Report, edit, etc...Posted by Brother_Green on 2005-12-01 at 05:08:29
Unfortunately you'll have to bear with me until I learn how to properly do the JPG's.
So heres the DL. Sorry =/
So heres the DL. Sorry =/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Valug on 2005-12-01 at 08:28:45
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-12-01 at 15:05:23
This is by far the best map that I've seen from you. Kind of reminds me of Solar Disarray. By the way, there's a .jpg converter available in the DLDB.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by decafchicken on 2005-12-01 at 15:20:58
Poorly placed natural, the gas island is horribly planned, and it's a pretty narrow map. Besides that its not bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-12-01 at 15:31:01
I wouldn't say a poorly placed natural, it kind of looks LT'ish, although I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Brother_Green on 2005-12-01 at 16:47:25
I'll agree with the top left gas island >.>, I just kind of threw that one together.
Thanks for the comments.
I tested this and the naturals worked fine.
Thanks for the comments.
I tested this and the naturals worked fine.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2005-12-01 at 18:00:28
I don't think the nat is badly placed, I dunno.. The gas islands are kinda screwy, I like it, but you have to make sure it's the same distance for both islands, SCM Draft 2 is very good for this. Much improved, GJ.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-12-01 at 20:40:02
Reminds me of Solar Disarray too. Over my winter break I'll probably finish that.. I feel odd cause I spent so much time on it an never finished it.
Anywho, not bad, I like it but I dislike the placement of resources on the island expo. I know that most maps have a nat where zerg can quick expand and defend thier bases easily but I think its cool you don't, it sorta fits this map.
I admit you succeded where I failed, I couldn't compensate for the thinness. But, mine is sexier.
Anywho, not bad, I like it but I dislike the placement of resources on the island expo. I know that most maps have a nat where zerg can quick expand and defend thier bases easily but I think its cool you don't, it sorta fits this map.
I admit you succeded where I failed, I couldn't compensate for the thinness. But, mine is sexier.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by decafchicken on 2005-12-01 at 20:49:19
Instead of telling, i'll show you. I roughly modified half the map to show you some improvements.
ADDITION:
Note: It's just a rough draft so their are some problems, like min only cliff being able to hit the nat with tanks.
ADDITION:
Note: It's just a rough draft so their are some problems, like min only cliff being able to hit the nat with tanks.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-12-01 at 20:52:38
I agree with those changes. And its now neccesary for a hawkeye middle expo!!!!! jk.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Brother_Green on 2005-12-01 at 20:57:15
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I think that you just slightly butchered that. The only thing that got better was the top left gas island.
You made blues base 2x larger than reds, and blues nat is now harder to defend because its way more open. You left one rusty pit but took the other away which really kerfarklered the middle area, which is supposed to be tight enough so tanks can hit in, or a templar with storm, or a defiler, etc. Its way too wide now, which is not what I was aiming for.
AND the left side middle minerals now has easier high ground, which gives you a bonus on the defense.
All you had to do to fix it was change the layout of the gas island, which in truth didnt hamper anything anyway.
I think that you just slightly butchered that. The only thing that got better was the top left gas island.
You made blues base 2x larger than reds, and blues nat is now harder to defend because its way more open. You left one rusty pit but took the other away which really kerfarklered the middle area, which is supposed to be tight enough so tanks can hit in, or a templar with storm, or a defiler, etc. Its way too wide now, which is not what I was aiming for.
AND the left side middle minerals now has easier high ground, which gives you a bonus on the defense.
All you had to do to fix it was change the layout of the gas island, which in truth didnt hamper anything anyway.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-12-01 at 20:59:06
Read what he said you ignorant fool.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by decafchicken on 2005-12-01 at 21:07:01
QUOTE(Brother_Green @ Dec 1 2005, 09:57 PM)
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I think that you just slightly butchered that. The only thing that got better was the top left gas island.
You made blues base 2x larger than reds, and blues nat is now harder to defend because its way more open. You left one rusty pit but took the other away which really kerfarklered the middle area, which is supposed to be tight enough so tanks can hit in, or a templar with storm, or a defiler, etc. Its way too wide now, which is not what I was aiming for.
AND the left side middle minerals now has easier high ground, which gives you a bonus on the defense.
All you had to do to fix it was change the layout of the gas island, which in truth didnt hamper anything anyway.
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I think that you just slightly butchered that. The only thing that got better was the top left gas island.
