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Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-04-05 at 21:52:37
Remember those days when we used to go to Zoo for birthday and watch those cute animals just hang around?


Some animals are becoming endangered and becoming extinct very fast. Due to human intervention and environmental chaos, animals are suffering. Zoos... What exactly is their purpose in keeping animals? Animals are supposed to run wild in their own environment and not be kept behind the bars.

On the other hand, the zoos keep some endangered animals living. many species have been blessed under the touching cares of the humans and survived longer.

Which is your belief? Do you think that zoos are really great? or are they the evil torture den for animals?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-04-05 at 22:01:20
The animal doesn't die behind those bars, very often, so I'd say it's good.

But, poachers, THOSE are bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LittLeLives on 2006-04-05 at 22:30:05
Well most of the time the animals being kept there are endangered so the zoo keepers try to let them stay in the same type of surroundings but be watched and cared for by trained for professionals.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-04-06 at 06:29:42
Zoos are, in fact, very important in the battle to keep endangered species alive. The old image of a zoo, with animals in little cages for the amusement of the public, is 100% incorrect. Zoos today are all geared towards conservation - they engage in complex captive breeding programmes, which involve swapping animals between zoos and cataloguing the genetic data and pedigree of each and every individual so that they know which animals they must breed together in order to keep 90% genetic diversity in the captive species (this prevents inbreeding and promotes strong and healthy individuals).

Also, most zoos do not plan to keep their animals indefinitely. Reintroduction programmes, although fraught with difficulties (such as captive animals not being able to deal with the wild), are often in development, and the final objective is to create a self-sustaining population of a species in the wild.

Education programmes are also important in zoos these days, as they themselves are keen to be rid of their old, 19th century image as little more than permanent circuses.

To sum up, zoos are important bastions for endangered species, staffed by professionals and with the aim of eventually producing self-sustaining populations of animals in the wild. They also try to educate the general public and generate revenue to further their cause.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-06 at 07:07:14
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the conditions for animals in the zoo are good in rich countries. in poor ones conditions are bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-04-06 at 09:12:36
You may have a point there... But I know that in China, their zoos are very pro-conservation, and that in Kenya, Zimbabwe and other African countries, they don't have zoos - they have game reserves which are managed very well.

Can you give me any examples of rubbish zoos?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-06 at 15:12:18
QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Apr 6 2006, 04:12 PM)
Can you give me any examples of rubbish zoos?
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i can't give you an example, but

it all depends on money. i havent been in a russian zoo, but i suspect they're good only in Mscow city & St.Peterburg, but the rest, i think they are not so good.

find a country that's poor now but was atleast not poor in the past. oh & greenpeace shouldn't be so powerful in that country alond with the influence of the European Union.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by RyanEdwardLee on 2006-04-06 at 15:43:33
Zoos are not only good for protecting endangered speicies, they are also great places to learn about all the animals from diffrent parts of the world, i think Zoos are great for the younger to lower-teens crowd, it's also a good place for a family to bond together, at the KC Zoo, there is a walk through that talks about the endangered species and how we should protect them, it's very thought provoking, but i can't remember what it's called, but it's very good.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-04-06 at 15:52:58
Zoos are supposed to be fun. Animals don't have feelings. Animals don't have rights.

I can't believe anyone would think that it is actually cruel to put a monkey in a zoo.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-06 at 15:59:18
People that say the zoo is bad need to look at the whole picture. Zoos are made so humans can view a lot of different types of animals. They are also kept to keep endangered animals safe. Sure the animals might want freedom. But most likely they would die out there in the open.

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Animals don't have feelings. Animals don't have rights.

You sir, are a very big doo doo head. They have feelings just like us. If I hit my dog he responds and if it’s hard enough he will whine. You need to think before you post.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-06 at 16:52:05
QUOTE(Jammed @ Apr 6 2006, 12:11 PM)
i can't give you an example, but

it all depends on money. i havent been in a russian zoo, but i suspect they're good only in Mscow city & St.Peterburg, but the rest, i think they are not so good.

find a country that's poor now but was atleast not poor in the past. oh & greenpeace shouldn't be so powerful in that country alond with the influence of the European Union.
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If you cannot back up your claims, then why even make them?

QUOTE(Zombie @ Apr 6 2006, 12:58 PM)
People that say the zoo is bad need to look at the whole picture. Zoos are made so humans can view a lot of different types of animals. They are also kept to keep endangered animals safe. Sure the animals might want freedom. But most likely they would die out there in the open.
You sir, are a very big doo doo head.  They have feelings just like us. If I hit my dog he responds and if it’s hard enough he will whine. You need to think before you post.
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That flame was un-nessisary.

But how they have no rights. I agree. I farking hate Envos.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-04-06 at 16:58:37
i think that zoos are a good place to keep animals safe and a good place for fun and knowledge...people that want to study wild animals or become zoologists, the zoo is the best place to look at them visually.

anyway, it's up to the zookeeper to feed them and to keep the animals happy,safe,and healthy. the bars is just there to keep people watching them safe. there are wild animals such as tigers, lions,and others that can harm the viewers. they are put in an evironmental surrouding like they are in their own habitat to make it like their home so we can observe how they are in the wild...might not be an exact replica though.

some places also help the animals breed so they don't become endangered...such as from i remember, the sea world at san diego is a good place to help breed the orca and killer whales. they had a baby orca a few months ago.

i do think it's bad that some animals are treated in the sake of earning greedy people money. such as pinning up an animal against another one for betting and entertainment.

about the feelings of animals, they have their own actions and behavior like human beings do. they can get aggressive when you start picking on them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vi3t_X on 2006-04-06 at 17:07:30
The zoo to me is the perfect place to keep endangered animals... Why do you think they have such exotic animals there anyways? Also, they get a special diet thats usualy BETTER that their normal ones (eg. sometimes an animal cant get its food becuze its prey is gone or sumthing like that)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-06 at 20:47:38
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Apr 6 2006, 12:51 PM)
If you cannot back up your claims, then why even make them?
That flame was un-nessisary.

