Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-09-14 at 23:34:13
Is it true that nice guys finish last? It all depends on a point of view, I'd suppose. What is a nice guy to you? Are they wimps? Do girls dig nice guys? Please write a pre-draft, an outline, and a final draft by tomorrow morning 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-14 at 23:36:49
Are you serious about the drafts and stuff?
Because I consider myself a nice guy and I always finish last.
Because I consider myself a nice guy and I always finish last.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-09-14 at 23:40:05
No, I wasn't serious.
Why do you conisder yourself a nice guy?
Why do you conisder yourself a nice guy?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-09-14 at 23:44:39
In some situations, the nice guy finishes last. I've noticed a lot of girls don't like nice guys because they find them "boring", apposed to a dumb jerk, because they think they can change him.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-14 at 23:45:54
I don't know, really.
I let people borrow my money, and don't really care if they pay me back or not.
I try and help people if they are hurt, physically or emotionally.
If someone's having trouble with their schoolwork or something similar, I try to explain it to them.
I don't know if that makes me a nice guy.
I let people borrow my money, and don't really care if they pay me back or not.
I try and help people if they are hurt, physically or emotionally.
If someone's having trouble with their schoolwork or something similar, I try to explain it to them.
I don't know if that makes me a nice guy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-15 at 00:04:14
QUOTE(Yoshi da Sniper @ Sep 14 2005, 09:44 PM)
In some situations, the nice guy finishes last. I've noticed a lot of girls don't like nice guys because they find them "boring", apposed to a dumb jerk, because they think they can change him.
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There's a difference between nice guys and "I'll do whatever you want me to!" guys.
The latter being pansies.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-09-15 at 01:30:49
QUOTE(Kame da Sniper @ Sep 14 2005, 08:34 PM)
Is it true that nice guys finish last? It all depends on a point of view, I'd suppose. What is a nice guy to you? Are they wimps? Do girls dig nice guys? Please write a pre-draft, an outline, and a final draft by tomorrow morning
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My English homework last night sucked more than that
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-09-15 at 01:55:35
[center]So is this why I'm usually 'the friend'?
Meh, I'm a nice guy, but I can be a huge
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Meh, I'm a nice guy, but I can be a huge
sometimes.[/center]Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2005-09-15 at 03:19:11
This analogy sums up my feelings on this topic pretty well:
"A woman has a close male friend. This means that he is probably interested in her, which is why he hangs around so much. She sees him strictly as a friend. This always starts out with, you're a great guy, but I don't like you in that way. This is roughly the equivalent for the guy of going to a job interview and the company saying, You have a great resume, you have all the qualifications we are looking for, but we're not going to hire you. We will, however, use your resume as the basis for comparison for all other applicants. But, we're going to hire somebody who is far less qualified and is probably an alcoholic. And if he doesn't work out, we'll hire somebody else, but still not you. In fact, we will never hire you. But we will call you from time to time to complain about the person that we hired."
In terms of relationships - or getting into a relationship rather - nice guys are considered the best friend rather than boyfriend. The nice guys are the ones the girl will go and rant to just to feel better, but nto actually take them as more than a close friend. And then there's that whole "if this relationship went any further, it may ruin our friendship" thing.
"A woman has a close male friend. This means that he is probably interested in her, which is why he hangs around so much. She sees him strictly as a friend. This always starts out with, you're a great guy, but I don't like you in that way. This is roughly the equivalent for the guy of going to a job interview and the company saying, You have a great resume, you have all the qualifications we are looking for, but we're not going to hire you. We will, however, use your resume as the basis for comparison for all other applicants. But, we're going to hire somebody who is far less qualified and is probably an alcoholic. And if he doesn't work out, we'll hire somebody else, but still not you. In fact, we will never hire you. But we will call you from time to time to complain about the person that we hired."
