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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-25 at 01:54:52
Alright, this topic isn’t made for people to flame. So keep that in note. We all know what Hitler did, hey killed millions of jews//germans. Some people say that he was crazy. Well I don’t really think he was CRAZY but I think he did go a little overbored, the Hitler’s hatred to jews started early. When he was just a kid his mother had breast cancer and she had a jewish doctor. The jewish doctor treated his mother with a medicen that is deadly, well it killed her. So there was a spark of hatred to them. When ww1 started hitlers hatred to jews grew deeper. Then from then on Hitler decided that jews werent worthy, so did millions of other Europeans. Witch is one the reasons why Hitler became so powerful. Now we all know what Hitler did was wrong, I say he should of killed the jewish doctor, all the other jews had nothing to do with what the doctor did. But how can Americans complain? I mean look what you guys did to the Indians, hell they are nearly gone. Unlike the jews who are lawyers and more, the Indians spell beads on the side’s of highways. Also, look what stalin did to his own. Also I think Hitler was stupid for a lot of the things he did in ww2. But there are so much things he screwed up on I wont even bother listing. Anyway, lets discus about him, he successes, failures. Or anything else related to this topic.

Note: NO censored.gif ING FLAMING!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-25 at 02:52:56
Hitler rose to power through ignorance.. Not because millions of other people hated Jews, too.

You forgot about how he went to jail, and wrote Mein Kampf.

I also heard something entirelly different about the mother thing. I heard his parents were jews, and they treated him like shiz (I think from the history channel)

In my opinion, Hitler was a tactical genious. But he was a looney.

Just like most other geniouses are. Like myself. smile.gif [/endegotism]

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But to add onto this, I think his greatest achievment was how he manipulated the mass, and got into power through anarchy. Well.. Damn near close to anarchy
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-03-25 at 03:12:43

Hitler was NOT a tactical genius. Rommel was.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (SEN)Dante50 on 2006-03-25 at 04:13:48
Hitler was some derranged lunatic who was dropped on his head when he was born. I think the part of his brain that deals with things like sensibility, peace, and...sanity was destroyed when he was dropped. And i agree, he wasn't a tactical genius. He was too stupid (strateigically, of course). And he knew he would lose, that's why he killed himself. closedeyes.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-03-25 at 10:15:06
Hitler started a small hate for jews because he was a retard. Seriously, a jewish doctor couldn't help his mom so he decides that it's because he's jewish? What an idiot.
QUOTE(Zombie @ Mar 25 2006, 01:54 AM)
But how can Americans complain? I mean look what you guys did to the Indians, hell they are nearly gone. Unlike the jews who are lawyers and more, the Indians spell beads on the side’s of highways. Also, look what stalin did to his own.[right][snapback]452510[/snapback][/right]

Americans can complain because they weren't killing "Indians" as an act of genocide, but because we were stubborn and wanted more land. And when they refused to leave we resulted to violence. It's not something to be proud of, but it's nothing compared to Hitler who just got bored one day. Also a big reason jews are still around today (Besides the population being a lot larger then the 1800s) is probably because America helped out, there's also the whole Sweden thing, and other places in Europe where jews could stay.
Don't compare america's past or present history to what hitler did, they're nothing alike.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-25 at 12:06:40
Well, some things in history can be compared to Hitler.

Like his camps for jews.

We had camps for Asians.

His needless killing of Jews

Our needless killing of Native Americans.

Sure, they are only two things, but hey. At least there is some things that can be compared.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-03-25 at 16:28:57
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Mar 25 2006, 02:52 AM)


In my opinion, Hitler was a tactical genious.  But he was a looney.


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No.

Battle of Britain: Failure. Ordered by? Hitler.

Deranged directives? Not one step back. If you're surrounded by the enemy on all sides, you can't do shiz about it. You can't try to break out, or you get shot at home. You can only entrench yourself, and die. That was hitler's idea, too.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-25 at 17:28:38
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Mar 25 2006, 12:52 AM)
Hitler rose to power through ignorance..  Not because millions of other people hated Jews, too.

