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Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-24 at 16:34:57
Everyone watched it. There were commercials as granduer and enormous as every other commercials combined.

For anyone who doesn't know what the movie was, click here.

The crazy natural disasters caused by disturbances in the North Atlantic Drift. Disturbances were caused by melting of ice caps caused by global warming.
So...
Global Warming ---> Melting of ice caps in North Pole ---> Neutralization of Sea water into nearly pure water ---> Disturbances in North Atlantic Drift ---> Creation of natural disasters.

Do you think our human activities can result to this extreme?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-03-24 at 16:54:10
At the rate we're going. There's no doubt in my mind something will happen, I can already notice the changes from when I was a kid to now. Back then it was all white around November and lasted till March. Now it's like white from December to Feb. But it still doesnt warm up till late March. I'm afraid of what will happen in 10 years or so. Stuff like that is pretty scary.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-03-24 at 17:24:49
Nothing will ever happen to the extent of The Day After Tomorrow. It's quite possible we'll have a few more Katrinas, and on another note,

now that New Orleans has been destroyed, I don't find it so far-fetched now that weather could destroy a city.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-03-24 at 17:59:28
QUOTE(DeadlyInnocence @ Mar 24 2006, 04:34 PM)
Global Warming ---> Melting of ice caps in North Pole ---> Neutralization of Sea water into nearly pure water ---> Disturbances in North Atlantic Drift ---> Creation of natural disasters.

In order for an entire ice cap to melt up there, it'd have to reach 34 degrees and take around 5 years to melt some of a big ice cap.

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No. Everything in that movie was complete bogus. I actually hate it because it makes people who don't know anything about the weather and such believe in it's crapload. Like the tempature going to like -200 degrees was it? Where it froze the building, what the hell was that? Not. Possible. The huge tsunami is, sort of possible. But it could never reach new york city. Also tornados in LA is also impossible.

That movie had no facts at all. Notice how in the alaskan scene where it's -40 degrees they don't have the fog of there breath? Nice paying attention to details producers.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-03-24 at 19:40:56
I saw a special program about global warming in the 60 minute thing (forgot which channel does that.) And they say that it's too late to stop global warming. Even if we shut down every factory, every car, and burned absolutely nothing completely, global warming will still continue, because we've already done too much damage.

One scientist tried to tell America through one of the speech presses or something about it, but the government would censor out anything which would somehow suggest that we're in danger. They would replace words like "will cause" to "may cause."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-03-24 at 19:58:17
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Mar 24 2006, 07:40 PM)
I saw a special program about global warming in the 60 minute thing (forgot which channel does that.) And they say that it's too late to stop global warming. Even if we shut down every factory, every car, and burned absolutely nothing completely, global warming will still continue, because we've already done too much damage.[right][snapback]452200[/snapback][/right]

People who say Factories and SUVs caused global warming is also bullshiz. Well not completely. Because of the carbon going up in the air and making the atomosphere more dense (That's probably not it but I haven't talked on this subject for a year) and blah blah blah. You know what else has the same effect as factories and and SUVs? YOU EXHALING. Count how many times you breath a day, then multiply it by 25 Billion and you have how much "damage" we cause every day. Compare that to factories and SUVs and they look like a spec of sand on the beach.

The earth got warmer around when the Wheel was invented. We can't really stop global warming, but there's no immdeit damage. Yeah ice caps might melt, but that will take a reall farking long time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-24 at 20:02:56
QUOTE(Golden-Fist @ Mar 24 2006, 07:57 PM)
People who say Factories and SUVs caused global warming is also bullshiz. Well not completely. Because of the carbon going up in the air and making the atomosphere more dense (That's probably not it but I haven't talked on this subject for a year) and blah blah blah. You know what else has the same effect as factories and and SUVs? YOU EXHALING. Count how many times you breath a day, then multiply it by 25 Billion and you have how much "damage" we cause every day. Compare that to factories and SUVs and they look like a spec of sand on the beach.

The earth got warmer around when the Wheel was invented. We can't really stop global warming, but there's no immdeit damage. Yeah ice caps might melt, but that will take a reall farking long time.
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Thats why we have nature to do our biddings. Trees and other natural life converts the carbon dioxide we release into oxygen we can breath. Obviously, we are overpopulated. Yes, you are right about breathing. But, not all air we breath are turned into carbon dioxide. In fact, only about 10% is carbon dioxide. But, nevertheless, it is still a lot.

What we can do is to stop the excessive release of carbon dioxide such as from factories and SUVs. I think that is what "The day after tomorrow" is trying to tell us.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-03-24 at 20:04:59
QUOTE(DeadlyInnocence @ Mar 24 2006, 08:02 PM)
What we can do is to stop the excessive release of carbon dioxide such as from factories and SUVs. I think that is what "The day after tomorrow" is trying to tell us.[right][snapback]452230[/snapback][/right]

I think all the movie said is "We have a huge budget let's use it on effects"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-24 at 20:18:50
QUOTE(Golden-Fist @ Mar 24 2006, 08:04 PM)
I think all the movie said is "We have a huge budget let's use it on effects"
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LOL!!!

