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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-03-27 at 16:12:37
This is similar to the 'Big Bang or no Big Bang' topic, but on a different subject. Try not to flame this one up wink.gif.

I generally believe in evolution, but I know many people don't. To some people it seems a bit far-fetched. I mostly believe in evolution because I doubt that any other theory as to how humans is true. For example, I doubt God put as here as I am not a religious person.

State your reasons for believing or not believing in evolution, and if you don't, answer this question: What, then, do you think made humans appear on the earth?

The 3 basic theories for how humans appeared are:
1) Evolution
2) God
3) Aliens who are observing you us and look at us like lab rats or something like that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-27 at 16:31:51
i believe there is strong evidence it was about evolution. people have their pride in a human race and refuse to believe we evolved from apes. and i guess people look at them as a mocking figure in those days, and rather believe in that god created humans...but the idea of god(which i think is created by humans) is still unknown if it exists.
they were too upset to believe in evolution, they banned the teachings of it centuries ago and prosecuted anyone who did. but then again even in some countries, science and religion simply don't mix.

i believe that the neanderthal and the prehistoric events are true though.
we are closely more related to a chimp. they have very similar human characteristics as humans do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2006-03-27 at 17:01:22
Evolution does not state that we evolved from primates at all. The theory of evolution means in basic terms "things change over time." If you have noticed, a platapoos resembles a duck and a gofer in many ways. It only looks like the 2 because it has adapted in physical ways to make him survive in his surroundings. People on the other hand are all mutants. Everytime one passes an offspring, part of the dna code does not come back right, making them change in a way that will not help them. We call this mutation. For instance, people with only 2 fingers or have no legs are mutants.

God is only a myth to its believers. He has been shown as different forms, from women to black to cocaisian. Some believe he is but one god, others believe in many. We do not know the truth in which if there is a god or not. But as for life, we all started by one paramesium that became a cell. It then split in half and created 2 cells and then 4, etc... These cells began binding together to make life forms with organs or organisms.

Aliens do not exist in our solar system. Some believe they originated on Mars but it is folly. There is no proof of ancient mars civilization and the dried up water was nothing more then permafrost because of the alignment. If aliens truly exist, they exist only outside our solar system and probably resemble us. To them, we are the aliens that are watching them and studying the facts.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-03-27 at 18:12:49
QUOTE(Centreri @ Mar 27 2006, 04:12 PM)
The 3 basic theories for how humans appeared are:
1) Evolution
2) God
3) Aliens who are observing you us and look at us like lab rats or something like that.
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I believe in evolution, which in turn was started by some sort of god.

I also hate the "evolution is against the laws of thermodynamics" argument that I hear so often. Alot of anti-lutionists I know simply give it off as matter wants to revert to it's simplest form, therefor evolution cannot be possible. Everytime someone says this I want to PUNCH THEIR LIGHTS OUT. If this is true then we must be rapidly devolveing, which we obviously aren't.

QUOTE(Mp)Marine @ Mar 27 2006, 05:01 PM)
Evolution does not state that we evolved from primates at all. The theory of evolution means in basic terms "things change over time." If you have noticed, a platapoos resembles a duck and a gofer in many ways. It only looks like the 2 because it has adapted in physical ways to make him survive in his surroundings. People on the other hand are all mutants. Everytime one passes an offspring, part of the dna code does not come back right, making them change in a way that will not help them. We call this mutation. For instance, people with only 2 fingers or have no legs are mutants.

God is only a myth to its believers. He has been shown as different forms, from women to black to cocaisian. Some believe he is but one god, others believe in many. We do not know the truth in which if there is a god or not. But as for life, we all started by one paramesium that became a cell. It then split in half and created 2 cells and then 4, etc... These cells began binding together to make life forms with organs or organisms.

