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In music, very explicit lyrics can [greatly] detract from the overall emphasis of the words. This is carried to an extreme in rap, where in some songs every other word is an expletive. Games and movies, though, can be and are violent as all hell. I often find violence hilarious.

Oh and nice avatar, the family guy movie is sheer genius.

No, I listen to pretty much all Explicit Music, and honestly, it hasent affected me, i still dont really cuss a lot, and it could be all cussing and i wouldent care.

Banning is bad. Freedom of Speech good.

The philosophy behind putting older kids to older more violent games isn't that the older kids will be able to take stuff like that better, it's that our minds are more obdurate against those things as we get older. Intelligence is kind of a factor due to the fact that while you're wisdom of what's right grows along with age, your influence to those things lower as the smarter you get. Most of us here at SEN ideally should be smart. I voted No.

Censorship is a losing battle. Did you know that in the 50s the but a big black bar over Elvis's hips in his debut telecast because they thought his hip swinging was too raunchy? People got carried away with it after WW2 because people had been through so much terror and war that they just wanted their peace back. But once the baby boomers grew up they wanted to look at and listen to whatever they wanted (having never experienced anything so atrocious). All efforts to maintain censorship have eroded over time, so no need to worry, unless we have another global crisis like that.

I can kind of relate. Since my boy's mom became a prostitute crackhead, I can't stand watching movies or listening to music that glorify those subjects or handle them improperly. If I had not seen it firsthand, I probably wouldn't mind as much.

I voted "no", by the way.

The way I see it, if explicit music and/or games drive you to commit violent crimes, then you have other problems. you should be able to tell the difference between reality and games/music. This kinda reminds me of a recent crime that happened here in Toronto, two kids were racing eachother in the middle of a street cuz they wanted to be like Need fo speed, anyway they cut off a taxi driver and pretty much killed him on impact,

here's the link: http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20060131-010/page.asp

I'd have to agree with Silent and knowing the difference between real and non-real, but they definetely don't corrupt our minds (except in cases like the Taxi Drive) because its not like we havn't heard/seen those things before. If you havn't heard any cuss words/"suggestive" themes in High School then I think that would be pretty amazing.

In fact it depends who hears the explicit stuff..

to a young kid (or immatures moron) they will think sayin this kind of things is cool and stuff..

this can screw up the waythey see the life (yeah sry if this sounds very weird, im french..)

what i mean if they might think that if u r a gangsta pimp (like mathrix, (roflol)) ur life will be awesome and fun and like u wont have problems at all beside dealing with guns and stuff like that and ull become 50cents... which is false..

Btw.. does someone here could tell me what is 50cent's story and like.. what is true and what is false and stuff.. im curious about pop music's dumb stories.. (roflol sry if u like 50cents, but his stuff was thought/made to become popular and make uber money and stuff)

so.. back to the main topic..

suppose i hear something bad about girls, black people, terrorists, or w/e.. using "bad" (oh noes!!! bad words hurt, they arent good to hear.. they are eeeeeeevill /sarcasm) words or not.. i just dont give a damn.. its their opinion and ive mine (when i need 1) so why would i care about someone i dont agree with..?

i guess (i hope, roflol) im not alone to think like that..


EDIT: so about the banning.. it should be banned to people who shouldt hear it.. but again, what i just said is uber dumb (how can u know if someone should hear it or not??) then it shouldnt be banned..

No. They don't affect anything/anyone.

Hrm... You (5(U)) basically mean parents should do their damned jobs...

yeah.. seeing the word parent reminds me they exist and they know their children.. so they should know if their children could see that violence or not..

notice how most of the time parents are against violence.. maybe they should analize (thats a word.. right?) their children and make their choice based on that..

If you're gonna ban games and music for this, you'll have to do it to all forms of media.

No wonder children are so soft now a days. We got self righteous panzies like this biznatching about the kids constantly. Allow me to quote george carlin:

"fark the children."

The real question here is: What is the norm? Sure we indeed have the current "norm" but what dictates this? What IS the definer? Oh society. Right. In a sense, explicit games and music are there to shape society. so In a way it is good because it promotes an ever changing society, however it is also very bad. In a sense that it is removing what normal is. What is it? What is normal? It is the very reason why we have goths and those "insane people" you see everywhere.

