing the internet, typing up documents for school, etc on my Mac.
I want a new mac though. I have a 1Ghz 17" G4 iMac that I use (it's my dad's). I want a G5.
b.d
That's the only reason. But I have $2,000 saved up. I'm going to invest this though and hope I do well, so I can get a mac.
I prefer Macs although I love both. I couldn't live without either.
I prefer to do gaming and programming on my PC, but I prefer doing web design and photoshop work on my mac. I also prefer doing simple tasks like browsing the internet, typing up documents for school, etc on my Mac.
I want a new mac though. I have a 1Ghz 17" G4 iMac that I use (it's my dad's). I want a G5.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by dashrike on 2004-04-10 at 13:40:38
I wanna G5... But I don't have any money... 
I'm probably gonna customize my case anyways, so it'll be cool for just me.
I'm probably gonna customize my case anyways, so it'll be cool for just me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2004-04-10 at 14:17:44
Listen -black-death-, your arguements are mainly about what it looks like and its cost.
The biggest difference about PCs to Macs, is that I dont buy my whole computer from a store (with macs, you have no choice).
I buy it part by part, and keep upgrading my system.
I love my case. Macs you got no choice, I do. Theres millions of cases.
I got plently of great things on my computer. I dont want to buy a whole new computer when I want to upgrade, its not cost efficent.
You are correct, I dont depend on Microsoft to protect my computer. I protect it myself... even better than any mac.
The biggest difference about PCs to Macs, is that I dont buy my whole computer from a store (with macs, you have no choice).
I buy it part by part, and keep upgrading my system.
I love my case. Macs you got no choice, I do. Theres millions of cases.
I got plently of great things on my computer. I dont want to buy a whole new computer when I want to upgrade, its not cost efficent.
You are correct, I dont depend on Microsoft to protect my computer. I protect it myself... even better than any mac.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dashrike on 2004-04-10 at 14:21:41
QUOTE(Yoshi)
I got plently of great things on my computer. I dont want to buy a whole new computer when I want to upgrade, its not cost efficent.
But my parents are going to buy me a computer for college, so I won't be buying it.
Thats the way to do it. QUOTE
You are correct, I dont depend on Microsoft to protect my computer. I protect it myself... even better than any mac.
I do that too. So in college, I'll have the best of both worlds.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-04-11 at 02:26:14
I have to agee with Yoshi about this, -black-death- all your arguments seem to be about look and price and I just dont see why you think the Alienware case is "Ugly as Hell" they are by far some of the most unique looking cases out there
and 9,000 (I know its a lot lol) but look at it this way i could easily not have to upgrade anything for 2 years or 3 the highest spec requirments for any game right now is around 1. something for processor, and besides the kind of comp i have is more for the "hardcore gamer" like me and even when i do need to upgrade all i will need to do is figure some way to overclock the processor lol
even when I do someday buy a new comp i wont have to install everything a new, (not with a 500Gb HD anyway) thats the advantage of PC over Mac big one the ability to Upgrade as much as you want and however you want it
and 9,000 (I know its a lot lol) but look at it this way i could easily not have to upgrade anything for 2 years or 3 the highest spec requirments for any game right now is around 1. something for processor, and besides the kind of comp i have is more for the "hardcore gamer" like me
and even when i do need to upgrade all i will need to do is figure some way to overclock the processor lol even when I do someday buy a new comp i wont have to install everything a new, (not with a 500Gb HD anyway) thats the advantage of PC over Mac big one the ability to Upgrade as much as you want and however you want it
Report, edit, etc...Posted by -black-death- on 2004-04-13 at 19:26:38
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I just dont see why you think the Alienware case is "Ugly as Hell" they are by far some of the most unique looking cases out there
I will put in orange everything from all my posts where I argue for macs by saying that they are better looking. As for price? I argued for PC's when I talked about pricing. PC's are much better priced, IMO, and I never said anything other than that.QUOTE
I. The Mac Community
This is the thing I like the most about Macs. There are websites all over the internet dedicated to Apple and all these Apple lover have created this nice community. Where is the PC community? Any Microsoft fans here? Is anyone really fanatical about a PC company, be it Microsoft, Dell, Gateway, etc? I have never met a MS fan my whole life.
