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There has been a conflict in Northern Ireland that has been widely overlooked due to the overshadowing middle east conflicts. However, terrorism in that region has been going on for a very long time. Some people don't see how in the middle east that two factions/branches of Islaam can hate each other so much, even though the protestants and catholics have been in conflict in Ireland. Their lives in some cases are led by terrorism: it has gotten so bad that walls are put up between catholic and protestant neighborhoods. Realizing that orange is the Protestant color and green is the Catholic color, someone wearing orange to the Catholic side (and vice versa) runs the risk of getting hazed, mugged, beat up, raped, and a variety of other hate crimes.

Its been going on for a long time...yet is overlooked. So, who's going to wear orange with me on St. Patrick's day?

Interesting.

I probably won't even be aware it's St. Patrick's day until it's over. I doubt I'll be paying much attention to what I'm wearing. Since I don't drink or anything, I have no reason to be out that day.

Well, why not wear green? Catholics are fine, and hey Im Irish
and Im catholic. WEIRD w

This isn't about what to wear on St. Patricks Day. Please get back to the original topic.

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I always that orange was their hated color because of someone's flag...

I'm guessing the same happens if you wear green to the protestan side.

All that is going to do is get you pinched.
No one knows anything about Irish problems except immigrants from Ireland.

Who cares? St. Patrick's Day is just where you punch everyone who decides to give a about St. Patrick's Day.

In related news, I heard about one story from a while ago where one guy got his eyes gouged out with broken glass for wearing orange on the day.

So much for being active in your community. So much for waiting for a conversation to tell other people about the horrible things going on. People are so ready to protest the Iraqi war, to bring our soldiers back to 'safety', yet you won't step out so much as to help another country. Good. This is what the world's coming to.

but why should we care about what doesn't concern us? It doesn't sound like we can do much by wearing orange on St. Patricks day.

Oh no, my poor community. Whatever shall become of the other 65,000 people if I don't wear an orange shirt?

Helping another country? By wearing a shirt? If you have ever learned just one thing from history, it should be that violence is rarely silenced by peace. I'm sure that 32 (random number) out of the 1,450 or so students at my high school will really make a difference in Northern Ireland's religious conflicts. Oh yeah, definitely.

And yes, you're exactly right; I don't look into things on my own. That's why I read papers, watch news sources, and then look up the things they discuss for myself. Being informed doesn't mean you have to care. Looking at it from a practical standpoint, the architects of the "war on terror" might as well be a bunch of gerbils riding around on RC cars, meaning I think they're morons. But from a world outlook point of view, I prefer that they just continue the slaughter.

Call me a sadist, call me a twisted person, I don't care. But don't assume I'm uninformed.

God dammit, its not supposed to lead to PEACE. If someone comes up to you and pinches you, say "I'm wearing orange for a reason, kthx." or if someone's like "dude its st. patricks day, what're you doing" ya know? It starts conversation. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with peace. Some of the most effective protests and movements have been started by students.

WHY NOT WEAR WHITE?

Kame, why would wearing orange raise awareness?

because it isn't green, and its the protestant color.

But I'm Catholic.

lol. Then it makes sense for you to wear green.

probably from where i'm living at, probably the people wouldn't care what color shirt im wearing...i don't think it'll have any effect on what you're wearing...but i'd say it might give you a protesting look...like wearing a t-shirt of a peace sign, might make it look like that persons a hippie or something...
probably wearing green will give you a reason to get avoiding pinched by friends or something but otherwise people wouldn't care what you'd be wearing...
even if we wore something that represents something might not necessarily have a real impact...

Orange is the hated colour of Catholics in Ireland because of William of Orange (William III), king of Britain sometime in the 18th century. I can't remember what it was he did in Ireland (favouring Protestants most likely) but the Irish didn't like him.

British Prime Minister Robert Peel was nicknamed 'Orange Peel' because of his inaction during the Irish Famine.

I think that wearing orange or green on St. Patrick's Day will only serve to anger those who know what it means.

I shall be wearing green, not because I'm catholic (Which I am.) And not because I don't want to be pinched (Which I don't.) But It's jsut that every tee-shirt I own is camoflauge.

obviously the people seriousely psoting care...



It's rather easy to be excited and to stand up for a cuase that you beleive in. What is far mroe difficult is to do something for the good of others, especially if you dont agree with the idea of what they are doing, but at the same time, do you turn a blind eye to the pain of others when it's easy to contribute to helping them. In this case all thats being asked is to wear an orange t-shirt to gian awareness. Kame asks this simple thing and instead most of you say it's the silliest thing in the world and has nothing to do with you. Dont you relize that these people are fellow human beings, and as being such are much like all of us here at sen. What if all the great mappers of sen just decided that becuase they alreayd knew enough, and that they could get fruther information by just cloistering in, and creating a private community. This would most likely be to the great benefit mapping wise of those who did, but at the same time it shuts out those who want to learn to map, and those who have the chance to become great mappers. When we think of other humans as "not being out problem" it leads to exactly this type of cloistering.


althoguh 32 doesnt seem as that impressive of a number, all ideas usually start from such small of groups. I.e. when you build up an army, you dont recruit 20 thousand troops all at the same time, in the exact same place, instead they send groups of 1 or 2 recruits out to different variouse locals. These then recruit more people, but they dont recruit by the thousands, instead they recruit random individuals. so when you look at mass movements you've got to relize that everyone in there has to be recrutied individually, at some sort of personal level. so ya, 32 people by themselves is nothen, but at the same time those 32 can be the beginnings of a group. Without the individual there is nothing.

also, your right that being informed doesnt mean that you have to care, but at the same time if your not informed, YOU WILL NOT CARE, since you wont have any knowledge of something to care about. so some chance is better then none.

yeah, it's pretty crazy. It's the dispute among many things acually. Irland and northern irland. Catholics now live in northern irland and want them to become one in religion as the dipute once appeared many decades ago. They also want them to join Great britian to be one united country. Since of there religious conflict, the protestants know they won't be treated fairly either way. So they might as well stay there own place.

The terrorism in Ireland isn't as bad as it was 10 years ago. We've had trouble with Ireland ever since we first went in there.

The Irish Question (meaning the situation with Britain's relationship with Ireland) is something of a joke amongst historians. Whenever the British government answered the question, the Irish changed it. The problems all stem from a Protestant minority ruling over a Catholic minority in the past, and other things such as the Irish famine.

The same thing is starting to happen with Scotland now. Scottish Nationalism is becoming a powerful force - some nationalists want independence from England... or rather they want independence in everything but economic aid.

They're like 'OMFG England sucks, we hate you... but we love your money - give it generously!'

I find it surprising that Scotland, which has its own Parliament and a disproportionate number of politicians in the English Parliament, still bemoans its lack of independence.

For Americans:
Imagine Scotland as a state trying to secede from the Union. The people of the state identify with it so strongly that they want it to be independent, even though it wouldn't be able to survive without federal help. It just seems so ridiculous.

I will wear orange... If I have any orange clothes... If I don't I'll wear red. It's close enough. I think its good that someone is bringing this up. I bet some day some random person will find out about this, and go on the news and be like, "There's fighting in Ireland!" and everyone will be shocked. Except for us of course.

Or you could wear green and say theirs fighting in Ireland.