You forgot about how he went to jail, and wrote Mein Kampf.

I also heard something entirelly different about the mother thing.  I heard his parents were jews, and they treated him like shiz (I think from the history channel)

In my opinion, Hitler was a tactical genious.  But he was a looney.

Just like most other geniouses are.  Like myself. smile.gif [/endegotism]

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But to add onto this, I think his greatest achievment was how he manipulated the mass, and got into power through anarchy.  Well..  Damn near close to anarchy
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I disagree, a lot of people disliked Jews, and Germany also felt that the treaty for ww1 was unfair a lot of anger was going through Germany. During the depression people wanted leaders who where powerful n such. The story about his mother is 100% true. Also the Americans can’t complain when they slaughtered Indians. They still like on camps, Jews don’t. Indians had it worse.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-25 at 17:54:43
well, not everyone who followed hitler liked the path they chose...they didn't want to go against humanity...but they were pretty much being forced to join or else be killed off...but ever saw the movie 'schindler's list'?its about one of them trying to save them...there were some of them risking their lives to save the jews...

anyway, back to hitler, his crimes against humanity, killing people because of hatred, power,racism, and thinking they are insignificant human beings its not only jews they killed but also people aren't german people(like they described it yellow hair, green eyes...)

maybe he was a tactical genius, but you know some of the countries would step in if there were somethign going on...hitler's army was basically being outnumbered and being cornered...usa going from the west and britain/russia striking from the east...we knew what've been going on, just we havent stepped in until they invaded poland and the u.s was already in a war with japan and the pearl harbor incident...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Caboose on 2006-03-25 at 18:07:57
*Native Americans. Indians are the type of people living in India.

Hitler wasn't a tactical genius as many any people said, Rommel was. -_- Hitler had a persusive voice(heard this from the History Channel)he could persaude the German people that the Jews are the reason why they got the short end of the stick after WW1(I think). He promised the German people what they wanted if he was the supreme leader of the country, and they believed him. They only won so many battles because of Rommel's and probably others, Hitler, I doubt, could think up a stratergy to defeat the French or anything... So. You really can't compare the Jews in Europe to the Native Americans. The Native Americans died out mainly of disease(diseases brought over from Europe), famine, and greed of the white folk over hundreds of years. Unlike the Jews which had a genocide and millions of died in a short period of time. Meh... -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-03-25 at 18:09:29
Everything about hitler was already been said countless times. What else is there to discuss? The same stuff over again? Close this topic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-03-25 at 22:21:23
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Well, some things in history can be compared to Hitler.

Like his camps for jews.

We had camps for Asians.

His needless killing of Jews

Our needless killing of Native Americans.

Sure, they are only two things, but hey. At least there is some things that can be compared.


Burning of the reichstag; 9/11?

He wasn't a tactical genius but he was a master manipulator and speaker. His idea was great, but his way of going about it was horrible. One land, one people, one belief.

I hate him for what he has done, but not for who he was.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-03-25 at 23:48:10
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Darn, that's too bad guess I can't post here cry.gif .

O.o I'm posting anyway.


Hitler was pretty smart. I mean he did take over Germany with the power of "words" (haha and people say that words can't hurt, look what happened in this situation) Then Rommel took over most of Europes mainland. No harm in that, actually it's pretty impressive compared to the German's plan in WWI (The sclifen plan or w/e it was called back then). I'm not American so you can't blame me or my ancestors about the Indians wink.gif . And who ever said that what the Americans did was any better then what Hitler did?