Aliens do not exist in our solar system. Some believe they originated on Mars but it is folly. There is no proof of ancient mars civilization and the dried up water was nothing more then permafrost because of the alignment. If aliens truly exist, they exist only outside our solar system and probably resemble us. To them, we are the aliens that are watching them and studying the facts.
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A) LEARN TO SPELL.
B) The definition of evolution is mutation working for the better, not just people are mutants. And all mutations aren't bad.
C) People did evolve from monkeys an extinct form of higher simian, and we STILL ARE primates.
D) Your theories on alien life are folly. There is VERY little chance they look like us, and the water on Mars was liquid when it existed, as the planets were much closer to the sun and everything was hotter. Hence the earth was covered in water, and jungle.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gradius on 2006-03-27 at 18:20:18
Personally i think its both. The bible says that whales and water creatures were created first, then man was created. I mean God had to create us somehow didnt he?

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Your theories on alien life are folly. There is VERY little chance they look like us,

Depends on if you believe in parallel evolution which this guy probably does.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-03-27 at 18:38:05
QUOTE(Gradius @ Mar 27 2006, 06:19 PM)
Personally i think its both.  The bible says that whales and water creatures were created first, then man was created.  I mean God had to create us somehow didnt he?
Depends on if you believe in parallel evolution which this guy probably does.
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Paralellel evolution violates teh laws of why evolution works, hence VERY little chance. But whatever, it's all good.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-27 at 18:45:04
well ,aliens do mean as in a term not from earth or otherworldly being...and i as of some of the people believe we aren't the only ones living in the universe. just because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. the universe is big and we have yet to explore it all.
and about mars, there is still strong evidence there was liquid water flowing on mars millions of years ago which let to believe if there was liquid water, it had life on it and they think there might be some liquid water beneath the martian surface. liquid water can't exist on the surface because mar's atmosphere is too thin and the water just turns from a solid(ice) into gas back into space in a fast pace. the clouds on mars are h2o and water ice clouds and there is ice on mars on the polar caps and stuff, but they think there is water which it is warm enough to melt the ice and not vaporize...
mars is indeed very similar to the earth.if the atmosphere was denser, then liquid water can exist on the surface and possible let life sprouting on it.

back to evolution, it depends on what evolution he's talking about. of human evolution history or how living being and the earth came to be today?
people back then was more strict on teaching the evolution of human beings than for the animals. we believe we were important and everything revolved around us. like saying the earth was the center of the solar system back then. people denied the theory that we weren't in the center the same way they denied they evolved from an animal. but there is proof that earth isn't in the center.

well yea animals do change to adapt to their location...but you just talked about crossbreeding between 2 animal species. humans is a species and similar ito everyone else in a way yet just everyone looks and acts different. animals mate with each other like humans do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-03-27 at 19:44:54
I do not believe that humans evolved from monkeys.

But I do believe, and know, that animals did evolve. Now according to Genesis, animals were said to have been created on the 5th "day," which was before the "day" humans came. Now I dunno how long this "day" is, but whatever it was, I was sure it was a pretty long long time, long enough for years and years of evolution to occur among the animals that existed before the humans. I believe those animals that were created on the 5th "day" were dinosaurs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2006-03-27 at 19:46:20
QUOTE(Syphon @ Mar 27 2006, 04:12 PM)
I believe in evolution, which in turn was started by some sort of god.

I also hate the "evolution is against the laws of thermodynamics" argument that I hear so often. Alot of anti-lutionists I know simply give it off as matter wants to revert to it's simplest form, therefor evolution cannot be possible. Everytime someone says this I want to PUNCH THEIR LIGHTS OUT. If this is true then we must be rapidly devolveing, which we obviously aren't.
A) LEARN TO SPELL.
B) The definition of evolution is mutation working for the better, not just people are mutants. And all mutations aren't bad.
C) People did evolve from monkeys, and we STILL ARE primates.
D) Your theories on alien life are folly. There is VERY little chance they look like us, and the water on Mars was liquid when it existed, as the planets were much closer to the sun and everything was hotter. Hence the earth was covered in water, and jungle.
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I am sorry but you are hilarious. I never said evolution was just about humans. I said ALL LIVING THINGS. WE WERE NOT ONCE MONKEYS DUDe. The theory of evolution only states "All living things change over time." Did you drop out of school or something? Everything i spelled was correct smart one. You obviously have no knowledge on the break through on mars. Perhaps go back to class and ask those questions before talking trash about the truth. All things have similar characteristics. Birds, rabbits, humans, etc... They all have 5 fingers (bones not the wings) but they have different outer features. Oh and syphon, permafrost is soil that is permanently frozen and i said because of the alignment when it was closer to the sun. How do you know if they do or do not look like us? According to scientists, aliens should possess HANDS LEGS ARMS AND HEADS. I did not say they would COMPLETELY resemble us, but they might have similar features.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-27 at 20:08:50
every species are different. but im not saying we evolved from monkies or apes, but through studies we had characteristics like them, . but where we came from are just plain theories and only think of them as facts through observations on fossils and stuff like that. we share a common ancestor is another thing.