In terms of relationships - or getting into a relationship rather - nice guys are considered the best friend rather than boyfriend. The nice guys are the ones the girl will go and rant to just to feel better, but nto actually take them as more than a close friend. And then there's that whole "if this relationship went any further, it may ruin our friendship" thing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Caboose on 2005-09-15 at 03:32:23
Nicely put, DevliN.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-15 at 05:05:51
Actually, that's dead on.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-09-15 at 08:48:43
[center]We need more females on these forums... We're not getting the whole picture.[/center]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DameDaSnipa. on 2005-09-15 at 08:49:21
Well Kame here is my little draft of my likeness
l Nerds l
l 75% l
l______
l Nice Guys l
l 85% l
__________
l Tough Guys l
l 25% l
_____________
l Yoshi l
l 100%l
______
*This was based off of my stupid and girlish opinion*
*Yoshis chart was a mirage*
*Yoshi im just kiding Kame im just kidding i like to joke with yoshi
*
I think me and kame are just about the ONLY genuine females in these fourms
l Nerds l
l 75% l
l______
l Nice Guys l
l 85% l
__________
l Tough Guys l
l 25% l
_____________
l Yoshi l
l 100%l
______
*This was based off of my stupid and girlish opinion*
*Yoshis chart was a mirage*
*Yoshi im just kiding Kame im just kidding i like to joke with yoshi
*I think me and kame are just about the ONLY genuine females in these fourms
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-09-15 at 08:51:39
[center]*Cough* Rexy.
...And probably a few posers...[/center]
...And probably a few posers...[/center]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-15 at 10:12:18
Don't you guys go to school? Are there not girls there...?
edit: Are damedasniper and kamedasniper the same person? I'm confused...
edit: Are damedasniper and kamedasniper the same person? I'm confused...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-15 at 10:43:24
QUOTE(Kame da Sniper @ Sep 14 2005, 08:34 PM)
Is it true that nice guys finish last? It all depends on a point of view, I'd suppose. What is a nice guy to you? Are they wimps? Do girls dig nice guys? Please write a pre-draft, an outline, and a final draft by tomorrow morning
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I'm a nice guy and I ALWAYS finish last.
QUOTE(DevliN @ Sep 15 2005, 12:19 AM)
This analogy sums up my feelings on this topic pretty well:
"A woman has a close male friend. This means that he is probably interested in her, which is why he hangs around so much. She sees him strictly as a friend. This always starts out with, you're a great guy, but I don't like you in that way. This is roughly the equivalent for the guy of going to a job interview and the company saying, You have a great resume, you have all the qualifications we are looking for, but we're not going to hire you. We will, however, use your resume as the basis for comparison for all other applicants. But, we're going to hire somebody who is far less qualified and is probably an alcoholic. And if he doesn't work out, we'll hire somebody else, but still not you. In fact, we will never hire you. But we will call you from time to time to complain about the person that we hired."
In terms of relationships - or getting into a relationship rather - nice guys are considered the best friend rather than boyfriend. The nice guys are the ones the girl will go and rant to just to feel better, but nto actually take them as more than a close friend. And then there's that whole "if this relationship went any further, it may ruin our friendship" thing.
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"A woman has a close male friend. This means that he is probably interested in her, which is why he hangs around so much. She sees him strictly as a friend. This always starts out with, you're a great guy, but I don't like you in that way. This is roughly the equivalent for the guy of going to a job interview and the company saying, You have a great resume, you have all the qualifications we are looking for, but we're not going to hire you. We will, however, use your resume as the basis for comparison for all other applicants. But, we're going to hire somebody who is far less qualified and is probably an alcoholic. And if he doesn't work out, we'll hire somebody else, but still not you. In fact, we will never hire you. But we will call you from time to time to complain about the person that we hired."
In terms of relationships - or getting into a relationship rather - nice guys are considered the best friend rather than boyfriend. The nice guys are the ones the girl will go and rant to just to feel better, but nto actually take them as more than a close friend. And then there's that whole "if this relationship went any further, it may ruin our friendship" thing.
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Wow. How did you figure this out? That's soooooooooo true >.<
No wonder I can never get one of those hot, hot, hot chicks >.<
Edit: DameDaSnipa. Who are you? PM me so you can keep your secret identity secret if you don't want people to find out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Slyence on 2005-09-15 at 11:19:04
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DameDaSnipa. on 2005-09-15 at 11:19:48
No im not Kame im new and could think of a name so i copied off of Kame im so ashamed 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-09-15 at 11:44:22
QUOTE(DevliN @ Sep 15 2005, 02:19 AM)
This analogy sums up my feelings on this topic pretty well:
"A woman has a close male friend. This means that he is probably interested in her, which is why he hangs around so much. She sees him strictly as a friend. This always starts out with, you're a great guy, but I don't like you in that way. This is roughly the equivalent for the guy of going to a job interview and the company saying, You have a great resume, you have all the qualifications we are looking for, but we're not going to hire you. We will, however, use your resume as the basis for comparison for all other applicants. But, we're going to hire somebody who is far less qualified and is probably an alcoholic. And if he doesn't work out, we'll hire somebody else, but still not you. In fact, we will never hire you. But we will call you from time to time to complain about the person that we hired."