Why do macs having 5% of the market share, have 95% more fan sites? and 95% is an understatement. I am hard pressed to name any PC fan sites. Slash dot? What others?
But I could name countless apple fan sites. Macrumors.com, appleinsider.com, spymac.com, macosrumors.com (I hate this site actually, they publish a bunch of garbage), MacObserver.com, maccentral.com. All of these sites have great forums where people can talk to other people and therefore a great community.
II. The pro's and con's of Macs[/b]
Pros
--The community
--More asthetically pleasing computers and GUI --Less error-prone computers
--Superior OS
--Better, more stable software
--People use this argument often so it gets kind of corny but "they just work". It sounds stupid, but it's true.
--Virtually no viruses
--Efficiency
Cons
--Barely any games (I don't mind this because all I play is Starcraft.)
--File sharing is worse (but not much worse)
--Slower GUI (but windows XP is in no way fast)
--Price <--- see I said this was a con for macs.
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This is the thing I like the most about Macs. There are websites all over the internet dedicated to Apple and all these Apple lover have created this nice community. Where is the PC community? Any Microsoft fans here? Is anyone really fanatical about a PC company, be it Microsoft, Dell, Gateway, etc? I have never met a MS fan my whole life.
Why do macs having 5% of the market share, have 95% more fan sites? and 95% is an understatement. I am hard pressed to name any PC fan sites. Slash dot? What others?
But I could name countless apple fan sites. Macrumors.com, appleinsider.com, spymac.com, macosrumors.com (I hate this site actually, they publish a bunch of garbage), MacObserver.com, maccentral.com. All of these sites have great forums where people can talk to other people and therefore a great community.
II. The pro's and con's of Macs[/b]
Pros
--The community
--More asthetically pleasing computers and GUI --Less error-prone computers
--Superior OS
--Better, more stable software
--People use this argument often so it gets kind of corny but "they just work". It sounds stupid, but it's true.
--Virtually no viruses
--Efficiency
Cons
--Barely any games (I don't mind this because all I play is Starcraft.)
--File sharing is worse (but not much worse)
--Slower GUI (but windows XP is in no way fast)
--Price <--- see I said this was a con for macs.
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1 there.
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But then why are virtually NO viruses made on macs?
10-15 new viruses are made every day for the PC, while there are according to one source only 40 viruses in circulation for Mac.
I don't know the accuracy of that last statistic, but whatever the actual statistic, the truth is, macs control about 4% of the marketshare, but have less than 1% of the total amount of viruses.
So, I think hackers don't make as many hacks for macs because of the better security in Mac OS X.
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Addressing Yoshi's post:
Heres the reasons why I'd NEVER get a mac:
- You can't upgrade it.
>>>>>> Powerlogix.com for processor upgrades.
>>>>>> Dealmac.com to search for the best prices for any other component.
- No hardcore programming support (windows = c, linux = PHP, mac = wtf?)
>>>>>> To be completely honest, I have only programmed in Windows, but I know apple has a program called xCode. OS X is derived from so many sources that it has a lot of application environments, like cocoa, carbon, etc. I think OS X is a good OS for developers, but, once again, I don't know squat about programming on a mac.
- Less support for programs avalible
>>>>>> I would only say this applies to games. You can do pretty much anything on a Mac that you can do on a PC. Lots of software is cross platform, and the software that isn't has a Mac equivalent. And if it doesn't have a Mac equivalent, however unlikely that is, you can always use Virtual PC to run that program in a Windows environment.
- You cannot integrate OSes (I have linux/windows machine, with a mac, you are ONLY a mac!)
>>>>>> Who told you this? You can have Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Windows (using virtual PC), and Linux (with older macs, I'm not so sure about the more recent ones)
10-15 new viruses are made every day for the PC, while there are according to one source only 40 viruses in circulation for Mac.