What caught my attenchion in WWII was the German battleship the Bismarck. It was the biggest battleship built, took out some famous British ship(an aircraft carrier, I think.) What gets me is that it was destroyed by airplanes, and on its maiden voyage.. It's really disappointing. Missile(I think) to the rudder of it screwed it over. left it dead at sea. Also from that British Aircraft Carrier there was only 3 survivors. Pretty amazing stuff, showed how awesome that battleship was.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by xszerg on 2006-03-26 at 00:24:06
Well Hitler wanted to kill all the jews if I can remember. And their is a jewish kid in my school so he failed what he wanted. Also I heard hitler had problems with like 20 jews. Like he wanted art classes and the teacher was jewish and he said no or something. I am just saying that 1 jew wasnt the problem with hitler. Even though most jewish people i know should just die because the one at my school is an idiot who thinks he is funny. Takes crap from others. Poor fag sexually harrases women and he thinks he does drugs when the fag would get busted in no time by someone and he never stays on one topic. Just to say maybe Hitler had the right idea. Unlike others think he didn't.

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Also if you compare Hitler to America. America was built on racial discrimatation and white people. I mean kill the Native Americans, black slaves, kiling anyone not white, stealing mexican territory then talking trash and doin some killing here and their. History keeps repeating its self. And it wont stop. You cant stop people from doing something. If I forget to mention things screw them becasue this is all I no.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-26 at 04:14:02
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stealing mexican territory then talking trash and doin some killing here and their.[right][snapback]453287[/snapback][/right]


Do you know anything about The Allamo? They massicured us. We lost hella bad. We then decided to buy it from them.

And you can't forget about how we Annexed Hawaii and the Phillipeans
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-03-26 at 04:24:29
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Also if you compare Hitler to America. America was built on racial discrimatation and white people. I mean kill the Native Americans, black slaves, kiling anyone not white, stealing mexican territory then talking trash and doin some killing here and their. History keeps repeating its self. And it wont stop. You cant stop people from doing something. If I forget to mention things screw them becasue this is all I no.


Well if my text book tells me correctly, it was pretty much Mexico's fault. They did open their borders to us and was like "Come on in a settle we want no trouble" and then we did. And then those texans wanted their own texas country. And then after that they wanted to join America. Which they later did.

Sooo basically hitler is smart/dumb becuase:

Made Rommel shoot himself
Pretty much allowed allied foothold in Normandy
Pretty much made the whole German 6th Army group in Russia get destroyed

many more.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-26 at 04:47:43
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Mar 26 2006, 02:24 AM)
Well if my text book tells me correctly, it was pretty much Mexico's fault. They did open their borders to us and was like "Come on in a settle we want no trouble" and then we did.  And then those texans wanted their own texas country.  And then after that they wanted to join America.  Which they later did.

Sooo basically hitler is smart/dumb becuase:

Made Rommel shoot himself
Pretty much allowed allied foothold in Normandy
Pretty much made the whole German 6th Army group in Russia get destroyed

many more.
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He didn’t allow the allies to get a foot hold on Normandy, he did defend it, and the only mistake was because he took back the tanks that where stationed there. Also he didn’t allow the Germany’s 6th army be destroyed, he should of known better and he shouldn’t of broke there treaty, they where slaughtered because of the masses of the Russians. As I have said before it was 3 Russians to every one German soldier.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-03-26 at 04:51:28
QUOTE(Zombie @ Mar 26 2006, 01:47 AM)
He didn’t allow the allies to get a foot hold on Normandy, he did defend it, and the only mistake was because he took back the tanks that where stationed there. Also he didn’t allow the Germany’s 6th army be destroyed, he should of known better and he shouldn’t of broke there treaty, they where slaughtered because of the masses of the Russians. As I have said before it was 3 Russians to every one German soldier.
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No and No.

Yes, he did not release the Panzers, which would have stopped the allies! hence he let the allies have a foothold in Normandy.

Russia = yes his fault.

He ordered his general to NOT RETREAT, STAY AND FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!! In which the general obeyed and pushed further and further into stalingrad, allowing the Russians to sweep around and surround the german army group from the north and south around stalingrad. Hence the German Army destroyed and its hitler's fault.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-26 at 04:59:53
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Mar 26 2006, 02:51 AM)
No and No.

Yes, he did not release the Panzers, which would have stopped the allies! hence he let the allies have a foothold in Normandy.

Russia = yes his fault.

