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So these are my ideas on how to improve sen. Like changing the rules n all. Here we go:

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Additions to the Rules:

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A rule should be added to say that “Some people can get away with flaming, Reported or not”

A rule should be added to say “Mods//Admins have the right to warn you / ban you without reason.”

A rule should be added to say “Do not report topics, or you will be warned for it. No matter if it’s breaking the rules or not.”

A rule should be added to say “Mods//admins do not have to let you know if you have been warned, fined etc...”

A rule should be added to say “Old sen members are allowed to flame and troll.”

A rule should be added to say “Don’t try to tell an admin about a mods wrongful warn, even if you where warned for a wrong reason.”

A rule should be added to say “Do not report mods breaking rules or anything of that sort.”

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Maybe some mentions in the FAQ section or something.

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We don’t care if you have evidence to prove if you where wrongfully warned, you’re wrong we’re right, Get over it.

Spammers are allowed.

Mod’s have the right to Threaten you and warn you if you do something they don’t like. Even if it’s off sen.

The old days are gone and passed, we don’t want you guys having NO fun here, and I mean it. Do not make funny topics. Or anything of that sort. You will be warned and \ or the topic will be closed.

We have the world filter for a reason, even though starcraft is rated “M”.

Words can hurt you and probably will make you cry.

You have no right to defend yourself in a argument, Even though most likely a mod won’t care if someone is flaming you.

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Thats all people!

Hahahahahhhaaa!!!!!

I have to agree, lol. Most of that stuff IS true.

Oh well. To bad they'll probibly lock this and warn you for it.

Instead of old, it should be Regulars and up who were here for at least 6 months

Oh, I bet these will definitely go into the FAQs...

I skipped half of that crap, only the few I saw.


What the hell are you talking about? I got my warn revoked by Moose. I also know IP has done the same thing to other members.

And Starcraft is rated M?
That's not even the point of filters.

Filters are funny, but maybe we should only allow the minor cursings, like (dont blame me for filtered words, you know what they are) biznatch, ass, and damn.

The reasons for the word filters is many... starting with not wanting to be blocked by fascist companies like websense.

What you think is a flame may not be a flame, but a simple disagreement. There's only 1 member at SeN that has reported himself. If you truly want this to be fixed, start by not flaming yourself or reporting yourself.


We've always encouraged Mods to write a PM when warning. When we ban, we don't really tell you because you won't get to read it.


Nobody has been warned for reporting, only because of the comment you may state in the report. And, we don't have to notify you of the status of your reported post.


You can see your own warn level and logs. We've also been encouraging all Mods to also write a PM. That's 1 obligatory notification and 1 which is going to be there depending on the circumtsances.


There's no rule against trolling. Old members don't get away with flaming. DK has like 40% warn, Rexy is more or less on that level and Kame has 20%. Happy?


I gave you 2 different chances to do this, I said I would revoke those warns if you write proof and s\an arguement on why it should be revoked. You all started flaming yourselves and ordering us what to do, you guys blew it on yourselves.


Ya, because I can't warn Globals or Admins because we don't have warn levels. Send somebody other than the rulebreaker a PM and we'll deal with him.



That would be because over 90% of the people who try to do this end up with a higher warn level than before because you start flaming.


What is your definition of spam then?


Outside of SeN, nothing matters. You can break a law outside your country, but you can't be prosecuted in your country for it. Mods can't threaten anybody, Moogle did it only once and we dealt with him.


Half the supposedly "funny topics" are spam. YOu already have like 10 forum games and 3 survivors.


Starcraft is rated "T". http://blizzard.com/starcraft/


So we are supposed to be babysitters now?


If someone is flaming you just report them, don't get entangled in an eventual flame war.

And a few quotes from the FAQ Forums.

And Zombie is proven right with this remark right here.



That isn't the point.. Being threatened by mods because you report to much is complete and utter non-sense (Imo). Just because you're annoying about it, doesn't mean you deserve a threatening remark from a mod.

