Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-07-13 at 18:23:38
Over the years I've been seeing less and less really good games, the games that just make you say "WOW." What do you think has happened to the gaming industry? Have the Compony's all run out of ideas? Are they holding back for the new systems like PS3 and WII? Will the industry crash?
To be serious I think the hight of gaming industry is over and we're beginning to see the downhill rolling right at us. I've seen less and less WOW games since I started gaming. To be honest the last game that made me WOW was Star Wars KoToR. Maybe I'm just a really bad gamer or maybe I expect too much in a game? I don't think this is the case but I've been wrong on many ocasions. I'm almost afraid that the gaming Industry will crash with all the crappy games coming out. Maybe I'm just mad because I havn't seen any really new FF's come out lol? Who knows.
Anyway post your thought's and comments.
To be serious I think the hight of gaming industry is over and we're beginning to see the downhill rolling right at us. I've seen less and less WOW games since I started gaming. To be honest the last game that made me WOW was Star Wars KoToR. Maybe I'm just a really bad gamer or maybe I expect too much in a game? I don't think this is the case but I've been wrong on many ocasions. I'm almost afraid that the gaming Industry will crash with all the crappy games coming out. Maybe I'm just mad because I havn't seen any really new FF's come out lol? Who knows.
Anyway post your thought's and comments.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by T-MaStAA on 2006-07-13 at 18:29:08
Im still in love with gaming. I have noticed that im not impressed as much as I was when I was say... 9 years old playing golden eye in my friends basement. Maybe ive matured a little bit. Im liking my latest system.. Can you guess what it is? 
Im sure when the wii comes out ill be all GTFO OMFG TAHTS TEH ROX0Rz!!
Im sure when the wii comes out ill be all GTFO OMFG TAHTS TEH ROX0Rz!!Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-07-13 at 18:42:35
Hmmmm, some Wow! games over the past few years, for me, have been Half-Life 2, F.E.A.R., and more recently Oblivion.
Every year a few blockbusters come out. In fact, I think the amount of really great games is increasing.
Every year a few blockbusters come out. In fact, I think the amount of really great games is increasing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-07-13 at 19:21:43
QUOTE(Cloud @ Jul 13 2006, 06:23 PM)
Over the years I've been seeing less and less really good games, the games that just make you say "WOW." What do you think has happened to the gaming industry? Have the Compony's all run out of ideas? Are they holding back for the new systems like PS3 and WII? Will the industry crash?
To be serious I think the hight of gaming industry is over and we're beginning to see the downhill rolling right at us. I've seen less and less WOW games since I started gaming. To be honest the last game that made me WOW was Star Wars KoToR. Maybe I'm just a really bad gamer or maybe I expect too much in a game? I don't think this is the case but I've been wrong on many ocasions. I'm almost afraid that the gaming Industry will crash with all the crappy games coming out.
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To be serious I think the hight of gaming industry is over and we're beginning to see the downhill rolling right at us. I've seen less and less WOW games since I started gaming. To be honest the last game that made me WOW was Star Wars KoToR. Maybe I'm just a really bad gamer or maybe I expect too much in a game? I don't think this is the case but I've been wrong on many ocasions. I'm almost afraid that the gaming Industry will crash with all the crappy games coming out.
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Occasionally I think the same thing, but then I remind myself: Spore.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-07-13 at 20:23:45
Spore is to Gamers like Jesus is to Christians.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-07-14 at 01:17:21
I agree. Note that we're all still playing StarCraft, and I still play the NES Zelda. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by pekkel_the_duck on 2006-07-14 at 01:46:00
I doubt if I will have enough RAM left to run a game like Spore. Hopefully, I'll have a new computer by the time it comes it. Till then, BroodWar ogogo~
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RedNara on 2006-07-14 at 01:58:39
Personally I believe lots of blockbuster games are coming out, just the fact that our expectations are so high. Thoes people who make the game is going to put in the same effort, some more some less; however, around the same as last gen or next-gen w/e they call it... And less idea might be it also, but its more like we go into our fantasy mode, which makes us daydream about the game, and when the game hit the shelves were like bleh "that sucks!" and say stuff like "sc 1337 pwn pwn omg omg!"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Agamemnon(MM) on 2006-07-14 at 17:38:50
The way I see it is this: Casual gamers buy games, and they say "Ooh, look, it has pretty graphics. How neat." So companies make games with pretty graphics. If the gameplay goes down the toilet, that's too bad. I will certainly admit that there have been some good games recently, but overall they seem to be too easy and/or too short. How old is Starcraft? 8 years? And we still love it. How old is Super Smash Bros. Melee? 4? We love that too (At least, most of the people I know do.) But generally, people who care about gameplay seem to like the older games more. At least, the people I know, including myself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by GuyDude on 2006-07-14 at 22:22:56
History repeats itself.....way back when,I think it was around the 1980's when the gaming industry crashed for 10 years.Im not quite sure about the year but i do know a couple decades ago the gaming industry crashed.Maybe a similiar crash is going to happen to us.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-07-15 at 00:36:41
This is one of the main reasons I like Starcraft, Because I get to make games, Using triggers the whole style and type of game changes completely. Like with one game you get thousands of games, and who knows what type of game you like more than you do? You can make your own game! Thats so sick, I like making maps and stuff for Starcraft so I like the game! I dont think the gaming industry will crash, SONY, Nintendo and Gates wont let that happen, thelyy make something up! lol
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vibrator on 2006-07-15 at 00:52:39
QUOTE(Demaris @ Jul 13 2006, 08:23 PM)
Spore is to Gamers like Jesus is to Christians.
