I keep on hearing all the time about how countries are communist. I really don't see what the heck is wrong with that, but for instance in civilization 2-4, they have communism as a government type. Its not. Communism is a of money system. Saying a country is communist is like saying America is capitalist. Most of europe happens to be a capitalist system. China is a republic that uses communism.
So, why do you guys think it is referred to as a government or do you think it is a governmnet.
Well, wouldn't it be like a Dictatorship?
Uhhh... No. A country can be a democracy and use the communist money system. As I said, China is a Republic that uses the communist money system.
In communism, the idea is that everyone gets paid the exact same, the same benefits, ect. It doesn't work to well on the whole mainly because it goes against human nature. Communism is just an extreme version of socialism.
Capitalism goes with human nature but then you have problems like 50% of the money in the country belongs to 2% of the population. This is 1 of the key factors when the stock market crashed.
Everyone thinks of communism as a dictatorship mainly because the 1st government ever to use communism was the USSR (Russia) and happened to be lead by a brutal dictator, Stalin, and Cuba being a dictatorship and using the communist government system.
I'm not really sure, I always thought of communism as a political system... Maybe it's because the communism nations that existed were Dictatorships?
Ya, as I was editing my 2nd post (3rd over all) you wrote this. Its not a poitical system. It just happens to have a bad history thats stuck with it.
I guess thats your answer there.
Just wondering, in civilization 2 3 and 4, is there a government called "Dictatorship"?
Well, theres depositism which is close enough. That isn't really my answer. It'd explain why everyone thinkgs communism is evil, but not why everyone thinks its a government. Its history is somewhat bad, but the USSR no longer exists when it changed to russia and became capitalist and Cuba hasn't done anything horrible sine the "Cuban missile crisis" which wasn't completely Cuba's fault. It was mainly Russia actualy if you get into the fine details.
Meh, maybe I should play conquests again. I always pwned.
QUOTE(Shadow-Killa_04 @ Dec 25 2005, 11:56 PM)
I keep on hearing all the time about how countries are communist. I really don't see what the heck is wrong with that, but for instance in civilization 2-4, they have communism as a government type. Its not. Communism is a of money system. Saying a country is communist is like saying America is capitalist. Most of europe happens to be a capitalist system. China is a republic that uses communism.
So, why do you guys think it is referred to as a government or do you think it is a governmnet.
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Fyi, Communism is in Civilization 1, too. -_-
Communism IS a form of government.
PROVE it's a "Money System". If you can, that's a miricle.
QUOTE(Shadow-Killa_04 @ Dec 26 2005, 12:02 AM)
Uhhh... No. A country can be a democracy and use the communist money system. As I said, China is a Republic that uses the communist money system.
In communism, the idea is that everyone gets paid the exact same, the same benefits, ect. It doesn't work to well on the whole mainly because it goes against human nature. Communism is just an extreme version of socialism.
Capitalism goes with human nature but then you have problems like 50% of the money in the country belongs to 2% of the population. This is 1 of the key factors when the stock market crashed.
Everyone thinks of communism as a dictatorship mainly because the 1st government ever to use communism was the USSR (Russia) and happened to be lead by a brutal dictator, Stalin, and Cuba being a dictatorship and using the communist government system.
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China is a COMMUNIST country.
"People's Republic Of China" my farking ass.
I never played civilization 1 so I don't know, I just knew it was in 2-4. I'm not going to try to convince you because I know I can't and you can't do it to me. There are communist parties only because some people think communism is better than capitalism. China is a republic whether you beleve me or not.
Heres a history lesson. When the Zhar was thrown over during WW1 3 main people came into power, Stalin, Lenin and someone I don't remember his name. All of those people believed in Communism because they thought it was the most fair because the idea is that everyone is equal and gets paid the same. (whats wrong with this?) The dude I don't remember wanted to make Russia a democracy/republic thingy that uses communism. Stalin however exiled him and became a dictator unfortunely.
As I've said before communism has had a very bad history. In communism the state owns everything. It owns every warehouse, department store, ect. This is not a dictatorship however. The reason why this is so that no one can become super super rich, like the person who owns k-mart. Everyone gets paid relatively the same amount. Whether your a miner or a manager or a CEO of some huge ass company. With everyone getting paid the same we don't have people like bill gates and some hobo on the street. However, this goes against human nature because this system doesn't agree with greed since there isn't a way to become super super rich in a society that everyone is equal.
Why couldn't a government use a system like this and be a democracy, well they can.
I agree with Dorkhawk communism is like Dictatorship. The leaders offer so much stuff to the people while it isnt possible. And people always try to find a easy way out, and also they wearnt to smart in thoes day good education was still hard to come by.