But how they have no rights.  I agree.  I farking hate Envos.
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I believe he was trying to state that there is a possibility that there are many zoos in the world that do in fact take crappy care of their aminals.

I thought I saw Wild Discovery show when they went to a zoo in south asia or something and there was a crocodile sitting in a dirty concrete pit with little or no water and the water that was there was hella dirty. and there was trash all around it. Pretty sad and the animal was almost dead and was living there for awhile.

and Envo terrorists are laughable at best.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-06 at 23:35:33
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Apr 6 2006, 01:51 PM)
If you cannot back up your claims, then why even make them?
That flame was un-nessisary.

But how they have no rights.  I agree.  I farking hate Envos.
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To bad there is no flame in there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2006-04-06 at 23:44:15
I believe you did.
QUOTE(Zombie)
You sir, are a very big doo doo head.
(most likely censored from the word "Dumb-Ass")


Zoos don't bother me. I think they are getting the right amount of care that the animals shouldn't care. They are fed right, have their unique environment, and have special treatments.

I have truthfully never been to a zoo, but I've seen them in indirect sources.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-07 at 03:19:06
QUOTE(Merrell @ Apr 6 2006, 08:43 PM)
I believe you did.
QUOTE(Zombie)
You sir, are a very big doo doo head.
(most likely censored from the word "Dumb-Ass")
Zoos don't bother me. I think they are getting the right amount of care that the animals shouldn't care. They are fed right, have their unique environment, and have special treatments.

I have truthfully never been to a zoo, but I've seen them in indirect sources.
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Um, no actually not.


that world is replaced by "fool"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-07 at 10:23:09
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Apr 6 2006, 11:51 PM)
If you cannot back up your claims, then why even make them?
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becawse i'm 100% sure that zoos that provide bad conditions to the animals exist in the world.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-08 at 18:04:30
You should learn some English, because I had a hard time understanding that post… Zoos provide a great living conditions to animals. Unless you have proof, you need to leave the thread. The only thing that’s wrong with animals in zoos is the fact that they are in captivity, Even though it might be better for them. I’m sure they want to return back home, that’s only natural.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-09 at 03:11:24
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Apr 7 2006, 03:47 AM)
I thought I saw Wild  Discovery show when they went to a zoo in south asia or something and there was a crocodile sitting in a dirty concrete pit with little or no water and the water that was there was hella dirty.  and there was trash all around it.  Pretty sad and the animal was almost dead and was living there for awhile.
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ok zombie, here is a person who got this information from TV.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-04-09 at 11:11:54
I think that humans should just let the animals live their lives, We are trying to find and figure everthing out, we should just stop and let the animals live their lives, zoos arent bad because they treat the animals fine, but instead of making them say in little barred areas they should be free and instead of bringing the animals to the people in zoos, bring the people to the animals in free wildlife areas!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-09 at 12:56:47
QUOTE(7-7 @ Apr 9 2006, 06:11 PM)
I think that humans should just let the animals live their lives, We are trying to find and figure everthing out, we should just stop and let the animals live their lives, zoos arent bad because they treat the animals fine, but instead of making them say in little barred areas they should be free and instead of bringing the animals to the people in zoos, bring the people to the animals in free wildlife areas!
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unfortunatley, if you want to fully let animals live their lives & not influence them you must stop polution & powerful companies from harming animals. do taht & we can not have zoo's then.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-09 at 22:54:15
QUOTE(Jammed @ Apr 9 2006, 12:11 AM)
ok zombie, here is a person who got this information from TV.
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Yea anyone can make some thing up and post it, seriously, Both of you stop posting unless you have some actuall proof not "OMG LEIK I SAW DAT SHOW AND I SAW TRASH ALL OVER AND THE PET MONKEY WAS IN A ACANGE WITH A SNAKE!1"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-04-09 at 23:04:28
How about you guys don't act like children, if you're accused of flamming you don't have to publicly addreas that you think they're wrong. You saying that doesn't decide whether or not a mod warns you so you can just ignore it.

About the zoos, I'm basically going with Will on this. About the "bad zoos" for some reason I can't see a White Tiger in Moscow Russia, maybe it's just me? If the zoo is really bad the chances of them getting there hands on an endagered species is very low. However poachers are really dumb, they kill things that are on the verge of extinction for fun? What's the point of that, to ruin someone's day, why not just go into bars and push waiters over?

Zoos are needed to keep endagered spieces alive.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-04-10 at 01:44:44
QUOTE(Zombie @ Apr 9 2006, 06:53 PM)
Yea anyone can make some thing up and post it, seriously, Both of you stop posting unless you have some actuall proof not "OMG LEIK I SAW DAT SHOW AND I SAW TRASH ALL OVER AND THE PET MONKEY WAS IN A ACANGE WITH A SNAKE!1"
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So you believe every single Zoo on this earth is run at high standards, and there are no bad zoos that do not take good care of their animals?
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