In terms of relationships - or getting into a relationship rather - nice guys are considered the best friend rather than boyfriend. The nice guys are the ones the girl will go and rant to just to feel better, but nto actually take them as more than a close friend. And then there's that whole "if this relationship went any further, it may ruin our friendship" thing.
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"A woman has a close male friend. This means that he is probably interested in her, which is why he hangs around so much. She sees him strictly as a friend. This always starts out with, you're a great guy, but I don't like you in that way. This is roughly the equivalent for the guy of going to a job interview and the company saying, You have a great resume, you have all the qualifications we are looking for, but we're not going to hire you. We will, however, use your resume as the basis for comparison for all other applicants. But, we're going to hire somebody who is far less qualified and is probably an alcoholic. And if he doesn't work out, we'll hire somebody else, but still not you. In fact, we will never hire you. But we will call you from time to time to complain about the person that we hired."
In terms of relationships - or getting into a relationship rather - nice guys are considered the best friend rather than boyfriend. The nice guys are the ones the girl will go and rant to just to feel better, but nto actually take them as more than a close friend. And then there's that whole "if this relationship went any further, it may ruin our friendship" thing.
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Well said i have a few depressive sayings i like.
"Chicks dig a$$holes"
and
"I'm the perfect guy for the other girl" I seem to get the second alot, girls are like aww you deserve better, you would be a great guy for someone. And i'm there thinking cough cough i like you.
But yeah nice guys finish last, I'm too nice. Like i'm alot more mean here than i am in real life. Nice many times means shy or innocent thus overlooked. So if you want to consider 'finishing' as any kinda of sextual relationship i'm defently one to say I've finished last. I'm a virgin and had my first kiss when i was 21 *go nice guys*
and for the quote of the day.
Girls seldom look for guys behind the rolls of fat, disablity, or behind the locked door playing halo. They always seem to look for the drunks at bars whom are only there because of there pathidic life or because they want some girl to f**k.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-15 at 11:53:44
In response to your last sentance.
It used to be like that. But I think that it's starting to go back to that way (Won't be in our lifetime, but it will go back)
I'm a nice, nice fellow. But right now i'm just looking for a chick that want's a one nighter (Or maybe more if she likes it
)
Call me a pig. I don't care. I fall in love to easy during relationships so i'm not going to get into one until later in my life.
It used to be like that. But I think that it's starting to go back to that way (Won't be in our lifetime, but it will go back)
I'm a nice, nice fellow. But right now i'm just looking for a chick that want's a one nighter (Or maybe more if she likes it
)Call me a pig. I don't care. I fall in love to easy during relationships so i'm not going to get into one until later in my life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-09-15 at 12:27:07
This is a difficult one. 'Nice guys' finish last if they're too nice, but what is a 'nice guy?'
I think the following traits can be attributed to the so-called 'nice guys' which many girls like but do not want to engage in sexual activity with:
- Good listener (i.e. Like her own female friends)
- Compromising (Will not argue forcefully with her)
- Shy (Hopes that girl will pick up the signal that he likes her indirectly)
- Low self-esteem (Doesn't think that she likes him anyway)
I think in this case you could relabel 'nice guy' as 'sucker.' It's harsh, and I freely admit to being one of these suckers, but kindly, generous traits will win you some friends and ensure that you are looked upon as a 'nice guy,' but girls will be less likely to fall for you because they see you as one of their girl-friends.
That's my theory anyway.
I think the following traits can be attributed to the so-called 'nice guys' which many girls like but do not want to engage in sexual activity with:
- Good listener (i.e. Like her own female friends)
- Compromising (Will not argue forcefully with her)
- Shy (Hopes that girl will pick up the signal that he likes her indirectly)
- Low self-esteem (Doesn't think that she likes him anyway)
I think in this case you could relabel 'nice guy' as 'sucker.' It's harsh, and I freely admit to being one of these suckers, but kindly, generous traits will win you some friends and ensure that you are looked upon as a 'nice guy,' but girls will be less likely to fall for you because they see you as one of their girl-friends.
That's my theory anyway.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-09-15 at 13:11:13
Well, I have a bit of experience being the nice guy.
In 6th grade, I had a crush on this one girl.
For the remaining two years of middle school I tried to work up the nerve to ask her out, but, I had low self-esteem. So, she ended up going out with my best friend at the time, because he 'Made her laugh', and another friend of mine, because he was, literally, the biggest guy in the school several times.