If I am not mistakened, is Trolling not spam? Or even flame? It's a waste of a reply because it promotes flame. It is provoking the individual to attack you because of how you word your topic. Nimadude trolled me which caused my ban. Merrell trolled me in my Welcome topic. StalingradK trolled me in the "hot chick picture" thread, too.
Are you saying that you support these individual actions by anyone? I will admit that even I troll, but to the degree that Nimadude, or even Merrell has done, I highly doubt that. You allow them to come in and subtlely attack people through a slight change of way in their text? In CaptainWill's opinion (Not exact wording, but the jist of the opinion) Trolling is straight up flaming, with some spam included, in order to purposly have an individual attack you through your subtle attacks. Basicaly how I see it, it's the "bush" way to attack someone.

Yeah hu. You try to justify that reply with two people..... That doesn't work. What about Merrell? He is worse than those two. Golden-Fist? Have you seen how he attacks people? What about Euro? Hmm? Hell, even Zombie himself. Are you saying that you allow these members to troll, flame, spam, ect... because they are old members? Seems like it to me. The ONLY reason that new members do what they do (Such as Dorkhawk/Deathawk) is because the moderators do NOTHING to the members that do the actions they are not supposed to. The only person I know of that they take action against, is me. I'm at 60% already because of tiny little remarks. Compared to Euro straight out flaming, Zombie straight out insulting, Merrell straight out Trolling, Golden-fist straight out being a prick (No insult intended), I don't do jack crap anymore. Hell. One of the warns is for opening my own topic up after it was closed without my answer being answered. I find that ludicrous.

Well then isn't that a bit arrogent? "We run the site, we aren't going to have warns because we don't want to be warned". I find arrogence in that. I think that EVERYONE should be able to be punished the same, regardless of your position of power within this site. If they are Admin, or Global Mod, they shouldn't even be doing things to get themselves warned. I think they should have warn logs, to show themselves that they are slacking (if they are ever warned that is). But no one listens to me, so why should I even bother?

Actually, most everyone here says, "You deserve the warn" even if you really in fact, do not. How are we supposed to even try to show you (intelligently), when most the members on here are suckups, and would do anything to get Kudos by the Admin? I'm not a suckup. That's why I have 60% warn.

My definition of spam? I bet Zombie would agree with me, because he complains all the time about it: Deathawk

And I agree with you. But it's been done before.

Alright. You even admitted to "half the 'funny topics' are spam" so why is it that mine is the only one targeted out of most of Null? If you are going to make claims such as these, why don't you back them up, and actually do something about it??

And by the way, Starcraft was Mature when it first was released. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Are you babysitters? I hope not. But at least you could quit talking about doing things, and actually do them.

Hmmm.. "If someone flames you, just report them". Been there, done that. Nothing happens. Ever. The only way it ever happens, is if I personally go to CaptainWill and ask him to check out the topic I reported. And even then, sometimes it doesn't work.

He told me he was sick of how you guys just sit here and talk about doing things, when you really don't. I personally understand how you can't do everything, but you could be doing better. Since I've been back, I've seen a slight (And I do mean SLIGHT) increase in productivity by the authority of the site. They still close threads that don't need to be, while letting other threads that are against the rules (Popularity contests by older members are allowed) Still let spam (Deathawk and his not thought through posts) roam free. Let trollers and flamers still roam the board freely without punishment.

In my opinion, quit talking the talk, and walk the walk.

CAMO4MOD LOL!

Anyway, I have to agree with Kelly & Zombie completely, and I'm guilty of all those things.

Let's start talking about Zombie, if we put out a total of all his warns, he would've hit 400% by now.
Personally, I almost always verbally warn someone before I actually warn them. Only repeated offenders I'll warn as soon as I know about what happened. I don't get all reported posts, only a percentage of them. And I do believe that I take action against at least 3/4 of them. The 1/4 remaining marks our differences in definitions.

You do have to understand that there is moderator bias, member bias and individual bias. You can't really expect us to take action against every single reported post.



There is a problem with that, and it's not coding. It's the simple fact that an Admin won't ban himself. And if a Global Moderator gets out of hand, his position will be removed and most probably suspended.


What is the reason to point fingers in here? Just report the posts and get over it, it's not your problem.


I know, my CD case says "M". But this site was created when it was "T" and currently, it's "T".


You, or better but, all the members who have been warned were given the chance but blew it.

I agree on few things with you Zombie, especially on that little thing about elitism. But now, this is completely NOT necessary. Revolution is over as we have gained most of our needs. So either get over it or leave

Kellimus thinks all of my posts are trolls and flames because of one or two posts a while back, meh. He always likes to use me as an example just because he dislikes me.