I don't know the accuracy of that last statistic, but whatever the actual statistic, the truth is, macs control about 4% of the marketshare, but have less than 1% of the total amount of viruses.
So, I think hackers don't make as many hacks for macs because of the better security in Mac OS X.
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Addressing Yoshi's post:
Heres the reasons why I'd NEVER get a mac:
- You can't upgrade it.
>>>>>> Powerlogix.com for processor upgrades.
>>>>>> Dealmac.com to search for the best prices for any other component.
- No hardcore programming support (windows = c, linux = PHP, mac = wtf?)
>>>>>> To be completely honest, I have only programmed in Windows, but I know apple has a program called xCode. OS X is derived from so many sources that it has a lot of application environments, like cocoa, carbon, etc. I think OS X is a good OS for developers, but, once again, I don't know squat about programming on a mac.
- Less support for programs avalible
>>>>>> I would only say this applies to games. You can do pretty much anything on a Mac that you can do on a PC. Lots of software is cross platform, and the software that isn't has a Mac equivalent. And if it doesn't have a Mac equivalent, however unlikely that is, you can always use Virtual PC to run that program in a Windows environment.
- You cannot integrate OSes (I have linux/windows machine, with a mac, you are ONLY a mac!)
>>>>>> Who told you this? You can have Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, Windows (using virtual PC), and Linux (with older macs, I'm not so sure about the more recent ones)
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QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
Imo PC's are better than macs in almost every way and are so much easier to use (I have used both of them )
It sounds as if you have used PCs much more. If this is the case, of course the PC will be easier for you to use. But for someone who has never used a computer before I think it will be a lot easier for them to use a Mac. I mean, who would think of pressing 'Start' to shutdown? :confused:.
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
Imo PC's are better than macs in almost every way and are so much easier to use (I have used both of them ) about the only thing macs have over pc's right now are laptops the way they look anyway (not counting the awesome looking Alienware laptops )
)none there.
Ugh I hate Alienware. Corny, ugly looking computers at horrible prices.
But that's my opinion, I respect yours.
The statements above are not saying PC's are ugly, just alienwares, and that is just my opinion.
QUOTE(dashrike @ Apr 8 2004, 12:28 PM)
another thing I like about pc's is that you can build them yourself, like right now me and a friend are building a comp with a server tower and are overclocking the 3.2Ghz pentium, i'm not sure but i doubt that you can overclock a mac processor or even upgrade them all that much, at least not to the extent like a pc
You CAN overclock a mac processor, but you were correct - you can't do it to the extent you can a PC. It is possible to build a Mac yourself, but it isn't done often because it really isn't that much better of a deal in the end. link
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and the only reason macs run a little faster is because they dont have much on them any computer runs faster when nothing is on it lol
How untrue can a statement be? The only things that macs dont have on them that PCs do are: Games, viruses, bloatware/Windows, spyware, etc. The average Mac user would probably have much more software on their computer, because most mac users are more 'into' their computers. Many mac users use their computer for work, so you could probably find photoshop and creative development programs on their computer.
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macs tend to have a lot of random problems, not with pc's where the problems happen for a definate reason such as a virus, or you deleted a program by mistake, point is mac problems happen for no reason and pc problems only happen becuase of human error
none there.
So it was my mom's fault that her PC got a virus when all she did was browse the internet (on a PC)? Viruses are not the user's fault.
It is Microsofts fault that they release software with security holes in it.
And if a Mac does have a problem, yes it probably seems more random than most PC problems. But the truth is, Macs rarely encounter problems. In 2 years that I had my 333Mhz G3 iMac I only had to force restart twice. In the 2 years I've owned my PC I've not only had to restart many times, but I've had to reformat the HD too(But that didn't really make me mad because I reformat every year anyways).
The post after the previous post does not mention anything about mac's asthetics, so I won't take up space by quoting it.