He ordered his general to NOT RETREAT, STAY AND FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!!  In which the general obeyed and pushed further and further into stalingrad, allowing the Russians to sweep around and surround the german army group from the north and south around stalingrad.  Hence the German Army destroyed and its hitler's fault.
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Stop trying to spark a flame war. No and no? What are you thinking? You’re post basically just repeated what I said. He didn’t let them get a foot hold on Normandy; if he did he wouldn’t have had troops there. Hitler didn’t know when they where going to attack, so really its not his fault but he was stupid for taking the tanks back.
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Hitler split the six available Panzer divisions in northern France, and allocated three directly to Rommel. The remaining three were placed a good distance back from the beaches, and could not be released without the direct approval of Hitler's operations staff
Hitler had other places for the other tank divisions to. He split 6 of them up. 3 in northern France, three directly to Rommel. Russia’s victory was because of what you stated; it is his fault in general.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-03-26 at 05:03:04
QUOTE(Zombie @ Mar 26 2006, 01:59 AM)
Stop trying to spark a flame war. No and no? What are you thinking? You’re post basically just repeated what I said. He didn’t let them get a foot hold on Normandy; if he did he wouldn’t have had troops there. Hitler didn’t know when they where going to attack, so really its not his fault but he was stupid for taking the tanks back. Hitler had other places for the other tank divisions to. He split 6 of them up. 3 in northern France, three directly to Rommel. Russia’s victory was because of what you stated; it is his fault in general.
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Im not trying to spark anything, it just seemed like you didn't know what you were talking about and tryed to say I was wrong. And by the way the Allies were also able to get a foothold becuase Hitler was sleeping in and when he woke up he was having a tantrum and would not be disturbed, so no one dared bring it up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-26 at 05:07:43
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Mar 26 2006, 03:02 AM)
Im not trying to spark anything, it just seemed like you didn't know what you were talking about and tryed to say I was wrong.  And by the way the Allies were also able to get a foothold becuase Hitler was sleeping in and when he woke up he was having a tantrum and would not be disturbed, so no one dared bring it up.
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Lol… you need to reread some history books m8. The reason why Hitler didn’t know is because Berlin didn’t get notice Intel it was too late AND no one wanted to wake Hitler up, he wasn’t having a tantrum. He knew right after he got up. I actually pay attention in history class//read a lot of history books// listened to old tales that my grandfather told me//the internet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-03-26 at 10:08:17
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Mar 25 2006, 12:06 PM)
Like his camps for jews.

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Those camps didn't contain daily gasings, putting people in ovens, and shooting people against a wall. So they can't really be compared. I'm pretty sure everyone who was in one of those camps made it out alive, unlike the Nazi Camps.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-03-26 at 11:10:02
If hitler's smart, than bush is a #$@!ing genius.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-03-26 at 14:07:31
QUOTE(Zombie @ Mar 26 2006, 02:07 AM)
Lol… you need to reread some history books m8. The reason why Hitler didn’t know is because Berlin didn’t get notice Intel it was too late AND no one wanted to wake Hitler up, he wasn’t having a tantrum. He knew right after he got up. I actually pay attention in history class//read a lot of history books// listened to old tales that my grandfather told me//the internet.
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Yes, yes he was. My source is:

"The Complete History of World War 2" Made by the discovery channel, 10 disc DVD set.

I think they would know a little bit more about WW2 then you. And if you knew anything about hitler, then you would know that that tantrum is very much in his personilty.

Also his tantrum is also depicted in the very factual book/movie "The Longest Day" based on D-Day.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-26 at 14:49:05
you know i think the reason had his mustache like that is because he tried to copy charlie chaplin...i find that pretty funny...but it looks wierd on him.

back on topic, if hitler had access to the technology we have today i think the world would be good as dead...i mean theyd be bombing up everything with atomic bombs.

his hatred of non german people and suffering made him create a holocaust. as said before he was represented as a light of hope for his people during their depression, and convinced them to hitlers statement terms and to go against the jews. not everyone wanted to follow hitler.

to me hes just a lunatic that has too much stuck up racism and hatred and went overboard.
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