there are thousands and thousands of types of living things on the earth. they all live in different environments, different habitats, and have different methods for survival. it can very well do the same as other planets. they don't have to be intelligent to be a living organism.

but as scientists would think, planets that has the same environment as the earth would have life similar to ours...as we have the basic supplies and structure or compounds needed to support life on the surface.

there are animals that can live in the cold, there are animals that can live in hot water, and even things that can live almost anywhere. bacteria is a living organism that can be living on mars for all we know.
the red feature of mars iron oxide which is rust. taking iron+water=rust. well i already explained what i have on mars on the other post.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-03-27 at 20:21:43
QUOTE(Mp)Marine @ Mar 27 2006, 07:45 PM)
I am sorry but you are hilarious. I never said evolution was just about humans. I said ALL LIVING THINGS. WE WERE NOT ONCE MONKEYS DUDe. The theory of evolution only states "All living things change over time." Did you drop out of school or something? Everything i spelled was correct smart one. You obviously have no knowledge on the break through on mars. Perhaps go back to class and ask those questions before talking trash about the truth. All things have similar characteristics. Birds, rabbits, humans, etc... They all have 5 fingers (bones not the wings) but they have different outer features. Oh and syphon, permafrost is soil that is permanently frozen and i said because of the alignment when it was closer to the sun. How do you know if they do or do not look like us? According to scientists, aliens should possess HANDS LEGS ARMS AND HEADS. I did not say they would COMPLETELY resemble us, but they might have similar features.
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Nor did I.
Platapoos is not a word, hence it is spelled incorectly. Gofer, etc.
You said resemble us. Which the most likely wouldn't, as I said.
Don't believe everythnig you hear in school.
Learn the principal of the kingdoms, the whole finger concept (FYI there's vast arrays of numbers for digits.)
I know what permafrost is.
I never said I knew.
Cite your scientific referance.
You didn't specify either.

You accusing ME of dropping out of school, I take as a large insult. Now then, stop flaming me. I was directing opinion. Not fact. (Even thoguh half my things were.)

I said liquid water because permafrost = UNABLE TO CARVE CANYONS.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Agamemnon(MM) on 2006-03-27 at 20:33:01
I say evolution is fact. It rests on premises that are impossible to dispute: the strong survive, the things that survive reproduce more, and as the pool of genes changes, the species itself changes. Now, I don't believe in God, but I will state that evolution does not exclude the possibility of God starting it. Other than that, there's too much evidence to dispute evolution. You can observe it happening in nature, at least on a small scale. That, I would say, pretty much clinches the deal.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-03-28 at 22:40:53
QUOTE(Syphon @ Mar 27 2006, 04:12 PM)
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I do hope you mean from a similar organism.

We DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS PEOPLE! We evolved from a similar organism; Hence, the almost exactness of our DNA.

Evolution is just how "time" passes. Time was made by man to perceive how evolution works.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-03-29 at 07:52:06
i believe i was created from god. for no reason. cause i would suicide if i believerd if i was evolved from the similar ancient cell as the monkeys.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-03-29 at 08:31:44
Here's why I don't believe in evolution. How did the eye come to be? It is based entirely on light. How did something otherwise useless just happen? The chances of the eye just being created on accident is 10[sup]150[/sup].

Plus, I am a Christian.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-03-29 at 18:02:00
Meh, evolution is still just a theory and will be for a long time. Evolution has its kinks.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-03-29 at 18:05:32
Lithium, dumbducky, StalingradK:

What are you thoughts on gravity?