That was what the vice president guy said during the whole movie.
But he changed his mind, didn't he? He thought that all humans should have been more careful to use natural resources.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-03-24 at 20:39:10
QUOTE(DeadlyInnocence @ Mar 24 2006, 08:18 PM)
That was what the vice president guy said during the whole movie.
But he changed his mind, didn't he? He thought that all humans should have been more careful to use natural resources.[right][snapback]452251[/snapback][/right]

If you're refering to the movie. No, he said that it's impossible for them to get another Ice Age without any information coming in and no facts supporting his theory. He ended up being right but that's only because it's classic hollywood and someone had to be the bad guy, not the weather.

Another point I forgot to bring up, if any of this was possible. We'd know it 5 years in advance.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-24 at 22:07:58
QUOTE(DeadlyInnocence @ Mar 24 2006, 02:34 PM)
Everyone watched it. There were commercials as granduer and enormous as every other commercials combined.

For anyone who doesn't know what the movie was, click here.

The crazy natural disasters caused by disturbances in the North Atlantic Drift. Disturbances were caused by melting of ice caps caused by global warming.
So...
Global Warming ---> Melting of ice caps in North Pole ---> Neutralization of Sea water into nearly pure water ---> Disturbances in North Atlantic Drift ---> Creation of natural disasters.

Do you think our human activities can result to this extreme?

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Nope. Our activities really do not have an effect on the world to the extent of what you are talking about.

Global Warming? Um.. We don't cause that. It's natural my friend.


QUOTE(Cloud @ Mar 24 2006, 02:53 PM)
At the rate we're going. There's no doubt in my mind something will happen, I can already notice the changes from when I was a kid to now. Back then it was all white around November and lasted till March. Now it's like white from December to Feb. But it still doesnt warm up till late March. I'm afraid of what will happen in 10 years or so. Stuff like that is pretty scary.
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That isn't our problem Cloud. The earth has natural heating and cooling. It's doing it by itself.

Did the Ice Age come because of humans? Did it go away because of humans? No. It was NATURAL.. So people who say we are causing problems, just need to look at history and how there are climbs and declines in the earths weather patterns.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-03-24 at 22:26:25
QUOTE(Golden-Fist @ Mar 24 2006, 08:57 PM)
People who say Factories and SUVs caused global warming is also bullshiz. Well not completely. Because of the carbon going up in the air and making the atomosphere more dense (That's probably not it but I haven't talked on this subject for a year) and blah blah blah. You know what else has the same effect as factories and and SUVs? YOU EXHALING. Count how many times you breath a day, then multiply it by 25 Billion and you have how much "damage" we cause every day. Compare that to factories and SUVs and they look like a spec of sand on the beach.

The earth got warmer around when the Wheel was invented. We can't really stop global warming, but there's no immdeit damage. Yeah ice caps might melt, but that will take a reall farking long time.
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I'm pretty sure that all of the cars in the world pollute more than everybody in the world breathing. One of my old science teachers said that the movie is somewhat possible but it wouldn't happen that fast, it would be gradual.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-03-24 at 23:15:01
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Mar 24 2006, 07:40 PM)
I saw a special program about global warming in the 60 minute thing (forgot which channel does that.) And they say that it's too late to stop global warming. Even if we shut down every factory, every car, and burned absolutely nothing completely, global warming will still continue, because we've already done too much damage.

One scientist tried to tell America through one of the speech presses or something about it, but the government would censor out anything which would somehow suggest that we're in danger. They would replace words like "will cause" to "may cause."
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Cows put out more methane than every human contrivance on the planet. Damn cows....


Volcanoes also account for something like 70% of greenhouse gas emissions.

We can't stop global warming, because it's a NATURAL CYCLE! Up, then down, then up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2006-03-24 at 23:18:58
Most of the stuff in the day after tomorrow was hollywood bullshiz, it would never get that extreme in temperatures. I really don't understand how they reasoned getting below -200 degrees, when the coldest place on the surface of the earth, Vostok Antartica, has a record low of -120 degrees farenhiet. Getting temperatures below that naturally isn't going to happen quickly at all. I also loved how the wolves survived in it, and how they instantly became feral after living in a zoo for their entire lives.
The only thing in that movie that could actually happen would be the ciculation belt shutting down, which would make things really cold in europe, and drop the temperature here substantially, but not devistatingly. Also, they had a few logical issues, the first buoey to register a drop in temperatures was in the middle of the circulation system, which really doesn't make any sense, as the first place to be hit would be the begining of the system.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Exploit on 2006-03-24 at 23:21:28
I think this is a pretty interesting topic, so nice job. I believe "anything is possible" i just hope the worse won't come in my lifetime. wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-03-24 at 23:41:14
Anything is possible, but we only live for a couple of billion secs. And we can't worry about all the trillions of things that can happen. Don't use that as a primary source of reasoning.

