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So far SEN's topics and forums are a great resource for mappers/modders, but recently I noticed something was missing...

I think SEN should have a Campaign forum for mappers and modders,
since campaigns are a area of modding that requires allot of mapmaking skills that very few modders have,
and requires other things which most mapmakers don't understand (such as AI programming)

In short, I think the forum could help both modders, and mapmakers create quality projects


If you make it, it should probably consist of the following forums: AI Programming, Idea Discussion, Campaign Mapmaking, and Campaign Assistance (and maybe more )

Well:
A) Campaigns are not that popular (From what I've seen)
B) They take a really long time.
But i'm going with A here, the last campaign I saw was Saga of Doodan.

*I Vote Yes
Finally, someone has the guts to stand up and say what this site really needs. Everyone else just tries to be conservative and says the moderators are great. Nothing should be held against someone for them making suggestions. Campaigns is as important aspect as any other mapping type. Also, this would be good if you ever wanted to merge with CampaignCreations.org.

Nothing is stopping you from using PMs to collaberate on making campaigns.

Actually, there's alot stopping you from doing that...

Campaigns are fairly big projects, and can require alot of people to make one (unless you want to finish in a year)

The only reason that I'd see for this to happen, is AI Programming. The others can just be resolved by using the UMS Maps forums, because after all, Campaigns are a package of UMS Maps put toghether.

But personally, the reason we won't have a Campaign Forum dedicated to those aspects which you mentioned is because of lack of community. There's only a handfull of people at SeN that dedicate themselves to making Campaigns, if there's enough people to go around, I'd fully support a Campaign Forum.

AI Programming -> "Campaign Forum"
Idea Discussion -> Idea Forum
Campaign Mapmaking -> "Campaign Forum"
Campaign Assistance -> Mapmaking Assistance Forum

The "Campaing Forum" will be dedicated as a showcase of your Campaigns and for assitance in Campaign-only aspects, the rest, we already have forums for that.

It's time the modders and campaign creators had some say in this site. Sending PMs back and forth in developing a project is difficult.

I suggest a simple Campaign Forum under UMS maps to support campaign makers.

1. We have more then enough dedicated people for that

as for the topics:
AI Programming should have it's own forum in the Campaign Forums,
and Campaign Assistance couldn't use mapmaking assistance instead since it would cover things other than mapmaking

Beer Keg you don't understand. We have plenty of Campaign Creators here, and even more will come if we had a forum. How do you know how many Campign Creators we have if we don't have a forum?

I used to try to make campaigns, and they sucked. But a campaign forum would be nice, but there's no need to have multiple... Maybe an AI Subforum or something, but nothing too extravagent.

Then why do we only have 10 Campaigns in the DLDB, aside from the ones that Blizzard made?



Making a Campaign is essentially, the same as a map. You have the same triggers, map mechanics and such. The only thing that changes is the Load Scenario trigger and a storyline that covers many maps. I had a Campaing in the works about 2 years ago, and I know what's involved. The reason I'm incorporating AI Programming, is because it's not an actuall part of Mapmaking and because I've only seen Campaign people do it.

Sure, you can make a basic (and I mean basic) campaign pretty easily with only mapmaking,
but more advanced Campaigns require a bit more work...


If you don't believe me, read some of these tutorials

This site doesn't attract campaign creators.


A campaign is much longer, requires alot more work, and is based on melee. Try posting 10 maps in Map Making Assistance and you'd see why this site needs one.

Modders don't? What site are you using?

I hope you weren't trying to go against what BeeR said. You basically proved his point. Campaigns are just more maps in a .zip file. And it only takes more work because there's more then one map.
And how can there be "plenty of campaigners" when the site "doesn't attrach them".

What I was saying was that there are so many good modders here, and it would be ashame for them not to be able to make campaigns here if they wanted.


People would be more inclined to make them if they saw the "Campaign Forum".

Anyway, what is with this left wing conservative stuff?

Yes, brand us left wing Conservatives. That really makes us think differently.

Anyway, you can Modding General Discussion to collaberate mods. (Example: here)

Well, I guess it would also work to make it a forum in the modding section with it's own subforums
(at least untill it gets big, if it gets big... )

[offtopic]and theres 37 mods, those minor modifications count even though their smaller then total conversions[/offtopic]

So is the idea rejected completely?

Which have all been done in single maps.



Not to start dissing around at Campaings, but not all of them are Melee based. I've played a few UMS Campaigns that are great. And in the end, it's the same works as a map.



I have not rejected it completely, I said I would fully support my first post in this thread if you could show us that there's enough interest in Campaigns at SeN.

Would it help if I created polls for it in the Ideas forum and Modding General Discussion forums?
(would have to post it in both so mappers and modders see it)

I'm interested in making & playing campaigns.

This sounds cool to me. Perhaps having a campaign section would attract more campaign makers to the site. Personally, I love making campaigns. The biggest problem I have with them though is time. They DO take forever. Plus, you have to remember every little thing across the spread of 20 maps. Aside from testers, I've made my campaigns alone, but I'd love to collaborate with some other people if given the chance.

I'll make a Poll about how many people actively do, or are willing to do Campaings.

Poll is at http://www.staredit.net/index.php?act=ST&f=61&t=30256&st=0 in the Staredit Related & Freelancers forum.