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I hear that
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-07-15 at 03:45:09
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Jul 14 2006, 12:16 AM)
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If by wow you mean innovative or something then of course there hasnät been games like that. Itäs just like how theyäre no good movie plots anzmore that arenät based on books or something. You can only be innovative for so long before zou start repeating everything, the goal now seems to be to expand the gaming borders hardware wise, like how models can get on screen or how good looking something is. I rarely get 'wowed' at a game though, even my first one (Goldneye) I thought it was a good game, but I wansnät wetting my pants. I personally though Metal Gear Solid 3 was an excellcent game the original version came out in 2004 which isnät THAT long ago. FEAR's AI system is pretty cool, and other games like COD2 have done some cool things in gaming to make it seem like your more in that situation then they could show before.
If you want something new then you should be looking at the Wii. And Spore looks awesome, iäm upgrading my computer just to get it.
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History repeats itself.....way back when,I think it was around the 1980's when the gaming industry crashed for 10 years.Im not quite sure about the year but i do know a couple decades ago the gaming industry crashed.Maybe a similiar crash is going to happen to us.
1983, and that was before the NES or any good sega or atari games came out (That I can recall). Causes according to wikipedia
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* Very aggressive marketing of inexpensive home computers, especially the Commodore 64, with the theme “Why buy your child a video game and distract them from school when you can buy them a home computer that will prepare them for college?” Marketing research for both sides tracked the change as millions of consumers shifted their intention to buy choices from game consoles to low-end computers that retailed for similar prices.
* A flood of poor titles from hastily financed startups, combined with weak high-profile Atari 2600 games based on the hit movie E.T. and the red-hot arcade game Pac-Man.
* The news media sensationalized both the boom days of 1980 and the problems of 1982–83. In particular, the story of Atari burying thousands of E.T. cartridges in a New Mexico landfill accelerated the change from The Video Game Boom Is Boundless! headlines to The Video Game Boom Is Over! proclamations.
* The conclusion by key toy retail chains in 1983 that video games were a passing fad (see Cabbage Patch Kids and Beanie Babies for examples) and that valuable shelf space should be allocated to new items.
* A flood of poor titles from hastily financed startups, combined with weak high-profile Atari 2600 games based on the hit movie E.T. and the red-hot arcade game Pac-Man.
* The news media sensationalized both the boom days of 1980 and the problems of 1982–83. In particular, the story of Atari burying thousands of E.T. cartridges in a New Mexico landfill accelerated the change from The Video Game Boom Is Boundless! headlines to The Video Game Boom Is Over! proclamations.
* The conclusion by key toy retail chains in 1983 that video games were a passing fad (see Cabbage Patch Kids and Beanie Babies for examples) and that valuable shelf space should be allocated to new items.
Back then there were a handful of video game developers and even fewer who werenät just getting paid by hollywood to make games. Now we have hundreds of developers, and the gaming industry is at itäs peak, and itäs probablz still rising. Iäve been two three houses on mz trip to germany and all of them have a video game console of some sort (Mostly Xbox360) I see more ads for video games lately and plenty of other things. Video games are becoming more popular and widely accepted. If it were to crash right now, nothing would be able to save it, which would suck.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-07-15 at 04:49:18
We are less amazed by new games today mainly because it's generally the same companies that made games when we were kids that are making games today. Typically, a company will stay to a certain style and recycle ideas. After a while, this gets old. Also, we are getting to the point where every idea is being implemented in a game. This makes it difficult for the game creators to think of new ideas for a game. Therefore, they turn to graphics.
