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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-03-08 at 23:30:50
pinch.gif In math class we recently learned that any number to the 0th power is one.
One, what the hell?

By placing a power over a number, you are abbreviating something like 2x2x2 to 2(3)...
We work our way down...
2x2 = 2(2)
2 = 2(1)
= 1? How do you get 1?


On the left side of the bottom equasion is nothing, and 0 is a representation for nothing. Whether it be a lack of a digit or any number at all, it means nothing. Since there is nothing on the left side, we can place a 0 there.

0=1

No, it doesn't work. I simply don't see why something(0) should equal 1.

Knowing there are a few higher level math geeks than myself here, could I get a hand? I must know how and why anthing(0) = 1!

ADDITION:
Since I have no cluse how to do miniature power numbers, any number in ()'s is a power....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2006-03-08 at 23:32:57
Exponents are represented by the ^, something placed in parentheses means multiplication.

For example 2^3 is 8 while 2(3) is 6.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-03-08 at 23:36:35
Think of it in terms of dimensions. A line is considered a one-dimensional figure, and for our purposes here let us say a single point is in zero dimensions. The point is a single value along the line of infinite values, and thus its value is 1 out of infinity.

Thus, x^0 = 1
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2006-03-08 at 23:37:32
I got this from wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_product...o_the_0th_power
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-03-08 at 23:43:21
I know 2(3) = 6, I just couldn't find a way to represent powers, but now I know.


And anyway, the article says one is the result of multiplying no numbers, yet does not have anything to back this. 0x0=0....

ADDITION:
I'm going to bed, hoping for an answer in the morning.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-03-09 at 00:22:42
I'm too lazy to write out a proof, but it's proven that lim[sub]x→0[/sub] k[sup]x[/sup] = 1, k ≠ 0.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ZPD on 2006-03-09 at 16:27:59
Trying to keep this simple, if you add or subtract numbers represented by scientific notation, you'll sometimes find yourself using 10^0. It works as a transition between a number switching between a negative and postive exponent.

Example;

13.37*10^-2 = 1.337*10^-1 = .1337*10^0 = .01337*10^1, etc.
The represented number is .1337which is the same as .1337*10^0. Having a different exponent would require the base number be changed to comply with the rules of proper scientific notation.

That's the simplest kind of example I could come up with, I hope it helps you understand, :\
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-03-09 at 16:34:12
Let's see..

2^3 = 8
2^-3 = 1/8
And if you multiply them you get 1 happy.gif.
Not sure if it's a super explanation, but it helps you think of it better. Negative numbers go into fractions, positive go into regular numbers, so 0 goes into the middle - 1.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-03-09 at 17:02:21
Somethnig slightly related, is that I proved anything divided by 0 = -0, and not a true nonexistant number.

*Syphon attempts to remeber.

Hmmm...

*Syphon remeber he wrote it down on a recent math test.

Anyways, it has something to do with negative recipricals of slope.
(Not your thing, mine, yours' does have to do with negative denominators though.)

*Syphon grabs calculator and remebers arguments with grade 8 math teacher.

Basically I'm gonna do it like this, negative exponents.

2^1 = 2; 2^-1 = 0.5

Now that's just fine and good, but why?

2^1 = 1/2^-1
But othwise, it's just obviously 2.

2^-1 = 1/2^1
Which is, of course 0.5 .

Now to explain 0 I will just go 1/2^-0, which quite obvious is tricky, as -0 = 0, but not really. So basically 2^0 = 1 just because it does, which makes the rule of 1 divided by the -1(Exponent) work for 0. Now, as is painfully obvious, 1/1 = 1.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-03-09 at 17:15:40
I wonder, is the following true?
X^-0 = -1
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Hofodomo on 2006-03-09 at 17:19:30
-1 would be i^2 (when algebra gets screwed...you'll use this alot in engineering...)
(i is a complex number)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_number

x^-0 is the same as 1/(X^0) and would still be 1
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-03-09 at 17:20:12
^Soulshifter

No. Negative zero is the same as 0, and as such it's still x^0, which = 1. If it was -2x^0, then it would be -1, since with that you're doing -(x^0).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-03-09 at 17:23:58
QUOTE(Arbitrary @ Mar 9 2006, 05:20 PM)
^Soulshifter

No. Negative zero is the same as 0, and as such it's still x^0, which = 1. If it was -2x^0, then it would be -1, since with that you're doing -(x^0).
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Which is exactly what i proved in my post tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-03-09 at 17:30:26
x^2 = x*x
x^1 = x
x^0 = x/x
x^-1 = 1/x
x^-2 = 1/(x*x)

