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When you look at movies and books, they share the central ingredient, a plot. Most games, at least video games, take this a step further and introduce player interaction. I believe it was Suda 51, maker of Killer 7, who said, "video games are the most challenging form of art". Why is it that society seems to shun games as an immature hobby?

My family at least seems to condone video games, but not games such as chess, odd?

What I hope is that gaming becomes more mainstream and a phrase that can be said and recognized easily.

should of made this a topic

anyway yes i do consider video games as an art. especially RPGs. some of them have complex and interesting storylines.

on the other hand some videogames are poorly made like most (I SAID MOST NOT ALL) fighting games where you jsut beat up the other person.

i would judges video games on thier:
creativeness
fun factor
storyline
music

artistic games:
Super Mario- all of them music is fantastic
Legend Of Zeldas
Skies of arcadia

theres a bunch but i can remember...
i noticed that a lot of games made now do not really focus on the creativeness but on graphics. i love classic games on the SNES.

Games have always been art, gaming, however, depends on how the player thinks when he/she plays.

If the gamer can get in the "zone" where they feel the atmosphere of the game, then it is art. It makes their mind imagine and allow their brain to adopt the atmosphere. If the player is getting bored, thinking about cheating but is too lazy to get off his/her butt, then they just want to beat the game just to say they've beaten the game.

The rest is easy to imagine from there the difference of the two

Video Games started around 1980. They evolved into Next Generation. This would be considered an art to me. Since it was just a little digital pixel game of back to back tennis, then to the Nintendo stage, then to the Sony, then Microsoft, this should be an art because of its variety of games that people could play. The community of multiplayer games also matter because now, World OF Warcraft, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, and Dark Age of Camelot are now four of the best MMORPGs out on the market. Evolving from NES, all the way to Xbox 360, and more and more computer games allowable online.

Final Verdict: Yes.

TIS ART

now-a-days Vidio games are mostly judged by their Graphics, i myself judge games on graphics too, but story-line is the most important factor to me. A story is like a work of art in words to me, so ya games are like Art.

Graphics are the main art of Video Games, no? They are what makes video games visual. In the word video games, video comes first...Video is Visual...

Games are pieces of engineering which have to be built around specific parameters in order to function correctly, just like all engineering marvels. Art, however, can be done in any way.

In art, you already have the materials that you will work with. During the engineering process, you have to create your materials and then work with them.
This last statement can be transfered to a game, you need to create the engine before the storyline, characters and the enviroment.

In essence, creating games is an engineering proccess and not art.

Engineering > Art

I had this really long post that SEN decided to not post because it was down so instead i'll say some basic things (Now that i'm done running outside from anger). Video Games is an art in ways. Art is normally made to entertain or make someone think, also express themselves. Paintings are art normally for expression, same with music. However there are some pictures and music that just want to make you have fun or think. Video games do that, a game that could make you think is something like Freedom Fighters with it's huge conspiracy theory, though the plot isn't that big it made me a think a tiny bit. Then there's entertaining games like Zelda, which are really there just for you to have fun. And games that express emotions I can't think of any buy God of War because David Jaffe got really pissed off one day and thought how cool that would be to show it in a game.

Super Mario Brothers is like an art. It was a 2d side scroller with a plumber jumping for mushrooms, fire flowers, and stars...Now everyone loves him.

i dont really care for graphics... i mean as long as its suitable (think SC) im ok with it. but what if there was a game that had the best graphics in the world but it sucked. would you consider it as an art or as a sad excuse for a game?

Halo and Halo2 are masterpieces

It definitely is especially for modern games since bad graphics will fail the game.

Yes by the graphics.

Art is art, games are games.

That doesn't say anything. Do you say "Look at this cool art" or "Look at this cool picture". "Art" is a description or adjective, not a noun. Your basically saying BLue is Blue and Apples are Apples. There isn't really a connection.

So are you saying that Movies, Music, and Plays are not art since they don't have graphics?
People should think about the word Art.

If games was art then games would be called art.

Since the majority of you seem to agree and say it is an art, why is it so secret in society? Why do people seem to avoid talking about it when they talk about THE arts?

Since most professional artists don't believe games are, and you're only surveying a small group of gamers which obviously love games.

art is a very broad word. some people may catagorize it differnt then others. take modern art as an example, some of it is a bunch of garbage welded together but many people will pay thousands for it.

damn... perspective sucks

I like games with a good storyline and gameplay. I don't mind having crappy graphics. I just want to be able to play the game. On my PC. Halo doesnt look like X-BOX graphics, but i still managed to beat the game. Now thanks to that im really involved with Halo.

So I just like the storyline and gameplay. Its the graphics that annoy me.

It is still considered art because it is graphical art conscribed by an art program. The actual game play and story line is just meant to blend in with the art and is used to entertain people of all ages. Take Doom3 or Quake 4 for an example, without their excellent graphics, I would never play it because it isn't artistic.

By "Artists" I assume you mean "Painters" or "Scuptors" who if you survey THEM they won't think video games are art, the only difference is that you could paint before you could play video games. Anything new age or done on the computer that you can't do on paper is not considered art to them.

THat's very bland, pictures are not the only art you know, music is art, but for some reason I don't think people listen to music to see the blue lines move up and down.

Perhaps it is art that actively engages and challenges the viewer.

Video Games are an art. Any good video game that is created uses sketchers to design characters and to create storyboards. The creation of video games and the character designs and level designs are Art but playing a game is not art. As of graphics go I think the better they are the more they immerse you into the story which helps bring out more of the Art to you. In such most video game design is a fine art, kind of like a performance of broadway dancers.

Alot of professional artists didn't consider comic books to be an art form when they first started to appear (they thought it to be a juvenile medium), but some of the greatest stories out there are told through comics. They've even spawned a ton of movies, as video games have. If you've got a cool comic idea, then you are quite the cool cat by today's standards.

The reason I think most video game movies fail is because when you are playing the game and the character you command is in danger, you feel like you are in danger. You identify on a deeper level I think with a video game character than with most movie characters (if you allow yourself to). There have been a lot of good games out there, and I think what really needs to happen for it to be more appreciated is for the gaming generation to get older and control most of the country (as the baby boomers do now). Comic books are much more widely accepted as their fans have now gotten older and have more influence in the world.

As I said, you can identify deeply with a well fleshed video game character and when their lives are in peril, you feel as though it is your own life as well. I believe there is great potential in that kind of art that has yet to be tapped. With a movie, every single thing that shows on the screen has already been shot and edited. You have no control over what happens. But in a video game, the interaction with the fictional world is there. And when a character succeeds in the game, you feel as though it is your victory too. Movies are gonna have some SERIOUS competition (as works of art) once the gaming generation gains more of a foothold in the country, if you ask me.