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Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-05-01 at 19:19:06
As many of us know, oil, coal, and natural gas won't last us forever. There are many suggestions, such as solar, wind, hydro, or geologic power. However, one that sticks out the most and is one of the more controversial topics is nuclear power. Nuclear power is claimed to be the results in the least amount of deaths in comparison to fossil fuels. Also, if we managed to perform nuclear fusion, we probably wouldn't have to worry about energy for millions of years, maybe even billions. On the other hand, we have the issue of radioactivity and waste. Most waste is sent into landfills which pollutes groundwater and causes mutations in plants and animals in the contaminated area. Will nuclear power be our future source of energy? If you think so, why? If you don't, what do you believe will be the future source of energy?

Personally, I believe people should turn to nuclear power since scientists are developing ways to reuse the waste. There have only been about 10 serious accidents in the history of nuclear power. Also, it is a clean fuel, meaning it doesn't pollute the air or water to the point where it is harmful. I believe that too many people are afraid of radiation. For instance, meat companies wanted to radiate their product as to get rid of bacteria, but when people found out about this, they boycotted the product. Sadly, they failed to realize that radiating meat to get rid of bacteria does not make the product radioactive. I just think people should suck it up and choose nuclear power. After all, oil and natural gas will only last until around 2020 to 2050 and coal will last until about 2100.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2006-05-01 at 19:28:26
they have made that E-85 Ethanol stuff. cars that run on corn smile.gif

the problem with nuclear powered cars is that it would be wicked expensive. there is always the possibllity for someone to figure out how to arm the nuclear core and it'll blow up a lot of stuff.

there is my idea, magnetic cars. picture this : a metal frame of a car with a bottom bed made of electromagnets. turn the car on and it powers up. you ift off the ground and hover. thus, no tire problems, gas wouldnt matter, smooth ride, and everlasting fuel. the only drawbacks is they will have to make magnetic roads or ones with large deposits of iron. another one is the cars would stick together. sad.gif could pose a problem.

there is one powered by hydrogen and the by product is water smile.gif but its under development
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-05-01 at 19:34:18
Imagine all the planes and satelittes going down. Also, imagine the costs of putting the iron in place, which involves the tearing down of highways, freeways, and other such routes.

A car wouldn't have a nuclear core, that's just silly. It would be like an electric car.

Corn rules.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2006-05-01 at 20:49:23
QUOTE(HolySin @ May 1 2006, 05:33 PM)
Corn rules.
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hells ya lol wink.gif

yeah you got a point with the satalites but its just my proposal.

and satalites can be converted to radio waves right?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-05-01 at 23:14:32
A giant chunk of metal can be converted into a radio wave? It would have to move at the speed of light to be converted into energy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-05-02 at 01:15:54
I think a combination of Solar and Wind are the best ones, maybe even hydro electic as well. Mainly because they're safe and will never deplete or cause harm.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-05-02 at 01:32:57

Depleted Uranium = Virtually no risk.


Nuclear is the way to go for the future.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-05-02 at 03:55:28
i think those who think nuclear power is good are not looking into the future.

nuclear (on uranium) power leaves highly radioactive waste, not much from every powerplant, but if the whole world will start using it... the only real thing we can do is berry it underground. those chambers in which it is held are not eternal. our earth's core is mooving, metal is slowly destroyed by corrosion. we will have to deal with it sooner or later.

you can't dump your S**t into the earth forever.

the only nuclear power that can save us is Hydrogen, becawse the only thing that it leaves is Helium.

i think solar energy, wind energy, & water energy are the things that we should use, but i know that politicians will choose nuclear power. wallbash.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DarK on 2006-05-02 at 17:05:49
Of course they will

But nuclear power plants, are dangerous and 10 is maybe a small number but not for nuclear disasters..

