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So I just came back from eating and watching this infomentary about money. After it was done, I saw this commercial that really put me into thinking.

It began stating that some scientists have "lost" the Universe and that the new theories about it speculated everybody which it was shown too. They said that it's true, the Universe is just a big speculation.

I really don't know much, but I hope that you guys will watch it with me so that we can discuss this idea that has been swimming around our forums numerous times.

well, the universe is more of an unknown. we can't know, wont know and most of all, have the ability to find out.

now, i dont think the universe is as big as they think it is. i belive we are in more of a ball. like the stars we see are reflections of the side of the ball. as in there are few real planets and stars. thats somnthing i always thought. it makes scence to me.

theres no doubt the universe exists.

maby i dont uderstand what your sayin here keg. that wouldn't be a first lol.

Whats on the outside of the ball?

another ball. one that reflects the reflection of the other ball. thus meaning there is a parrell deminsion.

Wouldn't it be awkward if there was in face an edge of the universe? Wouldn't even be more awkward if the edge of the universe was land?

I'd imagine that if there was an edge to the universe, the outside would be just pure void. Looking at it would kill you because your brain would not be able to handle it. Well, that or you simply cannot see it.

About 2 months I saw a Nova show where these people took X-Ray pictures of space and saw other galaxies and they realized that they glowed a lot of red on the outside of them. Now you are asking what does this mean? They say that this means that the Universe (as we know) is growing, red means that those galaxies we see are moving away, if they were to be glowing green that would mean they were coming closer!

7-7, thats called red shift. it's when the light moves to the postive end of the light spectrum. blue shift is the oppisite.


yeah that what i think it is basicly. like what if, the universe was an inverse of earth? would that be cool or what lol.

so maby the geocentric ideas wenrt as farfeched as we might thing eh?

I think there is no other universe and no other species. The water found on mars was probaly astronaut waste.

A red glow means that they're seeing nebulas.

It was prooven some time ago, that the Universe is expanding. There is an End OF The World scenario, in which the expansion of the univers will cause it.

The red glow wasnt coming from a nebula it was coming from other galaxies!

I believe the Universe will implode like a Super Nova does; Thus, creating the Big Bang again. The restart of the Universe.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a differant type of thinking then the ones that have been previous posted

One thing I agree on, the universe is growing, but not the way you've explained it


stars do exist, their not little reflections from the end of some giant ball thats floating around other floating objects like boxes and stuff, their actual burning objects in space (don't say there's a end to them, thats just like saying the world is flat)
they where created, and formed by something else

I'm not going to get into the whole "what created them" conversation, theres no proof for any of it, so theres no way for you to prove your way or for me to prove mine, all we can prove is they where created

now, as for how they're growing, I think their is a bunch of objects formed differant ways and differant sizes, they're all moving in different directions, and can get stopped by other objects and made to orbit them, but that doesn't mean they're stopped completely, these bigger objects are always orbiting something bigger, much further away

I think all the objects are spread out, and are growing millions and millions of miles apart, eventually they will grow enough to where they're closer and closer together, but that won't be anytime soon


to sum it all up, the universe doesn't have a end because the end would just be empty untill it's filled up, and there's no way of saying there's nothing behind that

Why can't you say there's nothing? Humanity is so obsessed with the idea of something being there rather than nothing. Isn't it about time nothing really came to be?

did you think that through? nebula is the center of a galxey

Untill proven wrong, always think that there's something else (which really can't be proven wrong )

IT HAS become firmly established over the past few years, at least in the minds of cosmologists, that most of the matter in the Universe is invisible. But while theorists delight in playing with mathematical models that include such exotica as cold dark matter, hot dark matter, weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPs) and mixed dark matter, observers have slowly been uncovering an unpalatable truth: there seems to be much less invisible matter in the Universe than cosmologists like to think.

In December 1993, this "challenge to cosmological orthodoxy" was highlighted in Nature (vol 366, p 429) by Simon White of the University of Cambridge, Julio Navarro and Carlos Frenk of Durham University and August Evrard of the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. Since then the challenge has intensified.

The need for large amounts of invisible matter in the Universe comes mainly from ideas about events in the first split second ...

'Cause you know Mars, always being visited by the astronauts.




Big Crunch?

Yes I found the science channel so now I can watch this. I saw the commercial but it doesn't really make sence. I mean if most of it is missing then what we have left is are universe right. Well either way this whole thing doesn't make any sence.

What the hell are you smoking? Nebula are not the center of a Galaxy. Nebula are just space dust and particles that create shapes and colors. They are usually the beginning of a Galaxy, also.



The difference between Nebula and Galaxies are: Stars.