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Ok this isnt a mod question topic this is MOD please help Topic.

After watching the latest rise of question from those who dont know what they are doing in the modding world. I decided to put together a MOD program package(zip). This will include all the programs and or files someone would need to mod starcraft. I have most of the programs its not like its hard to get but some I might of forgotten or not sure If i should include.

Here is what I need from you guys maby different versions of memgraft i only have 1.12b 1.13e if you have another version that is older it might be worth putting in, this will be temporary until firegraft is released that is.

I also need help writing the basics of what each program does and what programs work with that specific program I.E. Stargraft files can be updated by memgraft, and any other program one feels should be added to the list cause im sure i didnt include everything that should be.

When it comes to the help files ill take care of what ever is left unless i know nothing about that program, Ide like your guys help since I am not all knowing.

Programs:
Datedit (current)
Ice/xp
IceCC (hoping someone knows a tutorial to instal seen alot of people ask about that)
MPQDraft
Retro GRP
Stargraft
Winmpq
Memgraft 1.13e/1.12b
TblPad
Downgrader (havent redownloaded yet)

Might wanna add SC Gateway Chooser and a Text file.

the downgrader includes that actaully

This doesn't sound like that good of a package, since it lacks some of the tools used in advanced mods and a helpful text file telling people what certain programs edit/the skill level required for them/when to use them in the modmaking process.

I'd add GotEd, LoEdit, PalEdit, and SCAIEdit III. Memgraft 1.11b is the only version that can save/load, right?

TERRAINFIGHTER, he already said he was going to create a file to teach them the basics of the programs and what they do.

P.S. SpaceEdit.

hmmm welll... i As ojan's saying there was one package which include most tools
but some tools are becomes new so Anyhow package publisher or producer
might be realese update file or pplz have to update own tools

but if realsed new version which include lastest tools
that should good for all

but i think that's not enough, i mean we need total solution
which can connect files each other tools like plugin software and utilities

i made kind of Total SC Modding package a long time ago for korean modders
and i had realse anyways pplz are said that very useful and convenient
for setup and use

if ask about that SC mod Tools, that isn't just collected package
i had get together most tools and i made connecting main tool
which allow had launching each tools

it's Screenshot of my SC mod Tool package what i was made ago



it's modding wizzard but it's wholy not wizzard lol, just launch each tools


that was designed to run all tools by that tool it's kind of link collect tool
i had assign buttons and link run exe files and some command -parameters

and there is guider window which description useway
and Auto install all runtime files (eg. VBRntime,Java Runtime)

anyway i use that for my work and many of korean modders either
(but i have no plan to make english version becuzz i lost that tools source and
i think that is not enough to good tool that features are just launch tools and
orperate command -parameters)

that's not enough becuzz we need Actual total solution which allow trade and switch working files with each tools

DatEdit support export files to MPQ but that does in just own tool

if solution like that will comes out that would really useful and take love

BTW, i have idea about package's Class

i think package Class divided into many version which focus different modder groups

if package name is "SC MOD Studio" dived into like this below

SC MOD Studio Pro : it's include most tools and add Expert tools
such as Arsenal Zero, and GotEd, LoEdit, PalEdit, SCAIEdit III

SC MOD Studio Artist : it's focus for Artist
who want creat StarCraft graphics so it's include many graphic tools, utilities
and files and include just basic modding tools for SC grp creator

SC MOD Studio Light : it's include just Basic
modding tools which Favorite use tools such as Datedit, iceCC / ice_XP , WinMPQ,
RetroGRP,TBLEdit,StarGraft, Memgraft ,MPQDraft

Also all versions are installed and setup Auto by Script of installer Wizzard
and required runtime files either

i think that is rather good idea than just one class

I am still very sceptical. The SC Downgrader alone is almost 15 MB. The pack would be enormous, and the average Joe would only use a maximum of five tools.

As I said, what is the point of this if it doesn't include all tools? A huge download just to realize you still can't mod every aspect of SC isn't very fun. And putting every tool in would also be useless since there's only a handful who have ever tried to use all tools, much less getting actual results in all.

When you need a tool, just download it. That way, you don't have to wait for things you don't need, you save HDD space and it won't confuse you. Many seem to think it's too much to just work with WinMPQ, MPQDraft, DatEdit and RetroGRP, adding 20 more programs won't help.


Nirvana: If I understand you correctly, you're making up ideas for an "all in one" tool? Many seem to be much in favour for such a tool, but I am reluctant towards that as well. Either all tools would have to be recoded from scratch and included in the "all in one" program (a HUGE task), or it would be a program with "launch tool x"-buttons, and we have such a tool already - the OS you're using.

Coding a program that could mod all aspects would not only take years, it would require the best programmers the community could offer (a simple bug somewhere could theoretically bring the whole thing down), and everything in one would NOT make it easier to understand - it would be an abomination.

We've got a stickied topic that mentions all the tools you need for basic mods. If you're good enough to get past asking "OMG WERE IS ICE" and stuff like that, you'll be good enough to figure out where, for example, Lo?Edit is. It's almost a pity we can't make people read the stickies, as that would solve a great deal of our problems with people who have no idea what they're doing.