Then theres the problem that in the short run water, sun and wind energy is more expensive than nuclear energy, of course nuclear research is needed. But nuclear power will most obviously dominate for hundreds of years because of humanity's greed, but of course they produce big amounts of energy. But overall nuclear powerplants = doom.. Maybe in the futre they will make nuclear fusion. But im sure non of us who are alive atm will be alive then lol.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-05-02 at 17:44:22
QUOTE(Jammed @ May 2 2006, 01:55 AM)
i think those who think nuclear power is good are not looking into the future.

nuclear (on uranium) power leaves highly radioactive waste, not much from every powerplant, but if the whole world will start using it... the only real thing we can do is berry it underground. those chambers in which it is held are not eternal. our earth's core is mooving, metal is slowly destroyed by corrosion. we will have to deal with it sooner or later.

you can't dump your S**t into the earth forever.

the only nuclear power that can save us is Hydrogen, becawse the only thing that it leaves is Helium.

i think solar energy, wind energy, & water energy are the things that we should use, but i know that politicians will choose nuclear power. wallbash.gif
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8 feet of dirt and a couple inches of lead will stop all the radiation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2006-05-02 at 17:57:05
QUOTE(HolySin @ May 1 2006, 09:14 PM)
A giant chunk of metal can be converted into a radio wave? It would have to move at the speed of light to be converted into energy.
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i ment that they could use a different frequency of light that wont be disrputed by iron
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-05-02 at 18:36:45
Fusion, anybody?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-05-02 at 18:39:45
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ May 2 2006, 04:36 PM)
Fusion, anybody?
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Uncontrollable reaction, anybody?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2006-05-02 at 18:55:51
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ May 2 2006, 04:36 PM)
Fusion, anybody?
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QUOTE(Demaris @ May 2 2006, 04:39 PM)

Uncontrollable reaction, anybody?

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pick me pick me

if they could stabalize it and make it fit into a car, then mabey we should consider useing fusion but until then, BURN THE GAS!!!!! YAHOOOO
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-05-02 at 19:02:33
Fusion is the same reaction as a star. It requires melding two hydrogen isotopes (deuterium and tritium), but this can only be done at a temeperature of 100,000,000ºC. As far as we know, there isn't any material on earth that can endure that temperature. The French claim they have done it, but it only lasted less than 0.0..3 seconds, which makes me believe they're full of crap.

Look at this though, hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. One gram of deuterium-tritium (DT) fuel has the energy equivalent to 45 barrels of oil. Uranium itself is filled with energy, in fact, one kilogram of uranium oxide produces heat equivalent to 16 metric tons of coal. Knowing the potential of this energy, does this change anyone's mind about nuclear power?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2006-05-02 at 19:33:49
it's just like spider man.

only it's not quite so possible. theres no way we could get enough fusion to fuel 5 billion cars. and the problem is that we cant handle that kind of tempture. basicly we gotta go to the sun to get that
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-05-02 at 19:42:21
I think Futurama's plan of using Whale Oil seemed ok with me, at least it doesn't kill 100s of animals from shipping. Since they're whale we can just lure them close then kill them
(THAT WAS A JOKE, KILLING WHALES IS BAD)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-05-02 at 19:56:58
So you know, the Futurama joke is a pun on some Asian countries. The fact that some of them get angry towards the U.S. for using so much fossil fuels, yet they ignore the policies towards aquatic life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2006-05-02 at 20:05:28
point is that the world is doomed lol

no matter what we do, we are goning to run out of gas before we develop any new form of technology. that might be a while before we reach the point of new technology sad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-05-02 at 20:24:06
QUOTE(Toothfariy @ May 2 2006, 04:55 PM)
pick me pick me

if they could stabalize it and make it fit into a car, then mabey we should consider useing fusion but until then, BURN THE GAS!!!!! YAHOOOO
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Do you realize how big a fusion reactor would have to be? Radiation shielding makes it very unusable for anything but electricity production.

Electrolysis + Fuel Cells FTW.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vi3t_X on 2006-05-02 at 20:28:39
So far... these are the results

Nuclear: RADIOACTIVE
Solar: What if a cloud comes by and blocks the sun?
Hydro Elec: Too expensive; floods
Electric: We gonna run out of soon
Coal/Gas/Oil: We gonna run out VERY SOON
Heat/Steam: Too old, but might work
Chemical: Like the corn thing he talked about
Hydrogen: Non-Economical
Sound: How TF are you gonna use sound energy!

