Staredit Network

Luna.

Nice little alternative to the average LT game, right?

Wrong.

Me, being a terran player, makes me feel like taking a shiz when I see this map.

Everything about it makes me get pissed.

1: The map design. Not too bad, but 8 expansions. for 4 players. The last couple of 2v2's that I played on it, we seriously ran out of expansions. And first time I played, I couldn't find my 2nd natural...call me noob, but it isn't that obvious.

2: Build space. Terran = Depots. Depot = 2x3. Pylon = 2x2 Ovie = ...my point made.

The whole middle of the map...is crevices...CREVICES...I can't build on it. Why do I hate this? 1: My main isn't all that big, and 2: My main terran strat. Tank, rine, medic, etc, and TURRETS. NO TURRET BUILDING. Hm...Good luck with that.

3: No ridges. Ok, ok, I can deal with this. Your base is on highground, but that can help all races. Ok, that's fine. But when you don't even let me get tank/turret in the mid of map...I need to take a shiz again.

All anti-terran, and no room, and no reason for me to constant scv (instinct) when all the exps are mined out. And my shizty ally asks for one of the exps I just secured.

I hear it's better 1v1. Not like I would know, the only people that host maps besides lt or fastest or other garbage close to the latter, are hosting a map like this, which I admire them doing at all, but "2v2 luna!". And again, they're all 5 minute build order players...but that's ok, because it's another free win. Anyway, my point was how the map is anti-terran...and probably anti all the other races, but I really don't care about them .

But please. Not this map. I'd rather play on Mercury first.

Ok ok, not really. But i'd play LT instead. (and that's saying something)

Usually, it's the maps the are being played the most that are complained about the most for imbalances, or even the overuse of the map. First it was Lost Temple, but it was replaced by Luna in PGT. Then people complained about Luna being imbalanced. Now everyone is playing Rush Hour, and people are complaining about that, also. But there usually is this one map that everyone plays and is familiar with, and right now those maps are Lotem and Luna. What you could do is join a clan that is posistive about playing new maps, or play PGT when Koreans aren't on. They're open to other maps, too. Trying playing Arena, or other maps that can be found on BWMN.


Not sure about the imbalance thing, but it is somewhat anti-terran with the center and no cliffs. Can't really comment past that since I am toss player.

I can understand your rage for the map not having enough expos. The same can go with other well known, or even more known, maps like Dahlia of Jungle. Those maps probably are meant for 1v1 play, not 2v2.

Yea, I didn't like how this map has so much unbuildable terrain. It's funny how some of these "pro" maps always have some flaws to it.

I think this map came around when terran was dominating, somewhere in the Nada/iloveoov era, and perhaps it was chosen so that other races have a chance. Nowadays, it is different after the more agressive zerg and toss styles came rolling in, like JulyZerg, Savior, Anytime, and Pusan.

These flaws you talk about probably weren't considered flaws in the beginning when the map was made. And still today isn't a flaw. The reason lies within the balance of the map and the player syncing their balance with the map's balance. Balance as in the balance that one player must express on the map when they are playing in order to be optimum efficientcy. Some maps have a fragile mineral and spacing balance that is easily broke by lesser experienced players to the map. Just like LT, theres many players who still break their balance because they aren't used to the map itself. Play Luna a few more times and you'll see why some of those "flaws" exist. Oh but I don't understand the mess't up terrain for LT though... on the top.... -_-. Besides, not all wars are pretty and beautiful and evenly set. Theres always and advantage to some player. They are just the little things in a war that make them so interesting and challenging.

And all, are part of the meleer's learning experience.
[/center][center]

Ah, when I wrote the post it was like midnight and I was totally blanked out.

I forgot to mention how there's two "unbuildable" 1x2 size doodads right by the choke.

That stops terran from doing a wall. Ok, it doesn't stop from a wall, but stops from a quick wall. You CAN make a wall, but you need to build around it and it takes more buildings and it won't be done fast enough to stop the zealot or ling rush, as intended.

Forgot that one anti-terran thing on the map.

and red2blue, I understand what you're saying, and it's an acceptable point. However, I just don't really like this style of map. I know it's a good map and all...just not really my thing, and about the balancing, technically you could say it is balanced, but I just think it's anti-terran for these several reasons, and probably more that I don't remember



However, I must agree, that is true. I'm not very experienced with the map, but I prefer to be more of a loose player. I.E. : I host a random bliz map I never played and then just go with it, ya know? I wish that I could disable the map preview sometimes as well, because it is very useful but sometimes I want a serious, "Mystery" map to play on.

All in all, I see your point, but I still just don't like the map.

I understand, its about taste and style. If it doesn't suit your style, get out of the oven.
Cause if its a hamper to your true potential then by all means, master something else until you can pick this baby up again.

I'm not trying to be an meanie, but please stop speaking in Metaphors. It gets to the point where it's beyond annoying...

Yes red.. that was pretty lame...

Thats not even the saying.

Luna is a bit overplayed, I think its actually still quite balanced but for a pro map played this often, your right.. An even P an T player match will result with a toss player winning.

well, obviously i can adapt to it. i just don't play at my "true potential"

and i'm only playing it because i'm tired of most of the other stuff...

and yenku is probably right. even T vs even P , p would probably win.

haven't played 1v1 TvP on this map though.

Whats your sn, ill play you, Im free.

lol...i sux0r....

sn on aol is "falcon a 86"

my bnet id....recent bnet id... is "Eisenhower"

half the games i go in...people say "i like ike!"

; )

but really..i'm mega garbage and would probly lose. i'll still play ya just for fun sometime. that goes for all other people on this site as well...

also been thinking about a melee 1v1 tourny...but i dunno how/if i would organize that at all, so i never posted about it. maybe i should make a poll in here if people might wanna do that. but yeah, i'd like to get your screen name sometime to see if we could have some games.

ADDITION:
oh yeah...forgot.

i'm guessing you're a toss player...being that i'm a terran player and you wanna see toss v terran. but i'm still not sure..i think you posted that somewhere else once, ah well. and your bnet id is just "yenku" ? i play on useast.

yenku@useast
I play P mostly, but my Terran skill grew alot, and I am half decent with terran now too.

Count me in, we'll make it an FFA. Although I also play toss so it may be a bit unbalanced. But considering I suck, it'l still end up being a 1v1 between you two...

I would rather play a 1v1... If you wanna see if a map is balanced you would do a 1v1 or 2v2..

I didnt see either of you on east.

Luna is built for a 1v1 anyway, a 3-way battle would leave only one base open - severe competition