Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-02-21 at 16:35:33
Well since i see that most of the topic are going downhill rapidly i decided to make another topic. Hopefully this one wont get locked because of too much flaming. So please try to restrain yourself.
What exactly do you think of the Turin Shroud. Here is a wikipedia thingy on it.
Anyway it was found in 1357. the history before that is very cloudy. in the 16th century there was a fire where the shroud was badly damaged. also the shroud can not be accurately carbon dated because of the carbon from the fire.
in 1898 the first photograph of the shroud was taken, and when seen with the negatives the image of the person could be seen more clearly. in 1978 the shroud was opened for scientific study.
many attributes of the shroud are debated. i will point out some of the facts that we do know.
The pigments that are visible are only on the very top layer of the fabric, this means that no hand painting technique can do this.
The Shroud has a 3d effect meaning that the darker points of the shroud are the points where the fabric has touched the skin, when used with a program it creates a perfect 3d visual of a man.
The inflictions of Jesus Christ match those on the shroud.
No one can duplicate all of the attributes that the shroud has.
So i leave for you to post your opinion on this.
I do not have a comment on the matter. although there are a lot of evidence that this was not made as a hoax i still have some speculation. The face on the shroud seems awefully square like.
What exactly do you think of the Turin Shroud. Here is a wikipedia thingy on it.
Anyway it was found in 1357. the history before that is very cloudy. in the 16th century there was a fire where the shroud was badly damaged. also the shroud can not be accurately carbon dated because of the carbon from the fire.
in 1898 the first photograph of the shroud was taken, and when seen with the negatives the image of the person could be seen more clearly. in 1978 the shroud was opened for scientific study.
many attributes of the shroud are debated. i will point out some of the facts that we do know.
The pigments that are visible are only on the very top layer of the fabric, this means that no hand painting technique can do this.
The Shroud has a 3d effect meaning that the darker points of the shroud are the points where the fabric has touched the skin, when used with a program it creates a perfect 3d visual of a man.
The inflictions of Jesus Christ match those on the shroud.
No one can duplicate all of the attributes that the shroud has.
So i leave for you to post your opinion on this.
I do not have a comment on the matter. although there are a lot of evidence that this was not made as a hoax i still have some speculation. The face on the shroud seems awefully square like.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-21 at 17:44:50
Seems pretty convenient that the date can't be determined.....
Just seems like people/ a person trying to reinspire faith in a religion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-21 at 18:52:18
I would like to believe this shroud is real, but hey anything is possible.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-02-22 at 18:39:22
I think it could of been jesus. I still voted no comment though
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HorroR on 2006-02-22 at 18:51:05
I say no comment, because we don't have proof that it's Jesus, or a real person in fact. Hell, we don't even know what Jesus looked like, and the doubt of a real date is a reason for a lack of belief though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-02-22 at 22:58:45
Exactly. It's not like this disproves jesus existed or not.
The church is relying on the old, "what if", trick a lot of people through out history have bought into. Even if I was a complete christian, I still wouldn't buy this.
The church is relying on the old, "what if", trick a lot of people through out history have bought into. Even if I was a complete christian, I still wouldn't buy this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-02-24 at 18:45:35
I've never heard of the thing. Don't really care if it was Jesus's or not because I don't know why it would matter.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by www.com.au on 2006-03-12 at 05:33:03
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I've never heard of the thing. Don't really care if it was Jesus's or not because I don't know why it would matter.
Just for something to argue about.
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Even if I was a complete christian, I still wouldn't buy this.
I'm a complete christian, and i dont buy it either. Ive seen a video on it, but there are some dodgy points.
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Seems pretty convenient that the date can't be determined.....
i completely agree with you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2006-03-16 at 03:28:31
personally, im a christian too, and i've also not made up my mind on the exact specific of whether or not it's real, but i think theres certainly much convincing data to be found here. Sure theres no perfect proof that it is jesus, plus theres the fact that it cant be accurately dated, but at the same time faith is a very large part of the christian religion. a) if you do beleive in christianity, it's no stretch to imaigne that god wouldnt give us perfect data. I mean, why not decend form the heavens and declare that he is god on high? instead god lets us make decisions base don the faith we have in his existance.
b) if ur nto a christian even if this was carbon dated, and had a witness account of jesus blazing an image into the shroud, it would still be questioned endlessly. i.e. if you dont beleive in christianity or chirst there no way that even wiht all the proof in the world that you'll beleive that this shroud is real.
Basically, what im saying is that it doesnt matter if the data is conclusive or not, if it's none conclusive, for christians with the beleife in the shroud, it wont matter. at the same time if the data was conclusively saying that this was indeed the death shroud of jesus, non chirstians would still not trust the data, and would question it endlessly. So does the somewhat missing data even matter?
b) if ur nto a christian even if this was carbon dated, and had a witness account of jesus blazing an image into the shroud, it would still be questioned endlessly. i.e. if you dont beleive in christianity or chirst there no way that even wiht all the proof in the world that you'll beleive that this shroud is real.
Basically, what im saying is that it doesnt matter if the data is conclusive or not, if it's none conclusive, for christians with the beleife in the shroud, it wont matter. at the same time if the data was conclusively saying that this was indeed the death shroud of jesus, non chirstians would still not trust the data, and would question it endlessly. So does the somewhat missing data even matter?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (SEN)Dante50 on 2006-03-17 at 00:49:03
It's 12:56 at night when I'm posting this, and I have to say that I really like looking at that stuff at this time of night. I also like stuff like that because I'm kinda superstitous. It's probably not Jesus Christ, but I, as a Christian, have to say that it's probably something from Heaven or Hell. It's kinda like all of those things like seeing the Virgin Mary in a piece of cloth, but more believable. Like I said, it's probably something hyper-religious. 