That's already rule #9 in my rules topic - though it applies only to admins.


Unless you're abusing it by submitting tons of bogus or spam reports, I don't see how anyone could ever be warned for reporting a topic. Please cite an example.


Damn right I don't. Its good practice to, but I don't HAVE to do anything.


Maybe you should start trying.


Well, this should definitely be one of the things to start reporting. If they're telling you to stop breaking a rule or something, that's OK. Otherwise, this would go on a case-by-case basis of what they're threatening you with.


There used to be a time when StarCraft and mapping were fun.


How you choose (note: your choice) to react to ANYTHING on the internet is purely your choice and your problem. Take some responsibility for your actions. Believe it or not, people (who tend to be happy people) DO have control of their emotions and reactions. Learn it.


What's your basis for assuming the other person didn't have any moderating actions taken against them? Also, see above statement.


It would really suck if all the Admins and Global Mods logged on to find one of the moderators suspended them all and took over the site.

Bullcrap!
BeeR already proved that elitism wrong. Rexy has been warned, Kame has been warned, for those two out of the loop people who think I get some speical treatment, I get warned as well. Here's a little fact that I made up and is most likely true. For every person I'm mean to there's at least 2 other people who talk about how much I suck behind my back.
[joke]And kellimus if we weren't on such good terms I would've sent you Horse Porn [/isajokedon'tgetmadatme]

So you're telling me, that it's okay for you to point fingers at everyone else (Mainly me) Yet I cannot do the same to you, to logically define a word which is hard to define? Isn't that called Hypocricy?



Well, yes. I understand that. And after Beer explained in his second post, I now see why the reasons are like that. But it still is hard to get a mod or admin (I should know ) in trouble, because of the "elitism" as DEAD likes to describe it. No matter what, Gmods and Admins are "always right" and the members are "always wrong"... So if there was some way that we members could actually defend ourselves against a Gmod or Admin, I would totally be up for it.

As for that, yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, the code for the warn system isn't very advanced or friendly to the person being warned. That's another reason I love a site like GameFAQs, they have a well-coded system in place.

EDIT: is = isn't*

You pointed fingers at Deathawk in one of your earlier posts. So yes, it's called hypocrisy.

Instead of making a long drawn out post like some of the one's I've seen. I'll post my opinion with a simple picture:

Also, this topic only supports the fact that all Kellimus and Zombie do at SEN is cause controversy and huge discussions about the stupidest things. And cause arguments.

That's the only way I can describe Spam. So therefore, I'm not being a hypocrite, because I do not point my fingers at everyone and say, "OMG IT'S KELLIMUS!"



And you only say we make "controvery and huge discussions about stupid things" because you're sucking up. You have the largest warn log on SeN. Why not suck up to the authority, so you don't get banned eh?

I'm sure I have to suck up to authority not to get banned.

And my warn log has nothing to do with this, and for your information this was the last time I was warned:

Warned on Sep 18 2005, 01:27 AM

And to prove one of Zombie's ideas wrong about

I've had a few times where I have been wrongfully warned and suspended and then had them removed.


I'm not saying anything of this because I'm sucking up. I'm saying this because its true that the only thing you and Zombie do is post crap about how SEN sucks by complaining about all the crap Zombie said in his first post.

This is the stupidest topic I've ever seen, do you really see any use to this? Do you really think that the mods are going to suddenly realize that they were wrong becuase you posted a bunch of stupidity? Here's an idea, stop biznatching about the rules and follow them for once.

If the rules weren't warped around elitism, I could follow them more clearly.

Ok, it's now at the point where I'm getting sick of this crap.

Here are some points which you should all have noticed by now:

1. There are some members who are almost always present in flame topics.
2. Some members have been given too many second chances.
3. Some members like to complain about the quality of moderation because they can't keep their emotions under control long enough to avoid flaming, or indeed realise what flaming actually is.

You know who you are. Or maybe you don't.

I'm a very tolerant person - but my patience has almost run out with certain people.

Why didn't you lock it? I mean at the very begining?

I wasn't here at the very beginning of the topic.

This is the message that we should be conveying to all those who are complaining about the rules here:

If you don't like it, leave.

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