QUOTE(Shadow-Killa_04 @ Dec 26 2005, 10:35 AM)
I never played civilization 1 so I don't know, I just knew it was in 2-4. I'm not going to try to convince you because I know I can't and you can't do it to me. There are communist parties only because some people think communism is better than capitalism. China is a republic whether you beleve me or not.
Heres a history lesson. When the Zhar was thrown over during WW1 3 main people came into power, Stalin, Lenin and someone I don't remember his name. All of those people believed in Communism because they thought it was the most fair because the idea is that everyone is equal and gets paid the same. (whats wrong with this?) The dude I don't remember wanted to make Russia a democracy/republic thingy that uses communism. Stalin however exiled him and became a dictator unfortunely.
As I've said before communism has had a very bad history. In communism the state owns everything. It owns every warehouse, department store, ect. This is not a dictatorship however. The reason why this is so that no one can become super super rich, like the person who owns k-mart. Everyone gets paid relatively the same amount. Whether your a miner or a manager or a CEO of some huge ass company. With everyone getting paid the same we don't have people like bill gates and some hobo on the street. However, this goes against human nature because this system doesn't agree with greed since there isn't a way to become super super rich in a society that everyone is equal.
Why couldn't a government use a system like this and be a democracy, well they can.
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Communism and Democracy cannot intertwine. They go against eachother's teachings.
QUOTE(BoyScout @ Dec 26 2005, 10:44 AM)
I agree with Dorkhawk communism is like Dictatorship. The leaders offer so much stuff to the people while it isnt possible. And people always try to find a easy way out, and also they wearnt to smart in thoes day good education was still hard to come by.
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You agree with him because you're a dolt.
Cheeze pizzowned this topic, yet you still argue against the facts -_-
farking whities these days.
My bad i just noticed
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Cheeze pizzowned this topic
i didnt read that part my bad XD
Bah, he's a greenie, but a whitie at heart.
Economically speaking, Communism doesn't exist - so it isn't a money system; In fact, I don't believe the phrase "money system" can refer to anything unless you mean "market system". Basically you have free market systems, command market systems, and mixed market systems. The command market system is in essence what most people refer to as "communism."
I was always under the impression that it was an economic system, isn't communism where the state controls and runs everything? Can't there be a communist democracy?
you're all gloriously misinformed (cheese aside, perhaps)
have any of you read the communist manifesto? do you know who karl marx is?
in any case, total communism is without government - in his book, it was first advocated that the government take total control of the economy, and hands out to people based on what they need. eventually, the government is not needed in this system (it is supposed to become self-regulating) and the gov't in place is dissolved.
Yes yes, Communism is a simple concept. Too bad it's impossible by nature to execute.
The Eastern Bloc and China, among others, are a testament to that.
QUOTE(Arbitrary @ Dec 30 2005, 02:06 PM)
Yes yes, Communism is a simple concept. Too bad it's impossible by nature to execute.
The Eastern Bloc and China, among others, are a testament to that.
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to those who claim it's 'perfect in theory, but it's just been screwed up' - any theory which cannot incorporate basic human nature is not 'perfect'
pfft if i were in a communist country i'd be playing around instead of working. Thats what i'd do. thats what most people do, chinas changing that.
Argh, I get it now.
Sorry, I just understood a joke from one of my Wodehouse books from reading stuff on Wikipedia: "In the case of the prisoner Leon Trotzky, which I highly suspect is a assumed and fictitous name..."
And Animal Farm makes a lot more sense now.
Wikipedia owns.
Communism is a type of Goverment. But it's just not used as much (Unlike Democracy) Communism can be horrible or it can be actually be really good. Democracy is also the same it can be Horrible or it can be really good.But We shouldn't take examples of Communism that other countries have experinced, since each countries would experince differently from one another.
An Example would be the USSR- They're system was onced followed by Communism, it seemed quiet horrible, where many people suffered and starving etc..(Although I think it was actually Dictatorship of Stalin that lead them to that)
But When you compare that with Communist China- It's Completly differen't they're nation may seem poor but it's actually quiet decent as it's actually rapidly industrializing and expanding and they're economy is one of the most strongest in all of asia.
Soooo It's really deppends on how well Communism would work. That also includes on Democracy.
I Personally Perfer a Mixed Goverment Though.
"Peoples Republic of China"
Doesn't sound like Communism to me.
Communism is dead. Socialism, is not. (They are close to being the same)
China is a Socialist country, that is on their way to capitalism. Canada is a Socialist country, also.
No it wasen't.... ever heard of the CPC?. Communism would never be dead, as long as other's still believe in it.