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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2006-01-15 at 23:33:17
Now this is probably best left to people well experienced with the book or movie (though the movie to a lesser extent), but it should be fairly easy going if you've seen/read either. Now, ignoring the large quest of The Lord Of Rings, the One Ring as a metaphor for drugs (generically):
When using it, the wearer passes into "the unseen world", a possible metaphor for hallucinogenic experiences.
When not using The Ring, the wearer feels a great urge to put it on. It's will tears them as long as they are a ring bearer, and those who use it long enough become "permanent addicted" (Gollum).
The change it puts over the emotions and actions of those near it (the desperation for the drug suffered by most druggies).
This theory comes from a former teacher, now good friend (and Godfather) who reads the book regularly.
Tell me your opinions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-01-16 at 00:50:23
yeah i guess there are some similarities.... but what about when the lidless eye can see you :0
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-01-16 at 01:33:56

The lidless eye seeing you could be a reference to paranoia, caused by the drug.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-01-16 at 01:49:42
of course drugs come in a shapes sizes and forms thier effects also vary depending on how you use it and what type it is. so there are the rings given to the elves the rings given to the dwarves the ones given to the humans and of course the one ring to rule them all. all i can say is that some dragons are high right now....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-01-16 at 09:51:44
That's a very odd resembleance. But you can make that to almost anything, like speical K:
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-01-16 at 11:31:19
Berries??

Wow, I've neve thought of it like that... >.>
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-01-16 at 11:40:16
QUOTE(Wilhelm @ Jan 15 2006, 10:33 PM)
Now this is probably best left to people well experienced with the book or movie (though the movie to a lesser extent), but it should be fairly easy going if you've seen/read either. Now, ignoring the large quest of The Lord Of Rings, the One Ring as a metaphor for drugs (generically):
When using it, the wearer passes into "the unseen world", a possible metaphor for hallucinogenic experiences.
When not using The Ring, the wearer feels a great urge to put it on. It's will tears them as long as they are a ring bearer, and those who use it long enough become "permanent addicted" (Gollum).
The change it puts over the emotions and actions of those near it (the desperation for the drug suffered by most druggies).
This theory comes from a former teacher, now good friend (and Godfather) who reads the book regularly.
Tell me your opinions.
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OK that's extending it too far. I know somthings like commercials and maybe some shows may do that but not lord of the rings man. This is just stupid. It is an action movie. I see your trying to think "outside the box" but this is an extent no one would ever reach.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-01-16 at 11:41:23
People do it with poems, why not movies?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HorroR on 2006-01-16 at 13:22:20
Hell we should do it in Children's cartoons next. We can make Gangsta Blues Clues, and Fairly Pimparents.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-01-16 at 13:25:58
QUOTE(Kow @ Jan 16 2006, 10:41 AM)
People do it with poems, why not movies?
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because what type of super smart english man make a story about drugs.. it doesn't make sence. The movie had it's specific story and action.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2006-01-16 at 13:56:30
No, it's not an action movie at all. It's a High Fantasy NOVEL that was turned into a High Fantasy movie. Plus, one could say The Ring is "druglike", but not an actually metaphor for drugs. For one thing, Sauron and Tom Bombadil's immunity to the effects of The Ring, it holds "no sway" over them, Tom Bombadil because he is like a wood spirit and Sauron because he created it. But the creators of a narcotic are not immune to it. As for some you spouting out some nonsense about it being "an action movie", please leave. I'm not saying I think The Ring is a drug, I'm saying that it could be interpretted as a drug. It's certainly a druglike object, but none of you seem to grasp that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-01-16 at 15:00:45
I totally see from where you're coming Wilhelm.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-01-16 at 15:54:17
Wow.. Wilhelm, i never even noticed that... That is so cool...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-01-16 at 16:12:54
yeah JRR tolkien wrote the lotr in highly metaphorical fasion. it diplicted the strife between good and evil(heaven and hell) but the one ring is what could change the good to evil. and who knows he could of metaphorically made the ring as a drug. it changes good people to evil but then again hes dead so we will never know :0
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-01-16 at 18:18:11
QUOTE(Snipe @ Jan 16 2006, 01:25 PM)
because what type of super smart english man make a story about drugs.. it doesn't make sence. The movie had it's specific story and action.
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Drugs are not a problem that is restricted to the young and the ignorant. It plagues people of all ages/races/income brackets. Wilhelm isn't going to far in thinking that The One Ring could be a metaphor for drugs. It's a very realistic and possible assumption. One that I happen to agree with.

Let me give you an example of thinking too far outside the box: A year or so ago, in one of my film classes, we were watching "American Beauty" and some artsy-fartsy student was analyzing a scene where the gothic girl is watching her dad use a blender to make something. The student said "The lifeless expression on her face and the focus pull from the blender to her eyes is representative of the plight of humanity and our over-reliance on machines." That's going way too far. I rolled my eyes so hard they almost fell out of my head.