The problem with this now is that not one, not two, but many companies decide to focus on graphics. A perfect example is Square Enix and their Final Fantasy series. After a while, people are less amazed by the graphics, and it doesn't help to have already seen a movie with incredible graphics, probably the best a console could possibly get (Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within). After seeing that movie, graphics on normal games are less impressive.
When the gamers are done with graphics, they turn to gameplay, but surprise, the companies are still focusing on graphics and will continue to focus on graphics while recycling the same ideas.
To make it worse, they don't just recycle ideas, they make those ideas more complex by adding on difficult conditions. For those reasons, people will play older games since the gamers no longer care about graphics, search for original gameplay, and look for simplicity.
The problem with this now is that not one, not two, but many companies decide to focus on graphics. A perfect example is Square Enix and their Final Fantasy series. After a while, people are less amazed by the graphics, and it doesn't help to have already seen a movie with incredible graphics, probably the best a console could possibly get (Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within). After seeing that movie, graphics on normal games are less impressive.
When the gamers are done with graphics, they turn to gameplay, but surprise, the companies are still focusing on graphics and will continue to focus on graphics while recycling the same ideas.
To make it worse, they don't just recycle ideas, they make those ideas more complex by adding on difficult conditions. For those reasons, people will play older games since the gamers no longer care about graphics, search for original gameplay, and look for simplicity.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by GuyDude on 2006-07-15 at 07:18:28
Exactly i agree with holysin i didnt mean the gaming industry is going to be beat by a computer.Heck,Some games are on the computer.What i meant is games are getting repetitive.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-07-15 at 12:12:46
Personally, I think the Gaming Industry is flourishing to a new level. No longer will companies emphatize their resources on games that punch you in the face with "awesomeness", they want to create games that you will keep playing for months, even years on the end.
Blizzard is one such company that has achieved such a feat. I've played every single game they created since WCII, and for hours, days, weeks and months at a time, even years; without touching any other game.
Also, new genres have come to dominate the industry. In the old days, late 1980's through about 2000, predominant games were single player RPG's that tried to break the limits of graphics and what you could do inside a game, smacked in with a great storyline.
Nowadays, developers want you to stay playing that same game, they're emphatizing on multiplayer games, simply because that makes the possibilities endless. A game's Computer AI is a pre-programmed gamer that will always have a similar pattern depending on what properties it has set, a human player, on the other hand, is impossible to predict and thus, keeping you on your toes and leaning towards the screen. This is why FPS and MMORPG's are starting to be the predominant game.
RTS games aren't a bad idea for this concept, the problem is that to create a good RTS game, you need to let the gamers create their own games and set their own goals, much like Blizzard has done with SC and WC. If you always play the same scenarios you will grow bored, and eventually, start winning almost everytime because you'll get to know all the strategies. Variety is what keeps us playing SC.
MMORPG's have this sense of achievement and you setting goals for yourself which keeps you playing. You want to reach maximun level, complete this set of quests, etc... And which such a large amount of things to do, you never really feel you beat the game.
FPS are very similar, while you almost always have the same objectives, you want to work hard to be better than the guy that just killed you, or your teamate which got half the team's kills. You also have to deal with very different enemies and strategies each time, even if you're playing the same map.
In essense, the industry isn't crashing, it's just evolving.
Blizzard is one such company that has achieved such a feat. I've played every single game they created since WCII, and for hours, days, weeks and months at a time, even years; without touching any other game.
Also, new genres have come to dominate the industry. In the old days, late 1980's through about 2000, predominant games were single player RPG's that tried to break the limits of graphics and what you could do inside a game, smacked in with a great storyline.
Nowadays, developers want you to stay playing that same game, they're emphatizing on multiplayer games, simply because that makes the possibilities endless. A game's Computer AI is a pre-programmed gamer that will always have a similar pattern depending on what properties it has set, a human player, on the other hand, is impossible to predict and thus, keeping you on your toes and leaning towards the screen. This is why FPS and MMORPG's are starting to be the predominant game.
RTS games aren't a bad idea for this concept, the problem is that to create a good RTS game, you need to let the gamers create their own games and set their own goals, much like Blizzard has done with SC and WC. If you always play the same scenarios you will grow bored, and eventually, start winning almost everytime because you'll get to know all the strategies. Variety is what keeps us playing SC.
