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I've heard excuses from great plots to stat building... Before I give my 2 cents, I'd like to see yours.

More interactivity, and getting stronger from fights (pretty much stat building if you want )

Well, in the LITERAL sense, Halo would be a Role-Playing Game, since you're not Master Chief in reality. Morrowind, on the other hand, lets you play as yourself, and therefore would not be LITERALLY considered an RPG.

And yet, Halo is typically classified as shooter, and Morrowind an RPG.

All of those old RPG games on old systems. (Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy, Shining Force)

But you see, you were always playing as someone ELSE in those games. How the hell is Morrowind an RPG if you're playing as yourself??

It's your choice whether you want to play as yourself. If you want to name your character "myFirstName myLastName" and act like your self thats your choice. If you want to go full out old school dungeons and dragons role playing and name your character and act as such its also you choice. I really don't see many people doing the latter, however, it is their choice to do so or not. So how can you say it's not an RPG when you can just as easily play as someone else?

Besides all this, you can't get your character in Morrowind to look exactly as you dress and look. So you can't play as yourself in that game.

In most gaming sites the dull version of an RPG is something with a plot and stats... Whoopie. I agree that San Andreas is an RPG at an extent, but it falls under Sandbox game better.
For me an RPG would need to be sort of long (Although that's not always true I have yet to see a game that I thought was an RPG and short) cusimization of some sort, plot, and character devolpment. A good example would be KOTOR. Looking at my collection I don't have very many RPGs (A whooping 2: KOTOR, and Guild Wars).
Also I don't see how any of that is "excuses" apparently you think everyone else is wrong and your the only one whos right. You'll probably have some rediclous reasoning like "Guild Wars and GTA can't be RPGs, they're too MAINSTREAM, now these games that absoutly no one knows about, this is an RPG"

Basically RPGs include: Stat building with points that are collected and earned, and usually have a great story/music. They also usually include party members.

Then I assume Tony Hawk or several racing games are RPGs?

Here's my definition: RPGs aren't games. Actually, the term "RPG" shouldn't even exist. Instead, it should be replaced with "upgrading".

However, upgrading by itself isn't a gametype. It's not how you play a game, but rather a feature IN the game. Therefore, games with upgrading or RPGs, shouldn't be considered as a genre by themselves.

A game can HAVE stat-building, but calling a game stat-building isn't accurate. A game like D2 shouldn't be called an RPG, but rather an action game, since you are a character that fights hordes of stupid enemies. That action game label can be used on games like FF7, since again, you are fighting weaker enemies.

With the exception of most bosses.

So your saying RPGs can only be RPGs if the enemies you fight are equal in strenght. Making Dead or Alive and Soul Caliber RPGs...

He never said that.

As Crayak said, that's not what I meant.

I don't believe the term RPG should exist, since it doesn't describe HOW the game is played. Having a stat-building system is just a feature, NOT gameplay.

RPG is a genre usually featuring a weapon and armor system with upgradable stats and/or magic/skills and a cliche storyline coupled with ingame videos which continue the flow of the story or long-text based conversations.

You're telling me what a RPG game HAS, not what it is. What I interpret from what you just said is that RPG games are action games that involve upgrading.

The thing is that action games are... action games. There's no other way around it.

Stat-building isn't gameplay. It's just a feature. You don't play stat-building.

RPGs shouldn't have a genre of their own, but rather should be classified as an action game. Action games focuses on you slaughtering hordes stupid enemies.

Apparently you ignored the whole bit with the story part. I'm telling you how I classify an RPG. That, is what it is.

You said storyline, so I assume any game with a decent or cliche storyline is a RPG? Would Def Jam be a RPG? Would Starcraft be a RPG?

I happen to think that RPG is a phrase that's been overused so much that people forgot the meaning of the intial word. It probably means a game that uses an upgrading system, but people forgot that term long ago...

I'm not trying to criticize you personally, Ultimo. I just like to question popular beliefs. If you do feel that I am harassing you, I'll stop my debate with you.

RPG's is a bad term. An RPG is an adventure if you ask me.
An action game would be like Super Smash Brothers Melee or something if you ask me.

Combine of all what I said and you have what I think is an overall RPG, instead of taking half out and then judging them seperately as two points.

To me a true RPG is one where the storyline is the main aspect of the game. If a game focuses a significant amount of time developing a neat battle system could be called an action/adventure rpg, which is different.

I think AD&D's are RPGs if you ask me.
Games like NeverWinter Nights.

I just felt like pointing that out, if you ask me.

I don't believe your name is Revlade

It's a feature, of gameplay. Why do you even both asking these questions, if people try to classify it and you say "Nope your all wrong, RPGs shouldn't exsist" and what exactly did you mean when you said:
"D2 shouldn't be called an RPG, but rather an action game, since you are a character that fights hordes of stupid enemies. That action game label can be used on games like FF7, since again, you are fighting weaker enemies"
If you didn't mean anything by it why bother bringing it up. I really don't see what your trying to prove, if one day I decided that the phrase "Beat Em Up" is a bad phrase should I make a thread saying "They should be called, easy, more linear, fighting games with no arean. They are EMLFGWNA."

If you ask me sounds better than in my opinion, if you ask me.

You are correct, I would classify FF7 in the same category of action. RPGs tell what features are in a game, but not what the game is about. What I'm trying to prove is that there is no such thing as a RPG genre. It means to you people that a game has a stat-building system, a plot and is usually an action game. However, within those three descriptions, the genre would be the action game.

Stat-building and plots can be universally applied to any game. Want stats? Tony Hawk's Pro Skater has them. Want a plot? Super Monkey Ball has you going through hoops to defeat an evil monkey. What's left is an action game, but that could simply be "action game".

If you would like to argue with me, give me an example of your opinion.

Does Tony Hawk and Super Monkey ball have some sort of armor and weapon system?