You made blues base 2x larger than reds, and blues nat is now harder to defend because its way more open. You left one rusty pit but took the other away which really kerfarklered the middle area, which is supposed to be tight enough so tanks can hit in, or a templar with storm, or a defiler, etc. Its way too wide now, which is not what I was aiming for.
AND the left side middle minerals now has easier high ground, which gives you a bonus on the defense.
All you had to do to fix it was change the layout of the gas island, which in truth didnt hamper anything anyway.
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I hate stupid people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-12-01 at 21:11:17
lol you needed to quote that to say that?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Brother_Green on 2005-12-01 at 21:15:12
QUOTE(decafchicken @ Dec 1 2005, 05:49 PM)
Instead of telling, i'll show you. I roughly modified half the map to show you some improvements.
ADDITION:
Note: It's just a rough draft so their are some problems, like min only cliff being able to hit the nat with tanks.
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ADDITION:
Note: It's just a rough draft so their are some problems, like min only cliff being able to hit the nat with tanks.
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I hate stupid people who throw comments
THis is what I read. Sure its a rough draft, but thats more than just some problems, you changed the map so much, so I pointed out why its bad. Take some critism on your critism(sp?).
It was a fine map except for the expo. Its damn simple.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by decafchicken on 2005-12-01 at 21:23:07
Umm you went on a paragraph long rant about how it was unbalanced because I only changed half the map. Which i did on purpose so i didnt have to modify the whole map to get my point across
ADDITION:
It is not a fine map except for the expo. The nat and island sucked, and the middle is incredibly narrow.
ADDITION:
It is not a fine map except for the expo. The nat and island sucked, and the middle is incredibly narrow.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Brother_Green on 2005-12-01 at 21:26:50
The middle is supposed to be narrow you dork. It forces you to take the chance of going through, or go up the ramps. It works for everyone, and tanks cant rule that much, because both sides have ramps. Even if they used M&M& Tanks, all they're holding is the middle.
A natural is fine if it is defensible by the main, they both are. Push out the defense a little, or just be good.
The gas island WAS screwy, and damn bad looking. But we all knew that. You shouldnt have changed it if you didnt want to screw it up.
A natural is fine if it is defensible by the main, they both are. Push out the defense a little, or just be good.
The gas island WAS screwy, and damn bad looking. But we all knew that. You shouldnt have changed it if you didnt want to screw it up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2005-12-01 at 22:47:57
Dude you're making an ass of yourself, his changes were better, and you should accept the criticism. I didn't take criticism well at all at first, but when I realized the people were right my maps got way better. Trust me on this one. They don't cushion their criticisms, that's why not many people like the criticisms, but if you can accept them and try to learn from them it will really help you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Brother_Green on 2005-12-01 at 23:47:27
You obviously dont know me, critisicm is fine. But when you criticise, you should be prepared to be wrong. In this case, he is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-12-02 at 17:24:39
Just to be an ass, I'll partake in this petty argument. I'd have to take Brother_Green's side here, I think if someone's going to try to change someone's map to make it better than he shouldn't make parts of it worse, as if it matters, stop arguing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2005-12-03 at 10:41:21
yea dork
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Hofodomo on 2005-12-03 at 12:24:39
besides, for both of you, if you can critisize the other's map that much, should've just made your own map based on your own criticisms (sp, damn i cant spell)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by decafchicken on 2005-12-03 at 18:38:08
Damnit, this kid pwns me at map making knowledge. He's obviously right and better than me. I shall cease to demean his almighty knowledge about balance and aesthetics.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Brother_Green on 2005-12-04 at 21:38:11
Oh for christ sake.
You change my map, make it worse, insult me, and when critisized about it, you come back with a smug remark. Seriously grow up man.
If you critisize be confident enough to back it up, and if its wrong, get over it.
You change my map, make it worse, insult me, and when critisized about it, you come back with a smug remark. Seriously grow up man.
If you critisize be confident enough to back it up, and if its wrong, get over it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by decafchicken on 2005-12-05 at 18:43:53
QUOTE(Brother_Green @ Dec 4 2005, 10:38 PM)
Oh for christ sake.
You change my map, make it worse, insult me, and when critisized about it, you come back with a smug remark. Seriously grow up man.
If you critisize be confident enough to back it up, and if its wrong, get over it.
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You change my map, make it worse, insult me, and when critisized about it, you come back with a smug remark. Seriously grow up man.
If you critisize be confident enough to back it up, and if its wrong, get over it.
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I'm over it. You were right and i was wrong.
(that should cover up all the things necessary to make yourself feel better right?)