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Black Holes - this was a deleted topic from the hacker

What I said,

Posting in other topics got me thinking about Space and Black Holes, I don't know too much about them, neither do scientists, but they say that if black holes do exist that there is a good chance that there are more than three dimensions. The three dimensions we see are like up-down, left-right, and front-back. If black holes exist there could be hidden dimensions that we dont know about in space. They are making a and I quote "Man-Made Black Holes" inside a type of chamber.

What they gave for steps for their experiment-
Step 1- Supermagnets in the 17-mile-long LHC accelerate two beams of protons to near light speed and point them on a collision coarse.
Step 2- Small extra dimensions--if they exist--appear when the protons get close together. In effect, they increase the force of gravity.
Step 3- Eventully the force of gravity between the protons becomes so strong that it forces quarks inside the colliding protons to coalesce.
Step 4- This merger collapses space-time and forms a minuscule black hole tens of thousands of times as small as a nucleus of an atom.
Step 5- The black hole nearly instantaneously disintergrates into a dozen or more different kinds of particles as a result of Hawking radiation.
Step 6- A 10-story-tall detector measures those particles as they blast from its center. Those from a black hole would create unique pattern.

Also they are going to do this experiment in late 2007.
Question and Answer I saw in the book I got all this info from.
Why Extra Dimensions?
They could reconcile the major theories of the 20th century: quantum mechanics (the physics of the very small) and general relitivity (the physics of spacetime). Without extra dimensions, quantum mechanics implies that gravity should be much stronger than it is.

If someone were to go through a black hole, they would be stuck at the point of there death forever. People on the outside of the black hole would be able to still see the person inside (frozen) even after the death of the person inside. Because black holes freeze space time. (4th dimension) but there has to be more than just 4 for black holes to still exist.

Space time is frozen inside a black hole, about being able to see someone in there dead, even know they are long gone and not even there. Space time freezes so you see it even though its not there.

Quoting what wikipedia says!


We arent 100% certain that black holes exist in space. They are so far away, we dont see the matter that goes in, eventually the black hole collapses in on itself. Everything disappears, this would be easier to explain with the dimensions thing.

Scientists looking for black holes are looking for a circular movement that is very tight around some type of object. Like a star (sun) on a very small orbit, slowly losing mass, but much faster than a weak dieing star would lose its mass.

Black hole is a sun with so strong gravity so no light can go out of it and be seen for us.

Black holes exist, there is no discussion about it.

your wrong!

A black hole occurs when a star has gained so much mass, it has imploded.

Sort of. When a really big star--I think the minimum is something like ten solar masses--runs out of fuel for fusion, gravity pulls it in on itself because nothing is pushing it out any more.

Of topic, I do wonder why this is in Serious Discussion.

Because there was a discussion on this before. It was here, then the hacker deleted it and I wanted to discuss on it again, because there was only like 30 posts on it. I posted it like a couple hours before the hacker was here so people were actually discussing. I wasnt done!

A star at least 3 solar masses can become a blackhole.The processbegins when the star goes into a supernovae,which outshines the Galaxy itself.Short time after the supernova,the gravity becomes so strong the escape velocity becomes greater than light(thats why its called a Black Hole,no light escapes),it is known as a Black Hole.

Thanks for like the seventh time saying it, If yo havent noticed but the title of this thread is Black Holes, this is because we already know the name. But thanks anyway

Yea because some people in this worl have short-term memory loss I might as well remind them.

Black holes don't have to be suns, and they don't need a minimum solar mass, thats normally just for natural occurances.
We have attempted miniscule black holes out of tiny particles before. (I believe I made a topic about there first attempts a while back.) The black holes were unstable simply because they were very tiny, and didn't have eneough gravitational pull to repel the other forces.
It was a research lab near Europe. (not in )

The ten story tall thing's new though... Sounds interesting.

Ya they are going to try and make a black hole, sending to protons together at the speed of light. I got this information from the magazine, Popular Science, The January 2006 edition, I get it monthly.

You're wrong.

Why the hell would someone want to make a blackhole on Earth, doesn't that carry the risk of planetary armageddon?

They destroy themselves immediately, and I believe it was carried out already. The experiment 7-7 is talking about must be testing specific things about it. (I'll have to look through my popsci articles.)

The thing about black holes is they require a large amount of gravity, which small particles cannot provide.. Therefore, no armageddon problem.

how long do black holes last?

I'm sure glad I copied all this into notepad



There is no required mass for black holes. To make a black hole you simply have to crush your matter to a small enough size. It would be possible to make a black hole from a single electron, you would just have to crush it to a pretty small size. A black hole is simply an area where spacetime is infinitely curved.

Also, the lab that was mentioned is at CERN, in Geneva, Switzerland.

JUst if you people want to know....The sun would become a Black Hole if it was squeezed to about the size of Mt. Everest.The Earth owuld become a Black Hole if it was a sphere with a diameter of about this line ------.Also,miniture Black Holes are destroyed imediatly because Haewking Radiation works faster in smaller Black Holes.

I actually wiki'ed black holes a couple of weeks ago. Apparently, as an object draws closer to a black hole, time appears to slow down exponentially, so to any outside observer, they never reach the singularity itself. It's just how space is folded and stuff. I wonder what would happen if a black hole were to get too much energy and it exploded. I mean, it would explode with more force than any supernova, and we probably can't even understand the implications of such an action.

No, the sun is not a powerful enough star! The stars that are small like our sun would just die inot a white dwarf then black dwarf, only super giants that go through a supernova(e) turn into a black hole.

You misinterpet my post.I'm saying if we could somehow squeeze the sun into the size of Mt. EVerest gravity would take over and create a Black Hole.

No because this would not be strong enough, it would be very strong, but no black hole. The sun is way too small, even for a black hole of that size, it wouldnt be powerful enough.

Plus you have to debate where mount everest's size ends...
All in all your statement made no sense.
Depends on the size, they either disappear instantaneously, or last forever. (To the best of my knowledge.)

Well it could still be a non infinate number and suck up everything that we can possibly detect in the universe. It all depends on how small you are willing to look, (and what your looking at)

On the event horizon of a black hole, time stops, thus time past the event horizon is infinitely curved, infinite time would go by instantaniously, unfortuneatly, you can't really go fast enough to sit on the event horizon.

Man, CaptainWill sure did a good job of keeping this topic interesting. It just doesn't seem as "content-ish" without him.

ALSO: I'm not sure about the mount everest thing, but you could create a black hole out of any amount of matter, even only a single electron. You'd just need to crush it pretty small.

ALSO: off topic sorta, can you guys tell me if you can read this, it just seems like all the posts I've ever made have been invisible to some people.

I can read this, also I have made this topic and have more information in my first post about black holes then anyone else here. But you may not have read it.

That is only assuming that a black hole is a singularity, which is not nessisarily true. We have never seen the surface of a black hole, so we can't tell what exactly they look like. In theory, you could have a mutitude of things inside the event horizon.