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I realize that BW maps have more possibilites, better graphics, etc., but what about us SC players, huh?

Who the hell is Vannilla?

Most people play Brood War now.

Lost Temple is vanilla map, thats all you need ^_^ (except with the so called "rigged" zerg..)

Sc regular was kinda cool because zerg were alot weaker.

Ok..WTF VANILLA AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Yeah but BW Zerg Strong...they got Lurkers and Devourwers...and new abilities and stuff...the works...Bw pwns.

Obsolete. Over and done with. Just buy Brood War, you cheapskate.

Were you calling me a cheapscape because I HAVE Bw.

Then play it. What's the point of playing Vanilla when you can play... um... Let's see... A better game?

What about little Timmy who doesn't have BW yet, no good maps for him? I think not, we should all try to make a vanilla map once in a while! ...Just not me.

WTF IS VANNILA???

And Screw little timmy...He can play his "Vanilla" maps all day long

I'm asuming Vanilla = origional

Ill take some of my maps and edit it so it's regular, now shush.

Vanilla: Normal SC compatable: You don't need Bw
Oh, I thought you meant non-UMS, but if you mean by vanilla norm SC compatable, sure.

Most of my friends play vanilla melees, and I like them more thant BW melees. In BW all three races are... hmmm... too strong. The new units are too strong. So:
Melee = Vanilla
UMS = BW


PD: Vannilla = Original

I used to play original starcraft everyone and while. It was ok, but I have to agree that you should just play brood war. It balences the game more in my opinion.

Thats right Zerg are strong. Bow to the Zerg legion. Fight for the brood. The Zerg owns you! Aahahahahahahaha!

If when by the time in done with my map it is still actually a scm then i'll keep it that way. But I don't feel any remorse when i change my map to a scx.

This is a UMS site so it dont matter really if a race is rigged or sucks. I need my lurkers and medics in maps SC is obselete i agree with whoever said just buy BW cheapskate $10, you dont even have to if someone burns it off for you.

I suppose I could make maps without the extra 2 units for each race,
but... you also have to try to buy brood war,normal sc is.... how u say.... BORING.



And besides, most of the ppl here are not gonna give up the brood war stuff for the few normal sc players that are left.

Well, most people say that Brood War balanced everything out (in fact, some conspiracy theorists believe that Blizzard deleted the "balancing" units from BW on purpose in order to intice people to buy Brood War once it came out, giving Blizz an extra $20).

However, I haven't played "hardcore" melee (aka I was never a complete pro though I was also not a n00b), so I'm not sure about the "balancing" thing. Besides, how can all three races be "too strong"? If one race is stronger than it was before, and the other 2 races are also stronger than they were before, then all three races are balanced (aka if 1 becomes 2 and the other 1's also become 2's, it really doesn't matter... does it? Unless you're talking about too many units dying/being built to be massed, in which case, there's still plenty of micromanagement in StarCraft.)

As for UMS, well, Brood War has more options, and even though the "balancing" argument that is valid for melee is not valid anymore for UMS, it's still nice to have those extra units and heroes because they can add to the complexity of the map/the overall amount of units you can modify and use for your own purpose. However, if you're not going to use those extra units in your map, don't make it Brood War-only.

Oh, and, btw, Brood War only costs young Timmy $5.
...and if he's living in a third world country, he STILL can afford it because in third world countries, the software salespeople pirate games and sell them for cheaper than retail (notice: I'm not encouraging the pirating of games, especially SC/Brood War).
...and if Timmy lives in the USA and is just poor, I have an idea.

What if, let's say, people re-made existing maps (read: existing, not new ones like this topic encourages) from being Brood War-only to supporting regular SC? I know for a fact that most maps don't use the extra 5 units that Brood War gives, so what's the big deal here? Sure, maps like Yoshi Da Sniper's "The Matrix" (which still hasn't come out yet so I don't know for sure) probably use all the capabilities of a Brood War map, but about 90% of the UMS maps out there could easily be converted into vanilla format.

With "too strong" I mean that well... the new units can kill too much. Lurker, devoureur, DT, DA, corsair, medic, valkyrie, them all are too strong, or have really good abilities. They are like 2 times strong than vanilla units.

Your words... they hurt my head..... but are you telling us to take a map, mod it, and make a new version? theres already 50 versions of everything out there. I say all the mapmakers should band together and make a new system
The creators can make 2 v's of their maps,one sc, one bw. The one with sc can have a "V" at the end of the map name so they know its vannila. As for the ums maps already made, unfortunatly the normal sc players will not be graced by their one trigger mass map wonders.
Actually ure wrong.If you had read the Stragety guide that came with my game,All the brood war units are counter attackable with sc units. The lurker is easily melted away by a sci vessel. The valkrie is downed fast by a dragoon. The Archon can just be overun by lings. the corsair is always weak against a scourge. the devourer can just be killed by any light airship (the devourer is only good against heavy ships).If the medic is irradiated by a sci vessel,not only does it waste away, but when it tries to heal a fellow unit it actually makes it worse. etc etc.

I tried to do that...it worked pretty well except for some balancing issues I needed to fix (and some bugs when you play it on broodwar)..but thats a good idea ^_^

I just like the extra triggers in Brood War. Shared Vision rocks!

and the extra colorS ^_^ everyone loves red/black/slight green