WIND: PERFECT
Never ending supply
Constatnt energy
HUMANS ARE SAVED! w00t.gif

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HUMANS:

1) Burn a corsp to make energy [and prevent zombies!]
2) Canabalize a corsp [no more food!]
3) Nothing, just make the corsp go to corsp heaven and leave
rubble on the floor

JK
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-05-02 at 20:32:56
QUOTE(Vi3t_X @ May 2 2006, 06:28 PM)
So far... these are the results

Nuclear: RADIOACTIVE
Solar: What if a cloud comes by and blocks the sun?
Hydro Elec: Too expensive; floods
Electric: We gonna run out of soon
Coal/Gas/Oil: We gonna run out VERY SOON
Heat/Steam: Too old, but might work
Chemical: Like the corn thing he talked about
Hydrogen: Non-Economical
Sound: How TF are you gonna use sound energy!

WIND: PERFECT
          Never ending supply
            Constatnt energy
            HUMANS ARE SAVED!  w00t.gif

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HUMANS:

1) Burn a corsp to make energy [and prevent zombies!]
2) Canabalize a corsp [no more food!]
3) Nothing, just make the corsp go to corsp heaven and leave
    rubble on the floor

JK
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Thunderstorm or Hurricane = No more Turbine.
Plus, they are very expensive to set up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2006-05-02 at 20:39:32
QUOTE(Vi3t_X @ May 2 2006, 06:28 PM)
So far... these are the results
Hydro Elec: Too expensive; floods
Electric: We gonna run out of soon
Sound: How TF are you gonna use sound energy!

WIND: PERFECT
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ok hydro wont make floods cause the biproduct of hydrogen makes only few ounces. not even enough to drink from a glass.

how tf are we gona run of out electric power? we can make some. useing your wind idea. and gravity makes some with waterfalls

sound produces shockwaves in space. if we could harness the power of a shockwave then we could in part use sound and eletric power to run cars

wind... are we gona use sails? how will wind power a car???


i gotz an idea for cars.

ok you know those wind up McDonalds hot wheels things? do thast with cars smile.gif

what do you think?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-05-02 at 21:03:09
QUOTE(Vi3t_X @ May 2 2006, 06:28 PM)
So far... these are the results

Nuclear: RADIOACTIVE
Solar: What if a cloud comes by and blocks the sun?
Hydro Elec: Too expensive; floods
Electric: We gonna run out of soon
Coal/Gas/Oil: We gonna run out VERY SOON
Heat/Steam: Too old, but might work
Chemical: Like the corn thing he talked about
Hydrogen: Non-Economical
Sound: How TF are you gonna use sound energy!

WIND: PERFECT
          Never ending supply
            Constatnt energy
            HUMANS ARE SAVED!  w00t.gif

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
HUMANS:

1) Burn a corsp to make energy [and prevent zombies!]
2) Canabalize a corsp [no more food!]
3) Nothing, just make the corsp go to corsp heaven and leave
    rubble on the floor

JK
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No, wind is not perfect. Wind isn't necessarily constant, the amount of wind blowing can be very low at times. Wind mills are only good in certain areas, such as mountain passes or hill tops. Also, I'm confused as to why you say electricity will run out? Electricity is what all the energy sources provide, so I doubt it will run out any time soon.

Because each of these energy sources have their own flaws, none of them can provide the whole world enough energy alone. However, nuclear power sure does come close to it, which is why I'm pro-nuclear power.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nimadude on 2006-05-03 at 02:40:27
QUOTE(HolySin @ May 2 2006, 03:02 PM)
Fusion is the same reaction as a star. It requires melding two hydrogen isotopes (deuterium and tritium), but this can only be done at a temeperature of 100,000,000ºC. As far as we know, there isn't any material on earth that can endure that temperature.  The French claim they have done it, but it only lasted less than 0.0..3 seconds, which makes me believe they're full of crap.

Look at this though, hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. One gram of deuterium-tritium (DT) fuel has the energy equivalent to 45 barrels of oil.  Uranium itself is filled with energy, in fact, one kilogram of uranium oxide produces heat equivalent to 16 metric tons of coal. Knowing the potential of this energy, does this change anyone's mind about nuclear power?
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have you heard of the hydrogen bomb? It performs nuclear fusion

in that bomb they use x-rays to trigger the fusion
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