Hehehe, in real life people who use drugs too much often end up resmbling Golem.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-01-16 at 18:29:43
*sigh*

if only there was a mount doom we can toss that crap into....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-01-16 at 18:58:02
wooh * wears the ring * * gets stoned by Nazguls *
what would you refer to nazgulsa though?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-01-16 at 20:44:46
um the crack addicts that give everything up(money friends family etc) for the ring. they constantly pursue it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-01-16 at 22:01:15
So...like does Sauron represent the most addicted PCP user ever? tongue.gif

Seriously though, a very nice observation, though I have my doubts that the author expected this type of metaphor for the ring.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-17 at 01:59:09
QUOTE(Wilhelm @ Jan 16 2006, 11:56 AM)
No, it's not an action movie at all. It's a High Fantasy NOVEL that was turned into a High Fantasy movie. Plus, one could say The Ring is "druglike", but not an actually metaphor for drugs. For one thing, Sauron and Tom Bombadil's immunity to the effects of The Ring, it holds "no sway" over them, Tom Bombadil because he is like a wood spirit and Sauron because he created it. But the creators of a narcotic are not immune to it. As for some you spouting out some nonsense about it being "an action movie", please leave. I'm not saying I think The Ring is a drug, I'm saying that it could be interpretted as a drug. It's certainly a druglike object, but none of you seem to grasp that.
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The reason Sauron is not swayed by the ring, is because he basically is the ring. The ring is his personality poured into it.

Tom Bombidill is one step higher than the Maiar (Spelling), but below the Valar.

QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Jan 16 2006, 02:12 PM)
yeah JRR tolkien wrote the lotr in highly metaphorical fasion. it diplicted the strife between good and evil(heaven and hell) but the one ring is what  could change the good to evil. and who knows he could of metaphorically made the ring as a drug. it changes good people to evil but then again hes dead so we will never know :0
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I quote this from the Foreward to the Second Edition by J.R.R. Tolkien; Pages, xvi & xvii in LOTR:

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As for any inner meaning or message it has in the intention in the author none.  It is niether Allegorical nor topical.

... (Random info about how he didn't write this in a metaphorical state towards WWI)

I cordially dislike allegory in all it's manifestations.  And always have done so, since I have grown old and weary enough to detect it's presence.  I much prefer history, true or feinged, with it's very applicability to the thought and experience of the readers.  I think that many confuse applicability with allegory; But the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purpose domination of the author


I'm sorry to end your guys' discussion, but i'm touchy with LOTR.

Note: Andy Serkis does state in the bonus feature, that he plays the part of Golum as like an addict, but states this only to show that he did so, to play his part well.

Another note: At the time of this stories conception, drug addiction was not a big issue, and probibly would not have been on his mind in the first place
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-01-17 at 02:17:01
dude I love the ring! Iam a drug user! I'd love to try "the ring" and disappear from anyones view! seriously, i wish i had the ring.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-01-17 at 15:00:42
Drug dealers don't use their drug, hence Sauron isn't swayed by the ring.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-17 at 16:12:51
Do you guys not listen to the man that wrote the book?

QUOTE(J.R.R. Tolkien)
As for any inner meaning or message it has in the intention in the author none.  It is niether Allegorical nor topical.

... (Random info about how he didn't write this in a metaphorical state towards WWI)

I cordially dislike allegory in all it's manifestations.  And always have done so, since I have grown old and weary enough to detect it's presence.  I much prefer history, true or feinged, with it's very applicability to the thought and experience of the readers.  I think that many confuse applicability with allegory; But the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purpose domination of the author
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2006-01-18 at 00:49:58
There's a difference between allegory and metaphor. An allegory is an entire piece of fiction thatg represents a different event. A metaphor is taking an object and representing it with a different object that is intentionally suggestive of it. An allegory would be "The Lord Of The Rings is the story of World War 1", with characters/areas/magics/etc. representing the countries/leaders/weapons/etc. The Lord of The Rings is not without metaphors. The ending where Frodo sails to Valinor is essentially "Frodo died", but written in an immensely poetic manner. But I did not say the Lord of The Rings is an allegory for a drug addiction, I didn't even say The Ring IS a metaphor, but I am suggesting this as a plausible interpretation. This is a discussion on The Ring itself. This theory, as noted in the start, is from a friend.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-18 at 02:48:16
Again, I quote:

QUOTE(J.R.R. Tolkien)
As for any inner meaning or message it has in the intention in the author none.  It is niether Allegorical nor topical.

... (Random info about how he didn't write this in a metaphorical state towards WWI)

I cordially dislike allegory in all it's manifestations.  And always have done so, since I have grown old and weary enough to detect it's presence.  I much prefer history, true or feinged, with it's very applicability to the thought and experience of the readers.  I think that many confuse applicability with allegory; But the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purpose domination of the author


Read the first part. That points out that LOTR is neither Allegorical nor metaphorical.

He states that he hates allegory in all it's manifestations (This includes metaphores)

So... Really there is nothing more to talk about because he clearly points out that Lord Of The Rings is non-metaphorical and non-allegorical. And if you find metaphores and allegories within' this fantastic world, it was created by yourself, and not John Ronald Ruel Tolkein.
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