Lord_Agamemnon(MM) : yeah that's right i agree ur intention of making package
basicly most of us would recognition of that need
but as i said above i think that isn't enough to clear a great deal of problems with people

i think they need some kind of guider or setup wizzard
such as Auto-installer of requirement files, some setup wizzard at least
then that would be more helpfu and better for them

Ojan : ya~!, that's kind of very NOT make it easier
and in SC mod program community and resources are not opened widely
also there is no best programmers not much currently

So honestly i'm not look for become All in one solution
i know about programing as well how much need reference resouces

but i have an idea about some solution which have raise up progress of modding

if there is some utility which able to connect data files from each tools in during
processing like kind of file switching plugins or just grap files from each tool's
process by contain temp or just command -parameters

and insert graped files into MPQ then that could be give chance close to manage
most files in one

but i think that could not build that feature for all files on the spot
but that's not big deal

i believe , if think about method simply, there are many methods to build utility which like manage most files in one

i thought an method in former days about build one main hookup tool
and that control and launch each tools what builded one already

main feature of hookup tool is operate command and parameters of other tools Also that grap files into Temp or other directory whatever anything
then after save file by each tools and hookup tool operate insert saved file into MPQ

then that could be go to close of all in one even thogh that just launcher structualy

but i'm lacking for programing kind of file control
As u know me, i just Artist of Computer Graphics mainly
i just can build simple utility which used just other software and other files

so i just made like that "my SC mod Tool package" a long time ago
that doesn't grap files and doesn't insert saved file into MPQ

So if u good in programing kind of file control
that would not hard and would be not an abomination

Actualy that isn't need to build from scratch
just need hookup tool which operate insert files into MPQ from a specific directory
temp or whatever anything

if that would not support grap files in during each process of tools
then just build funtions exporting file which insert files of specific directory
into MPQ and just put in launch linker with buttons and menus
command parameter options either

then would be used for many modders atleast
Also that isn't need to include all modding tools
just give chance to set path of excute file and parameters
then modders just set each excute file of they having tools
in options menu of hookup tool

I like the idea of that program nirvanajung but as you said you lost the source. I would of done something like that a while ago but im not too good with programing, maby if i got my dusting VB back out i might do something simpler than that.

Ojan the patcher i have is like 30 mb and it comes in a self installer and zip that condences it to 4mb.

The main purpose for this tool is to briefly give a description of what tools go along with what and things along those lines, the programs themselves is just for those who are not sure what they need. When i first started modding i didnt know what was up to dat and what wasnt so putting all that you need in one I would of found helpful then and im sure there are others now.

And i was thinking of including expert files but Im not sure i dought someone who is downloading a package like this would be to that level? but you never know. Im still not to savy with the lo edit.

i lost the source but i think that i could write from scratch it's not builded by complicacy codes
but as i said i think that is not enough to go through good tool that features are just launch tools and orperate command -parameters

if i get plan re-write that i wanna make to Acutal hookup tool mechanicaly

Well Acutaly there is an alternative Method, it's kind of download online system
as we know All version the patch file are can be done very well without
i think necessary version file are only 1.07, 1.12b and 1.13e
and u guys think about lastest version patch that can be do patch from online directly from Blizzard FTP server
So that could able operate patch to lastest version

if would make pacther just include those three version files and give a button or menu which able Auto download and Auto patch lastest version by online
then pacther would be very smaller than any used patcher

i have solution to make like that even i'm not professional programer


I agree with u about that purpose
but someone who could programing kind of package management solution
that would get become Brainy Program which able exporting any files and insert any files from specific directory into MPQ apart from WinMPQ
like as MPQ plugin of ToTal Commander(it's kind of Advanced file Explorer and command Software)


as i said above, it can support by setting link file
isn't need to include all modding tools
just give chance to able set path of excute file and parameters
then modders just set each excute file what they having tools in options menu of Main management Tool

Anyway the main trouble is i don't know How to build
the feature user configurations and file control at all

and Also i'm lack in use Varriables which connect operating by conditions of function
with use any programing language

If someone take a plan to make like that tool with use my idea of sketch
i intend to proffer services the scheme drawing
include layout and grphical resouces

if someone who's busy currently, write source from my prepared scheme file
then that could be helful to cut short without taking times

or just referring that prepared scheme file

I would do that myself if i could nirvanajung that is a awsome idea

ok then i would do design Layout and arrange forms of component
i heared u could write program with VB
so then i'd wite that for VB i have VB6 included in MS-Visiual Studio

if i send Layout and Form design files then could u build complete with ur capacity ?
Honestly i don't care who is how much have ability of programing
but i hope the taking programer could be build without much difficulty

i can do it.

have u experienced in Programing Visual Basic as u possible as performed to build
without difficulty ?

my idea is not about only launching link tool
if u take it, u should build control system of MPQ file in there
for easy extract or add files from/to MPQ archives independent of having WinMPQ
by supporting popup or operate in the menu at least

Besides, u should build the feature which support Customize User Interface to setup and arrange the icons and buttons for link to each excute file

R u really have experienced in Programing Visual Basic as u possible as like that ?

i didn't though u could make it

I dont have enough expeirence, but i might get it if i look at someone elses program, but im still learning!!