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tech
-Industrial and mechanical; technological-
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savvy
-Well informed and perceptive-
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Well informed about technology.
Basically tech savvy just means that you are good with computers.
heh.
-Industrial and mechanical; technological-
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savvy
-Well informed and perceptive-
=
Well informed about technology.
Basically tech savvy just means that you are good with computers
.heh.
none there.
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But I believe that it is Microsoft's job to protect our PCs.
And OMG!!! You spent $9,000 on your computer!?!??! My dear lord. First off, yeah, any mac that you have used will be inferior to your computer probably, but if you spent $9,000 on a mac it would be a hella tight system.
Gah, I can't fathom spending so much money on a computer. But I hope I can someday .
About Alienware:
Ugly as hell IMO. Looks like something a prepubescent boy would like .
Ditto.
I thought they had other cases? I remember liking one of their desktop cases about a year ago. Haven't really checked them out since then though.
I found an article that explains PC vs Mac security and it does it a hell of a lot better than I could so I'll link it:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/con..._4265_tc056.htm
It is kind of long, but I recommend reading it all. It's not a bad read.
So that article explains why Macs have better security.
And OMG!!! You spent $9,000 on your computer!?!??! My dear lord. First off, yeah, any mac that you have used will be inferior to your computer probably, but if you spent $9,000 on a mac it would be a hella tight system.
Gah, I can't fathom spending so much money on a computer. But I hope I can someday
.About Alienware:
Ugly as hell IMO. Looks like something a prepubescent boy would like .Ditto.I thought they had other cases? I remember liking one of their desktop cases about a year ago. Haven't really checked them out since then though.
I found an article that explains PC vs Mac security and it does it a hell of a lot better than I could so I'll link it:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/con..._4265_tc056.htm
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But for lowest-common-denominator attacks coming through e-mail attachments such as Mydoom, Apple offers far better protection than Microsoft. That's particularly encouraging now that the Mac is playing in the far rougher and more populous Unix neighborhood, where security shortcomings could lead to disaster.
It is kind of long, but I recommend reading it all. It's not a bad read.
So that article explains why Macs have better security.
Once again, I say alienwares are ugly but I never cite that as a reason for why you should buy a Mac. There are thousands of non-alienware PCs.
So none there.
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You see, I use a PC because of the cost.
That's the only reason. But I have $2,000 saved up. I'm going to invest this though and hope I do well, so I can get a mac.
I prefer Macs although I love both. I couldn't live without either.
I prefer to do gaming and programming on my PC, but I prefer doing web design and photoshop work on my mac. I also prefer doing simple tasks like browsing the internet, typing up documents for school, etc on my Mac.
I want a new mac though. I have a 1Ghz 17" G4 iMac that I use (it's my dad's). I want a G5.
That's the only reason. But I have $2,000 saved up. I'm going to invest this though and hope I do well, so I can get a mac.
I prefer Macs although I love both. I couldn't live without either.
I prefer to do gaming and programming on my PC, but I prefer doing web design and photoshop work on my mac. I also prefer doing simple tasks like browsing the internet, typing up documents for school, etc on my Mac.
I want a new mac though. I have a 1Ghz 17" G4 iMac that I use (it's my dad's). I want a G5.
None there.
So the point of this post:
I say macs are better looking as an argument to get a Mac in ONLY 1 PART OF 1 POST
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I just dont see why you think the Alienware case is "Ugly as Hell" they are by far some of the most unique looking cases out there
Unique does not always mean good looking. If I decide to make a case in the shape of a big rendition of him:
That would definitely be unique, but would it be cool looking? Hell no. In my opinion, their uniqueness contributes to their cornyness and ugliness. But that is just my opinion. It's fine with me if someone likes Alienware systems. Good for them.
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thats the advantage of PC over Mac big one the ability to Upgrade as much as you want and however you want it
What in a PC can you upgrade that you can't on a mac?
The one thing I can think of is that it is harder to upgrade the processor on a mac. Just harder, but still possible. You have to buy an upgrade from somewhere like powerlogix.
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