MMORPG's have this sense of achievement and you setting goals for yourself which keeps you playing. You want to reach maximun level, complete this set of quests, etc... And which such a large amount of things to do, you never really feel you beat the game.
FPS are very similar, while you almost always have the same objectives, you want to work hard to be better than the guy that just killed you, or your teamate which got half the team's kills. You also have to deal with very different enemies and strategies each time, even if you're playing the same map.
In essense, the industry isn't crashing, it's just evolving.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheOddAngel on 2006-07-15 at 22:51:28
The graphics right now for games are becoming so advanced that the current technology can't handel them and therefore it doesn't look like the games are progressing because so many people think graphics = new game.
Gameplay stays the same because most people have played the games in the past and want to try the sequals. If the company trys something new in the sequal then it might be bad and no one will want that series again. They stay with what they know and raise the graphics and add some little tweaks that really dont change gameplay much
Example: SplinerCell serries:
First one was very basic... sneak around... Grab them
Second one was a little more advanced... More moves... not very Gameplay Changing...
Third one was very close... They added more moves and made a cool walk when u moved close to a bad guy...
Gameplay stays the same because most people have played the games in the past and want to try the sequals. If the company trys something new in the sequal then it might be bad and no one will want that series again. They stay with what they know and raise the graphics and add some little tweaks that really dont change gameplay much
Example: SplinerCell serries:
First one was very basic... sneak around... Grab them
Second one was a little more advanced... More moves... not very Gameplay Changing...
Third one was very close... They added more moves and made a cool walk when u moved close to a bad guy...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Eskimo Bob on 2006-07-16 at 02:53:00
Gaming is fine right now, But someday ideas will stop, Someday gaming will end, But not for a LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG Time, Like i said, Gaming is doing fine.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-07-16 at 05:04:47
QUOTE(TheOddAngel @ Jul 15 2006, 09:51 PM)
Example: SplinerCell serries:
First one was very basic... sneak around... Grab them
Second one was a little more advanced... More moves... not very Gameplay Changing...
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First one was very basic... sneak around... Grab them
Second one was a little more advanced... More moves... not very Gameplay Changing...
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Your examplw fits every series ever made. Mario 1 verus Mario 3, newer graphics, some new items, but it was the same old stuff. Why would anyone change a formula that works, instead they're giving you more of what you like. Would it be better if the next GTA was a dating simulator?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Caboose on 2006-07-17 at 14:39:45
The only games I care about are the ones that are in big tournaments or have a future in tourneys. One player games are useless games in my eyes.
I haven't seen any games falling into this catergory this year but not many games can rival CS/DOD's massive gamerbase and fun gameplay.
I haven't seen any games falling into this catergory this year but not many games can rival CS/DOD's massive gamerbase and fun gameplay.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Revelade on 2006-07-17 at 15:55:04
The two elements of a game are the single and multiplayer.
Singleplayer games will always have sucky gameplay. You're always forced to win to proceed. However, I play these for their story.
Multiplayer games are different. You don't need a story, because people play it for the gameplay. Why? Because you aren't forced to win as someone has to lose. What I look here is for strategy and balance.
You could go a hundred years at a time and these will stay the same.
My point is you don't need to go next-gen for a good story, strategy and balance. Look at Capcom games. Not exactly mind-blowing graphics are they? Yet people play them all the time at the arcades.
So really, take your graphics, award winning audio or whatever down the drain. Give me a good stories like Killer 7 or XIII. Or on the multiplayer side, give me internet gaming with games about strategy (not only RTS games, mind you) that have balance.
What I'm looking for in next gen, is not the graphics, but for online play. That way I don't have to kidnap my friends to my house to play some games. Also, it would be nice to have in games that match your skill level to others just like Halo 2 or Warcraft 3. That's brilliant.
Singleplayer games will always have sucky gameplay. You're always forced to win to proceed. However, I play these for their story.
Multiplayer games are different. You don't need a story, because people play it for the gameplay. Why? Because you aren't forced to win as someone has to lose. What I look here is for strategy and balance.
You could go a hundred years at a time and these will stay the same.
My point is you don't need to go next-gen for a good story, strategy and balance. Look at Capcom games. Not exactly mind-blowing graphics are they? Yet people play them all the time at the arcades.
So really, take your graphics, award winning audio or whatever down the drain. Give me a good stories like Killer 7 or XIII. Or on the multiplayer side, give me internet gaming with games about strategy (not only RTS games, mind you) that have balance.