To everyone who knows what I'm talking about:

SHHHH. wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stalingrad on 2006-03-29 at 18:30:37
Gravity Plane... Russian Plane... Russian Zero Gravity Plane.... I WAN'T ONE!

Meh, like a huge Ion gravity holds crap down.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by i-beat-u on 2006-03-29 at 19:54:36
QUOTE(Centreri @ Mar 27 2006, 03:12 PM)
This is similar to the 'Big Bang or no Big Bang' topic, but on a different subject. Try not to flame this one up wink.gif.

I generally believe in evolution, but I know many people don't. To some people it seems a bit far-fetched. I mostly believe in evolution because I doubt that any other theory as to how humans is true. For example, I doubt God put as here as I am not a religious person.

State your reasons for believing or not believing in evolution, and if you don't, answer this question: What, then, do you think made humans appear on the earth?

The 3 basic theories for how humans appeared are:
1) Evolution
2) God
3) Aliens who are observing you us and look at us like lab rats or something like that.
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i dont know of one person who believes in #3 confused.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Agamemnon(MM) on 2006-03-29 at 20:39:31
QUOTE(dumbducky @ Mar 29 2006, 07:31 AM)
Here's why I don't believe in evolution.  How did the eye come to be?  It is based entirely on light.  How did something otherwise useless just happen?  The chances of the eye just being created on accident is 10[sup]150[/sup].

Plus, I am a Christian.
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People have done experiments and found that complex organs can indeed evolve: Evolution Article

And, incidentally, I think you mean the odds are 10[sup]150[/sup]:1. 10[sup]150[/sup] by itself isn't a probability.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Hofodomo on 2006-03-30 at 22:46:34
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Here's why I don't believe in evolution. How did the eye come to be? It is based entirely on light. How did something otherwise useless just happen? The chances of the eye just being created on accident is 10150.


exactly true, but i disagree. the entire premise of evolution (aka change over time) is based on the possibility that out of the trillions and trillions of possible happenings, a successful combitiation simply happened by chance...this is not nor will possibly never be factually proven, but thats not the point. ie for billions of years, organisms have encountered the large probability of faliure, and the .00000000001% chance or whatever of success happened to occur.


on a small side note:
one cannot deny that it may be God who set up the circumstances....the Bible is open to interpretation
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-03-31 at 00:26:39
Evolution and the Bible could possibly be the same depending how you interpret the Bible. The "days" could be millions of years. Evolution is a series of mutations, yet where did it begin? If the first cell was just spontaneously created, doesn't that in a sense defeat the point of evolutioin? I'm probably overthinking it.

The idea of aliens just watching us seems kind of far fetch'd. For all we know, we could be the most advanced beings of the universe right now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-03-31 at 01:34:05
One thing I keep seeing over and over that is absolutely incorrectly attributed to the theory of evolution is that humans evolved from monkeys or some thing like that. Evolution states that we came from the same ancestor, meaning that it probably did not look like either a human or a monkey, but something in between. The two species developed and adapted into their seperated environments, which shaped their appearance and habits.

I believe in evolution. (what an oxymoron sounding phrase)

Although what I consider evolution is probably different from what many other people think of. I see the idea of evolving to extend past simply changing physical forms. I think that more change happens to the mentality of animals, and how their mentality allows them to adapt, only when all else has failed will the actual makeup of the animal change. With this in mind, evolution is all around us, happening everywhere. You see it with deforestation, with many animals taking up different lifestyles. (Although many are still dying, because we are killing their home...) To me evolution in the current world takes the form of our own species. We have changed greatly our veiw of the world, and are constantly expanding much of our sense of reality. This is evolution because we are adapting to the world around us, expanding and becoming better. The only drawback is that we have surpassed so much else now, and that will most likely be our downfall. There is no competition with us, upon which evolution thrives.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-03-31 at 07:09:35
I believe it is said in the Bible and the Koran that man cannot comprehend why God does what he does, and since all evidence points to God creating evolution, we can assume God created nature and created how evolution works for some reason we do not know. I can't comprehend why Christians won't accept evolution when God has created it himself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2006-03-31 at 08:04:50
We were the final product of the Xel'Naga, after the Protoss and Zerg failed. happy.gif
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