But in this case, this is reasonable enough to debate.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-03-25 at 00:02:01
QUOTE(Demaris @ Mar 24 2006, 10:14 PM)

Cows put out more methane than every human contrivance on the planet. Damn cows....
Volcanoes also account for something like 70% of greenhouse gas emissions.

We can't stop global warming, because it's a NATURAL CYCLE! Up, then down, then up.

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Well you know what that means? wink.gif

*Heats up Grill and sharpens butchering knife*
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-03-25 at 00:17:14
Hey mill, invite me over to the cook out. I'll bring some patatos. Can't have an end of the world party with out potatos. Been a family tradition since 1666.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-03-25 at 08:59:28
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Mar 24 2006, 05:24 PM)
Nothing will ever happen to the extent of The Day After Tomorrow. It's quite possible we'll have a few more Katrinas, and on another note,

now that New Orleans has been destroyed, I don't find it so far-fetched now that weather could destroy a city.
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The only reason N.O. failed was due to not up to date levees.


QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Mar 25 2006, 12:01 AM)
Well you know what that means? wink.gif

*Heats up Grill and sharpens butchering knife*
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*Kow flees

Also, has anyone ever thought of the earthing being primarily magma affecting the temeratures?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-03-25 at 09:32:10

I am no expert, but Yes I think out humanly actions can cause these types of catastrophic events. Maybe not quite that catastrophic but maybe a portion of what was shown. Because I live in Maine, where it is normally snowing during the winter, It hasnt snowed much this year. I didnt even get to ride my snowmobile. I think that Global Warming is affecting this, and with that we had a bad winter because of not that much snow. The snow that we did get, we either had a couple of warm days after that or there were long rains where the snow was nearly wiped completely away. Maybe not bad but in the movie it was a small start to what happened as well!

I think yes we are causing these things to occur. Like the Ozone has a hole now. Our doing!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-25 at 10:10:18
I thought someone said the temperature has to change a little bit in order for the ice cap to melt.

I am not an expert in climatology, but from what I know, there is a huge hole in the ozone layer right above the Antartica. If so, all it has to do is get a little heat going down there and then the ice cap will melt.

It will not happen in such a short time as in the movie, but maybe in span of years.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-03-25 at 10:24:38
QUOTE(7-7 @ Mar 25 2006, 09:31 AM)
I am no expert, but Yes I think out humanly actions can cause these types of catastrophic events.  Maybe not quite that catastrophic but maybe a portion of what was shown.

Did you even read the topic?

QUOTE(7-7)
Because I live in Maine, where it is normally snowing during the winter, It hasnt snowed much this year.  I didnt even get to ride my snowmobile.  I think that Global Warming is affecting this, and with that we had a bad winter because of not that much snow.  The snow that we did get, we either had a couple of warm days after that or there were long rains where the snow was nearly wiped completely away.  Maybe not bad but in the movie it was a small start to what happened as well!

You can't be serious.
Not getting snow one winter and you blame it on GLOBAL WARMING?! Are you insane? The most the tempature could drop from one year due to global warming is around .0005 Degrees. That's not enough to not get any snow, what you expirenced is what we call a Bad Skiing Winter. Not a global warming side effect. It's quiet obvious you're "Not an expert" you're not even a beginner. Please read the topic before posting anything.

QUOTE(7-7)
I think yes we are causing these things to occur.  Like the Ozone has a hole now.[right][snapback]452696[/snapback][/right]

That's due to CFCs and isn't completly our fault. How many other miracle chemicals ended up destroying the earth's Ozone? None.

QUOTE(DeadlyInnocence)
I am not an expert in climatology, but from what I know, there is a huge hole in the ozone layer right above the Antartica. If so, all it has to do is get a little heat going down there and then the ice cap will melt.

A hole in the Ozone layer doesn't make it hotter down there, it just exposes everything to Ultra Violet rays which cause Skin Cancer and other types of Cancer. You also have to have your bare skin revealed to the Ultra Violet lays, and the chances of anyone looking up in Antarica are very low. However it's sad to think a lot of animals might die soon down there sad.gif.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by marxel on 2006-03-25 at 10:32:39
The global warming thing, it's already happening now. Just not in a speed rate as fast as in the movie.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-25 at 10:37:04
All it needs is the one little boost for it to melt.

It might not happen in our lifetime or even in our childrens' lifetimes. But if it happens, it might as well be the end for us.

Once the disruption begins, it won't stop. It is like domino effect. It might be happening slowly, but once we get to certain point, I believe this will happen as fast as the one on the movie.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-03-25 at 10:40:32
QUOTE(DeadlyInnocence @ Mar 25 2006, 10:36 AM)
All it needs is the one little boost for it to melt.

It might not happen in our lifetime or even in our childrens' lifetimes. But if it happens, it might as well be the end for us.

Once the disruption begins, it won't stop. It is like domino effect. It might be happening slowly, but once we get to certain point, I believe this will happen as fast as the one on the movie.

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That Domino effect will take around 200 years to devolp. In which case we have plenty of time to figure out a way to stop it? And a little boost? It's around -120 degrees in Antartica. That little boost is a rise of 152 degrees.
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