It can be mathematically proven, but it's too much of a hassle for me to come up with a formula.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-03-09 at 18:04:08
Man, look at Syphon go. And isn't -0 = 0*i ? i, if I'm not mistaken is an imaginary number and means that it is always negitive or something...

x^2 = xx
x^1 = x
x^0 = ?
x^-1 = 1/x
x^-2 = 1/xx

x^0 must be in the middle of x and 1/x. Let us input a number:

2^1 = 2
2^0 = __
2^-1 = 1/2

No since 2 = something and most of us know that something divided by nothing (x/0) is 'undefined' , we can't say we can't say that we even have 2, now can we, if we say that 2^0 equals nothing.

x/0 ≠ 0
x^0 ≠ 0
x*0 = 0

Now, let's show why x^0 = 1

x^1 = x
x^-1 = 1/x

x^1-1 = x^0 !!

x = 2
2^1-1 = 2^0 !!
2*1/2 = 1 or 2/1 / 1/2

So... 2^0 = 1

There... Phew... PLZ GOD LET THAT HAVE EXPLAINED IT!!! PLZ!!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2006-03-09 at 18:37:42
5^0 = 5 * 1/5, which equals 1. That's the only number to make it equal one, so that's my theory. I think I'll just stick with that wink.gif.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-03-09 at 18:40:47
Your assumption makes no logical sense and is wrong.

QUOTE
x = 2
2^1-1 = 2^0 !!
2*1/2 = 1 or 2/1 / 1/2

So... 2^0 = 1


Why would 2(1/2) be used as proof?, it has no relation with the problem.

(2/1)/(1/2) = (2/1)(2/1) = 4
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2006-03-09 at 20:03:14

x[sup]3[/sup] = x*x*x
x[sup]2[/sup] = x*x
x[sup]1[/sup] = x
x[sup]0[/sup] = x/x
x[sup]-1[/sup] = x/x/x
x[sup]-2[/sup] = x/x/x/x
x[sup]-3[/sup] = x/x/x/x/x


That is why 0^x, where x<1 gives an error. X/0=error. (Undefined is what I learned in school, but my calc says "Domain" and computer says "devide by zero")
Report, edit, etc...Posted by olaboy- on 2006-03-09 at 20:05:45
Basically,
x^2 = x*x*1
x^1 = x*1
x^0 = 1

Remember there's always that one in there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2006-03-09 at 20:09:10
Eh? I always thought of it as x/x, and that is why 0^X is an error. 0^0 ≠ 1
(I just guess from my small knowledge of math. After 3 years of Algebra I pass happy.gif. At least I started Algebra a few years early so I am now just at the basic level)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-03-09 at 20:26:56
QUOTE(A_of_s_t @ Mar 9 2006, 06:04 PM)
Man, look at Syphon go.
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I haven't been in a math class in a few days, I needed a fix of iris buring numbers and formulii. wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-03-09 at 22:44:53
Perhaps look at a logarithm?

Logx1 = 0

However:

{x|x≠0}

You cannot take a sublog of 0, so in that case:

0^0 ≠ 1

Everything else will equal 1:

x^0 = 1

1 can also be written as x to any exponent over itself, correct?

1 = [(x^3)/(x^3)]
x^0 = [(x^3)/(x^3)]
x^0 = [x^(3-3)]
x^0 = x^0

That is why anything, besides 0, to the exponent, 0, is equal to 1.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2006-03-10 at 17:30:51
Ok, I have the best proof possible right here.

x[sup]2[/sup]/x[sup]2[/sup] = x[sup]2-2[/sup] = x[sup]0[/sup].
and since x[sup]2[/sup] = x[sup]2[/sup], and any number/sentence divided by itself is ONE, hence x[sup]0[/sup] = 1.

Problem solved. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2006-03-10 at 17:46:57
Simplest way to think of it for me
CODE
y = x^2
__x____y______literal____________
-3   | .125    | 2/2/2/2/2
-2   | .25     | 2/2/2/2
-1   | .5      | 2/2/2
0    | 1       | 2/2
1    | 2       | 2
2    | 4       | 2x2
3    | 8       | 2x2x2
4    | 16      | 2x2x2x2
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Always remember, Feliz es tu madre!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Noober on 2006-03-10 at 20:37:01
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