What I'm looking for in next gen, is not the graphics, but for online play. That way I don't have to kidnap my friends to my house to play some games. Also, it would be nice to have in games that match your skill level to others just like Halo 2 or Warcraft 3. That's brilliant.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-07-18 at 11:52:07
QUOTE(Cloud @ Jul 13 2006, 04:23 PM)
Over the years I've been seeing less and less really good games, the games that just make you say "WOW." What do you think has happened to the gaming industry? Have the Company's all run out of ideas? Are they holding back for the new systems like PS3 and WII? Will the industry crash?
To be serious I think the hight of gaming industry is over and we're beginning to see the downhill rolling right at us. I've seen less and less WOW games since I started gaming. To be honest the last game that made me WOW was Star Wars KoToR. Maybe I'm just a really bad gamer or maybe I expect too much in a game? I don't think this is the case but I've been wrong on many ocasions. I'm almost afraid that the gaming Industry will crash with all the crappy games coming out. Maybe I'm just mad because I havn't seen any really new FF's come out lol? Who knows.
Anyway post your thought's and comments.
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To be serious I think the hight of gaming industry is over and we're beginning to see the downhill rolling right at us. I've seen less and less WOW games since I started gaming. To be honest the last game that made me WOW was Star Wars KoToR. Maybe I'm just a really bad gamer or maybe I expect too much in a game? I don't think this is the case but I've been wrong on many ocasions. I'm almost afraid that the gaming Industry will crash with all the crappy games coming out. Maybe I'm just mad because I havn't seen any really new FF's come out lol? Who knows.
Anyway post your thought's and comments.
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the game industry isn't stupid. If their not making their max profits than nothing would be selling and being created. I believe better graphic games and Better computers will take over and games such as starcraft will be inferior and just somthing noone will play. I tihnk the gaming industry is still going strong because their are so many new advancments and ideas and they can do almost all of them now, the games will only get more fun.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2006-07-18 at 16:03:39
QUOTE(Cloud @ Jul 13 2006, 03:23 PM)
Over the years I've been seeing less and less really good games, the games that just make you say "WOW." What do you think has happened to the gaming industry? Have the Compony's all run out of ideas? Are they holding back for the new systems like PS3 and WII? Will the industry crash?
To be serious I think the hight of gaming industry is over and we're beginning to see the downhill rolling right at us. I've seen less and less WOW games since I started gaming. To be honest the last game that made me WOW was Star Wars KoToR. Maybe I'm just a really bad gamer or maybe I expect too much in a game? I don't think this is the case but I've been wrong on many ocasions. I'm almost afraid that the gaming Industry will crash with all the crappy games coming out. Maybe I'm just mad because I havn't seen any really new FF's come out lol? Who knows.
Anyway post your thought's and comments.
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To be serious I think the hight of gaming industry is over and we're beginning to see the downhill rolling right at us. I've seen less and less WOW games since I started gaming. To be honest the last game that made me WOW was Star Wars KoToR. Maybe I'm just a really bad gamer or maybe I expect too much in a game? I don't think this is the case but I've been wrong on many ocasions. I'm almost afraid that the gaming Industry will crash with all the crappy games coming out. Maybe I'm just mad because I havn't seen any really new FF's come out lol? Who knows.
Anyway post your thought's and comments.
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The games haven't gotten any worse. Its just that once you play games that are amazing, you expect the next few amount to be just as good if not better. Over time, the expectation reaches a limit til you are just finished with gaming.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by kholdstare on 2006-07-19 at 10:01:42
Go to www.flashplayer.com and watch decline of video gaming 1,2,and 3
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cole on 2006-07-19 at 10:10:10
What happened to game?
Well I think it matters where you look. Cuz i'm looking at Portal and Team Fortress 2 and HL2:Ep2....all coming in the same package....and i'd be willing to shell our $50 for a game like Portal or TF2 when it will probably be $25 for all of them.
God damn I love Valve.
Then ya got Alan Wake coming which should be very intresting, Spore coming...
Spore + TF2 + Portal + Portal Mods(I cannot wait) + HL2:Ep2 + Alan Wake = Gaming is back for me.
Well I think it matters where you look. Cuz i'm looking at Portal and Team Fortress 2 and HL2:Ep2....all coming in the same package....and i'd be willing to shell our $50 for a game like Portal or TF2 when it will probably be $25 for all of them.
God damn I love Valve.
Then ya got Alan Wake coming which should be very intresting, Spore coming...
Spore + TF2 + Portal + Portal Mods(I cannot wait) + HL2:Ep2 + Alan Wake = Gaming is back for me.