It should all be okay as long as it isn't racist or really really really bad =/

wtf is that useless comments??

did you post that for the mineral it could give??

roflol..



and about this one.. i agree with you.. if you gotta ban something.. u gotta do ur job correctly.. banning half of it and saying its banned will only make it more popular..

what you said about today's children reminds me a well-known quebecer movie maker (well-known if you live there i mean) Pierre Falardeau... hes an extremist who wants the quebec to be a country.. anyway.. i agree with that too.. parents doesnt make their opinion based on how their child are (most of them doesnt even know their child) they just try to do what they should do.. according to what they think they should do..

that means they are just uber dumb most of the time..

judge things by urself, dont wait until someone else tells you how to react..<

dumb parents.. (im not saying this like a teen who thinks his parent sucks ok?)

Huh? Leave me alone dude

I'd like to point out that by extension of the statement "sexual [is] good", you have also categorized STDs under the "good" section, along with unwanted pregnancies, spreading of harmful recessive traits and genes (such as the genetic code for cerebral palsy, or cystic fibrosis), and general promotion of basic human instincts, which include violence. That is to say in a total of six words, you managed to both completely ignore details and contradict yourself on a most basic level.

Put more effort into posting, or get out of Serious Discussion.

I say ban explicit music just because I hate rap, but in reallity, I don't think it corrupts your mind, it fits you. And for video games, I dislike games like GTA, or Manhunt, which are very violent games, I say ban those, but anything with mild violence, or whatever, they're good to stay.

wow 2 posts of you means 2 posts without anything needed in this conversation.. and totally out of the main subject..

i suggest you get out of serious discusions now because you just shown everyone how you arent able to make even 1 inteligent post about the topic... this is better for everyone..

better for us because we dont need ur useless replies
and better for you because i don't think you want to look even dumber than what we already see..

and please don't quote this.. you'll just look even dumber



thats pretty much what i mean..



Banning something because YOU (your opinion) hate it.. isnt a good reason

so basicly what you said isnt very related to the subject.. its just based on your tastes..

to improve your opinion and prove that you are right (or w/e) you should tell us why you hate rap music and violent video game

i would like to know what you think..

and about the explicit stuff.. you seem to link it directly to rap..
there are many other kind of music with "bad" lyrics..
(some death grind or grind bands and stuff are way more explicit then rap)

There are some music that are very questionable.

Like the song: "Bang It!" by The Frontline.
It talks all about banging something... connect the dots.

Most rap songs are about three things: girls, gangs, and drugs.

Although this is said, I STILL listen to rap. Why? Because it's enjoyable. Who said I was listening to the content as much as I am listening to the overall appeal of the song.

Games are for the same reason. No matter what kind of game, I play it for the enjoyment. Not the game itself (except for MvC2 because it's the best game in the world).

ok thx r2b for saying this.. it makes me realize that there are more than 1 type of erap... roflol..

let me try to list em:

Commercial rap (includes westcoast and eastcoast.. and everything that is related to rap and plays on the radio/tv or w/e)

- 50 cents should be the first to enter this categoria

Underground rap (aka: local rap. this is the rap known localy that isnt made for the money but because its a good way for thse rappers to express (did i write it corectly?) themself)

- Solo Los Solo (somewhere in spain)
- Busdriver (california)
- Maybe Watson and like about 30 i could name that u never heard of.. because this is LOCAL)

Experimental avantgarde rap (this isnt rap.. but the music can remind some kind of rap beat and the way they sing can sometimes remind rap)

- TTC, Klub des loosers, Fuzati, Prefuse 73, Daedelus, etc.. etc...

so when most of people talk about rap.. they talk about commercial rap.. but since i dont know anything about it.. i talk about underground and experimental rap..

so the next time ill talk about rap ill use these names (commercial, underground, experimental) so theres no confusion..




I don't understand how you can listen to something when you know how dumb it is... (this is my opinion)


EDIT: its fun how the main subject turned to rap since that guy made the link between rap and explicit lyrics.. roflol..

thats like making the link between a song that sounds like the beach boys and the beach (seriously why does this music reminds a beach with like all the stuff on it (huge balls (the ones with air inside em i mean), sun, surf and volley ball)

I don't like rap because it sucks, but that wasn't my point. Rap promotes violence, drugs, and pimping womem, all of them are bad. I don't think some computer geek is going to listen to rap and become a gangster, heck, I don't even think a computer geek is going to listen to rap in the first place. And if you noticed, my post has more than one point.