But, hell, we were friends. In fact, everybody in the school could tell I wanted to take her out, except her. Or if she did, that's rather cruel.
Eh, just my experience.
In 6th grade, I had a crush on this one girl.
For the remaining two years of middle school I tried to work up the nerve to ask her out, but, I had low self-esteem. So, she ended up going out with my best friend at the time, because he 'Made her laugh', and another friend of mine, because he was, literally, the biggest guy in the school several times.
But, hell, we were friends. In fact, everybody in the school could tell I wanted to take her out, except her. Or if she did, that's rather cruel.
Eh, just my experience.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2005-09-15 at 18:58:22
i would consider myself a nice guy. im not abuseive or ne thing and im not a drug dealer or ne thing like that. (in my school thats the def of a nice guy) some ppl say im nerdy, i'd have to agree but a lot of ppl think im funny so 
idk what to think. but yeah i've only had 2 gf's and that was in like 6th grade when it really didn't matter. and now im feel like i did somthin to make the girls stop being attracted to me or somthin. cause i developed my "nice guy" character over the past few years and i guess i do finish last
idk what to think. but yeah i've only had 2 gf's and that was in like 6th grade when it really didn't matter. and now im feel like i did somthin to make the girls stop being attracted to me or somthin. cause i developed my "nice guy" character over the past few years and i guess i do finish last Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-09-15 at 21:01:17
Here comes what is probably my longest post to date. Grab a pepsi or something:
In terms of biology (bear with me), nice guys seem to have the worst luck with women because they are percieved to have weaker genes. The human species has been male dominant throughout its history, and women want a MAN to reproduce with. A MAN dominates his section of the world. He has control (or at least appears to) over himself, his circumstances, and the women in his life (except maybe his mom, lol). A "nice guy" displays no ability to control anything, not even himself. This is worsened when a nice guy claims to have power over things. Even if this is true, his delivery to the woman he desires is as unoffensive as he can make it, and thus loses it's affect. A "nice guy" is intimidated by the fear of not getting what he wants and will fail 99% of the time when he tries to get the girl.
Now, in terms of my own personal experience: I was a "nice guy" from the ages of 13-16 (the "Dark Ages") and I can say that I had more girls that were friends than I care to admit. After months of practically begging one girl, she finally went out on a few dates with me and I slept with her a few times (my first, by the way). She was a party girl and I didn't like to party. I never have actually. The difference in partying thing was the excuse she gave for dumping me. A few weeks later I found out she was pregnant. I had my doubts and I let her know to her face (rather coldly) that I thought she was a (bad word for prostitute) and drug addict. I didn't return her calls for awhile and didn't come over to her house anymore. This drove her crazy (biologically, I had taken control of the life situation from her) and she insisted we get back together. She couldn't stop using drugs and I couldn't look the other way anymore so I dumped her and didn't speak with her until shortly before the baby was born. We were both 17 when he was born. I insisted on a DNA test and found out I was the father. Since she never stopped using drugs, they showed up in the baby's blood tests. DHS was called in later on and a long hellish fight ensued between us and the state. Eventually, I won (she didn't) the case and he was given back with us having joint custody over him...
I promise, I'm still on subject.
After all of that, I'm very open about my prejudice against drug users. If I'm talking to a girl and I find out she likes to party, I will usually just walk away or say some smartass putdown. Sometimes I'll make fun of them for what they're wearing or what they're doing. Guess what: Those girls will usually become interested in me after that. Nowadays, I deliberately don't return calls most of the time. I DELIBERATELY cancel dates just for the heck of it. Girls do it all the time. You know, they "flake out." And I dump them once I've had enough of them, which usually doesn't take long. I'm not a very nice guy anymore, not when it comes to what I want from women. What I want for myself or my son takes precidence over what some bimbo wants. The not calling and date cancelling works on nicer girls too, btw.
And getting back to the situation between me and my son's mom. Recently, I took her to court and got full custody over our son, leaving her with basically NO parental rights. After everything that's happened, all I've done to show how much I disapprove of her, she offered me a blowjob after the proceedings were over. I'm not kidding. Girls don't work on reason. They react to emotion.
The lesson: Make them FEEL something, even if it's not in their best interest. Nice guys try to "convince" a girl that they would be good boyfriends. But tell me this: would a girl ever say "Hmm, he's got a job, he's got a house, he goes to church, he likes the same movies as me, I think I'll fall madly, uncontrollably in love with him." Of course not. There's nothing wrong with being a nice person, I consider myself one. But I don't use it to try and attract women's attention. NO NO NO
I hope you nice guys can gather something from that revealing life-story post. And girls, feel free to flame me, but you know I'm right.
