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I shall pose the question again this time without a picture so it doesnt go off track.

Is magic real?

Well, what I think, then it isn't real. But I've always wished that it was real.

Magic is something made up by people. I'll tell you what is real by my opinion - concentration of your spiritual energy. Different people think of it in different ways. But the idea is the same I think - your mind has huge power within it, you just don't know how to use it.

This is what has driven me to a few "how-to magic" sites.

I'd like to think that magic is real but it isn't, in my opinion. It is all just a bunch of illusions to make you think it is real. Magician = Master illusionists.

I well and truely believe where u are coming from, but if you can, please explain how i got a wheel to spin under a glass jug, with no possible air to move it.
And i showed it to my friends and they said they could easily see it moving.
i doubt you can answer this

But then again, everyone is allowed to believe what they want.

Quit making threads about controversial things. It only starts flame wars.

There'd be no discussion if there was no controversy, and I don't think you're helping stop the flames, Kelly.

"Magic", in my opinion is real, but it's not derived from some mystical power. I believe that it's from Satan. There is not 'white magic', and it's no different than 'black magic'.

However, I do belive in psionics such as telepathy, telekinesis, and remote viewing.

Psy/ESP is the 4th Dimension.

Magic IMO is real. But not to the extent that fantasy novels make it seem.

Ever heard of the Indian Rain Dance? I believe that is some form of magic.

Psy/ESP is energy, not a dimension.

And @ the rain dance. Did it work?

Yes, it did.

No I dont think that magic is real, there are people who can do amazing things that look like it is magic. I dont believe in it because I dont want to, it could though!

Magic is what people call it when someone does something that no one understands how. Think about lightning. God's wrath, it's magic. Then Mr. Franklin came along and proved it was just static electricity, caused by air molecules rubbing together. No one ever connected lightning to magic again.

Rain dances happened only because they KNEW it was coming. They saw a dark cloud coming, and they danced. Making weird physical actions doesn't make rain.

Magic is really bull, but it's amazing to watch. David Blaine's street magic and his second one was awesome. I liked how he ripped the card up (and showed the ripped pieces), put it in the girl's hand, and she opened it and it was just bent. He also read people's minds "Pick a number between 1 and 300" *Touches forehead and pretends to meditate* "234" "Uhh..yeah.." It's crazy.

Only problem with david blaine, is the stuff you see on the shows are re-inacted, the people on tv are all hired actors. I'm sure he can do that stuff though.

ITs an ILLUSION PPL!


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Oh..really? I have thought of that, but they would let him do that?


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Yeah we've kind of figured that part out already.

i learned how to do many magic tricks, and many have invovles having a staged member in the audience. Most of the crazy magic is proformed by actors. David Blaine is crazy though. In his show, at the beggining, he says to the tv, pick a card. then he flicks the deck and ur card appears on top!!!! I watched it twice, and for some reason, I always chose the same card.

That should be ringing alarm bells don't you think?

It's a... arg, i forget the name of it, but basically a trick played on your mind.

When flipping the deck infront of you, the card he wants you to pick is shown for a split second longer, more on that later. Your mind registers the card its most familiar with, which is the majority of the time the card you saw for that split second longer (considering the rest of the cards are usually shown too quickly to be registered by your mind, that compounds the effect)...

At that point, its a simple cut or some sleight to get the card to the top of the deck...

As to how to get the right card to show for longer, multiple ways of doing this fluidly, simple one being placing the card that happens to be infront of the card he expects you to pick lower, so when your finger gets to it, it has to skip across that empty space, resulting in a split second longer... Example:

Say you have 10 cards, and you expect the person to memorize the red card, you start showing the deck starting from the green card, to the orange card... (imagine the 2 rows making 1 card...)

The card infront of the red card is pulled down a bit, so its not shown to the person, and as the finger goes past it, it gives a longer glimpse of the red card to the person... its an awsome effect, try it urself

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As for the rain dances, yeah, I highly doubt that worked... One reason for it "possibly" working was already given, the other being that they likely danced all the time... sooner or later, rain would come, and what would the attributed reason be? The rain dance, of course!

Ill post what i had in the other thread and go further. (I ran out of time before)

I believe in Psi-Energy but not in the way shown in that pic. This also goes along with my Vampire beliefs aswell. You see, from my perspective Vampires come in 2 types: Sang (Blood) and Psi (Energy). Psi, in my opinion, is like auras and our own energy that we have/use/give off in our auras. It cannot be 'seen' persay but many claim to be able to view auras when in a meditative or otherwise concentrated state.

My belief is that Psi energy is there, but it cannot interact with physical matter as per my beliefs it is on a diffrent plain then the physical one on which we exist with all our items/objects/ect. These are parallel plains and cannot be crossed. However a determined and trained mind has the 'ability' to focus or disipate this energy in a given area on the corresponding place between the plains. Psi Vampires, usually gifted with empathy, can feed of this energy instead of blood. Psi Vamps also can usually manipulate energy better then those who are not Vampiric.

So to break it down quite simply i believe that 'magic' in a sense can be discribed in 2 ways:
Things we dont understand.
Things that involve Psi energy.

And on magicians and things like that: If its on TV, 90% chance its fake. In person its probobly 65-85% fake. Hired actors can do wonders.

-DB

I believe there is no black/white magic, it is all neutral. It is the user who decides if it will create "black" or "white" outcomes.

Most hypnotists use an audience member they know is seceptable for their tricks. They do some stuff that is minor and the audience doesn't really pay attention, but if someone reacts in a specific way, he chooses them.

Some decks have every other card the same, so it'd be something like: 1353J363K3... so that it looks all different when you flip through quickly, but it's not. Accompanied with that is sometimes a slight indent in some of the cards so that they can be reversed and picked out of the deck at will.

If I see someone performing magic such as something like throwing a ball of fire from their hands across the room and it burning a wall and there hands have nothing in them, then I would believe them. That is kinda wierd I put that as a converse conjecture! It could be flipped and it could be biconditional too!

And you know this how? Have you ever lived in the desert? I live in one. I've heard stories of the Navajo doing rain dances, and making it rain.

Think it really rains in the desert? I've lived here in Phoenix almost a year, and it's rained twice. So they saw the clouds comming eh? Yeaaaahhh.... Right.



Conjuring and Magic are two differences.