In terms of biology (bear with me), nice guys seem to have the worst luck with women because they are percieved to have weaker genes. The human species has been male dominant throughout its history, and women want a MAN to reproduce with. A MAN dominates his section of the world. He has control (or at least appears to) over himself, his circumstances, and the women in his life (except maybe his mom, lol). A "nice guy" displays no ability to control anything, not even himself. This is worsened when a nice guy claims to have power over things. Even if this is true, his delivery to the woman he desires is as unoffensive as he can make it, and thus loses it's affect. A "nice guy" is intimidated by the fear of not getting what he wants and will fail 99% of the time when he tries to get the girl.
Now, in terms of my own personal experience: I was a "nice guy" from the ages of 13-16 (the "Dark Ages") and I can say that I had more girls that were friends than I care to admit. After months of practically begging one girl, she finally went out on a few dates with me and I slept with her a few times (my first, by the way). She was a party girl and I didn't like to party. I never have actually. The difference in partying thing was the excuse she gave for dumping me. A few weeks later I found out she was pregnant. I had my doubts and I let her know to her face (rather coldly) that I thought she was a (bad word for prostitute) and drug addict. I didn't return her calls for awhile and didn't come over to her house anymore. This drove her crazy (biologically, I had taken control of the life situation from her) and she insisted we get back together. She couldn't stop using drugs and I couldn't look the other way anymore so I dumped her and didn't speak with her until shortly before the baby was born. We were both 17 when he was born. I insisted on a DNA test and found out I was the father. Since she never stopped using drugs, they showed up in the baby's blood tests. DHS was called in later on and a long hellish fight ensued between us and the state. Eventually, I won (she didn't) the case and he was given back with us having joint custody over him...
I promise, I'm still on subject.
After all of that, I'm very open about my prejudice against drug users. If I'm talking to a girl and I find out she likes to party, I will usually just walk away or say some smartass putdown. Sometimes I'll make fun of them for what they're wearing or what they're doing. Guess what: Those girls will usually become interested in me after that. Nowadays, I deliberately don't return calls most of the time. I DELIBERATELY cancel dates just for the heck of it. Girls do it all the time. You know, they "flake out." And I dump them once I've had enough of them, which usually doesn't take long. I'm not a very nice guy anymore, not when it comes to what I want from women. What I want for myself or my son takes precidence over what some bimbo wants. The not calling and date cancelling works on nicer girls too, btw.
And getting back to the situation between me and my son's mom. Recently, I took her to court and got full custody over our son, leaving her with basically NO parental rights. After everything that's happened, all I've done to show how much I disapprove of her, she offered me a blowjob after the proceedings were over. I'm not kidding. Girls don't work on reason. They react to emotion.
The lesson: Make them FEEL something, even if it's not in their best interest. Nice guys try to "convince" a girl that they would be good boyfriends. But tell me this: would a girl ever say "Hmm, he's got a job, he's got a house, he goes to church, he likes the same movies as me, I think I'll fall madly, uncontrollably in love with him." Of course not. There's nothing wrong with being a nice person, I consider myself one. But I don't use it to try and attract women's attention. NO NO NO
I hope you nice guys can gather something from that revealing life-story post. And girls, feel free to flame me, but you know I'm right.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-09-15 at 21:12:09
QUOTE(DevliN @ Sep 15 2005, 12:19 AM)
But, we're going to hire somebody who is far less qualified and is probably an alcoholic.
In terms of relationships - or getting into a relationship rather - nice guys are considered the best friend rather than boyfriend. The nice guys are the ones the girl will go and rant to just to feel better, but nto actually take them as more than a close friend. And then there's that whole "if this relationship went any further, it may ruin our friendship" thing.
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In terms of relationships - or getting into a relationship rather - nice guys are considered the best friend rather than boyfriend. The nice guys are the ones the girl will go and rant to just to feel better, but nto actually take them as more than a close friend. And then there's that whole "if this relationship went any further, it may ruin our friendship" thing.
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This is a valid point. Do you think it works the other way? I've had a guy come up to me and tell me that he doesn't want to date me, but that I'm an awesome person and he loves to hang out with me and all that. It was a weird conversation, actually.
There's a lot of really funny chick flicks that cover this. Like Win a Date With Tad Hamilton. The guy's standing in line, and the cash register guy says "alright, who here as used the line 'I don't want to ruin our friendship' just to get laid?" and even the priest raises his hand. *giggle*