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I've read recently how the government is "cracking down" on the illegal immigrants entering america, primarily from mexico. Recently the government officials are actually punishing those immigrants by jailing and fining them. We, as a country have plans to shield ourselves from this "threat" by building a wall between the two countries. We have done all of this in the name of preserving jobs or something like that; but if that is the only goal of these enterprises, then there is one major problem that I find with this whole scheme.

The illegal immigrants aren't stealing our jobs. Our jobs are being lost due to outsourcing and demands on efficiency. Outsourcing is an easy one to spot, you see it every time you buy a product with "made in china" written in those nice little golden tags on the back. It's the very argument against Walmarts exsistance, which is simply an entrepreneurial business trying to make the most profits. The other major factor in the loss of U.S. jobs is the idea of capitalism itself. If a company is bought out or changed by new management, which is bound to happen simply because one manager cannot last forever, then the company will rethink what it does, and what its supposed to do. If there are certain aspects in a company that are profitable, and then a number of programs that are not as profitable. Cutting the extra programs and focusing on the profit making ones is the option companies see to gain the most out of the business. One example of this is the recent appointment of Boeings CEO as the new CEO of Ford motor company. He plans on changing the company so that it produces less gass-guzzling cars, and focuses on a few of the ecological cars it makes. This cutting of styles of cars simply put means anyone working on those cars either need to make sure they can easily shift into making a different product, or face the fact that they are out of a job.
Immigrants, in my opinion represent a form of outsourcing, but it is a better form then that of oversea company extensions. Because the workers are paid in america, they have a greater tendency to spend in America. When we pay people overseas, the only money they give us back is what products we have over there.
We just find people who are in our country easier to control.

Do illegal immigrants pay taxes?
I suppose it's a mute question because we give arab people 7 years or so tax free when they come to america... and that gets abused so much...
I like your arguement though, would you rather have the company outsource it's work to another country? First time I've heard that. However, when you have like 15 of them living in the same house and sending the money back to mexico, it's hardly "America gains!".

The problem with outsourcing is that they (foreign workers) settle for ridiculously low wages because they have to. In America, we demand wages that are proper for our society, and in China and abroad, they will work for a fraction of what we will. I don't think our problems lay in outsourcing jobs such as sneaker manufacturing. I think the problem with outsourcing is that high quality jobs such as programming and engineering go elsewhere, and the quality of life in America falls as a whole.

To keep money in America, we might have done something like spend hundreds of billions of dollars on Mexico to improve their infrastructure and opportunities. Let's say for a moment that we had spent all the money we spent on the Iraqi conflict on Mexico to improve it. They could then get jobs down there. They'd have electricity and plumbing. We'd then have this triad of powers in North America (Canada, U.S., Mexico) that could benefit each other in the same way that the European Union has benefitted Europe. We'd then have a more vast market to sell our goods to.

But what about China and India? We can't just pass laws banning outsourcing. However, we could pass legislation to provide tax benefits to those solely American companies. We could also raise prices on imports as part of our increased security (such as charging more so that we can more efficiently search cargo containers at ports). We certainly aren't going to stop outsourcing by complaining about it.

-As much as I dissagree with illegal immigrants method of coming here, I can't hate these people. They are after all people. Granted that they are an extremely impoverished people, with, for the most part, rather unrefined social skills, they are here. There are so many of them in our country, that it's nearly impossible to weed all of them out.
But also think about this:
-If we did not have these illigal immigrants here, do you have any idea how much more you/your family would be paying for produce, or food of any sort really? People like to argue that they are stealing jobs from Americans. But would you really like to be the one picking grapes, lettuce, tomatos, cabbage, carrots, oranges, apples, etc.? The list goes on and on. If these people did not have the drive to support their families like they try to, and didn't work for $2-3/hr you would be paying $2/orange as opposed to $.70, because Americans who would be picking your food would be entitled to at least min. wage ($6.15/hr) which directly affects how much all that produce would cost in your local Shoprite, A&P, or Weis.
-Now I'm not saying that I support these Mexican women who are 9 months pregnant, in labor--about to pop, and roll over the border to have this child be a legal US citizen; but you have to realize, what other country has tens of thousands of people/year doing whatever they can to get there, or have a child there. Our country is the best in the world and these people are just trying to get a small, small piece of it. Can you really hate them for that?

I'm against illegal immigrants. I wouldn't be 'farming' because there were no illegal immigrants, so I have no motivation for being grateful to them. They don't pay taxes, force government/companies to build more roads, shelter and such for them, for which the legal immigrants pay.

If they werent the ones doing all this manual labor though, Americans would be doing it, and theyd be doing it at $6.15/hr man. Our economy would get thrown so far off kilter. If you were paying people $6.15/hr to pick produce and such that means that produce goes up in cost, so that would result in less people buying it, making trucking/shipping go up as well, because the job opportunities would go down for those actually doing the shipping of goods. And if shipping goes up, so does everything else on the shelves, not just food. It would be more detramental then you think, if we didn't have illigals here. When you try and weigh the costs, its cheaper for them to actually be living here not paying taxes, then it would be for them to not be here at all, and the prices of all goods in the country spiking at around 3-5x the current cost. Your ignorance astounds me; think about what ur saying before you respond, chief.

We wouldn't be doing it for $6.15/h, because no American would work for that low. It'd be a regular paying job. The fact that the immigrants would work for that little makes it currently a low paying job. If there were no illegal immigrants, there would be less mouths to feed, so the price of food won't go up. Same amount of food + less people = more surplus to send and sell to other countries.



In conclusion.. Illegal Immigrants force the government to spend some of our tax money on them, increase the population of the U.S, and if they weren't here we would have extra food to send to other countries to make money off and many jobs would pay higher because Americans won't work for a terrible pay.

Good sides of illegal immigrants? None that I see.

You're out of your mind. I find it hard to believe that I am the only one who would care to challenge that absurd remark.
According to the Census Bureau, there is currently between 9 and 11 million illigal immigrants from Mexico residing in this country, they are only here to work, and it's not like they are the compleatly ignorant steriotype, "lazy mexicans". Because they're not. they all work to a degree that I have never seen in my life. They compete with eachother and they know that if they dont work hard enough at their current job, they'll be replaced in an instant by another mexican who will work to that employer's expectations. I work with 2 mexican women and 1 mexican guy in the back of a family pizza joint, and ive never seen harder working people in my life. they make $7/hr by the grace of the owner Loui. Do u know what they do in their spare time? they sleep. thats their life. work and sleep. they dont do anything wrong at all. they eat at the resturant and they work 15 hr shifts and then go home. the is the average situation of mexicans in this country. I find it perpostrous that you would say we spend our tax money on them and they eat all our food. that is the most un-educated response i have seen regarding this subject. what part of their lives does our tax money go to? they cant actually use our hospitals because they need a social security card, the possiblity for them to get drivers licenses got shot down, so they cant get into accidents and make the average vehicle insurance rate go up or anything like this. If they make purchases, its not like we as a country dont reap that money. I still am yet to see a valid, well explained point come from you. where as i am constantly able to support my argument. And again-- let me reiterate: I do not believe that what they did initially to get here was right. But if we had the ability (and we dont) to get them all out of our country, there would be a detrimental negative effect on our nation's ecconomy.

Did you see me state that mexicans are lazy and that they are worthless? No. Reread my post and respond appropriately.


So they work 15 hours a day (wrong, not an accurate average). So what? Their jobs are usually worthless, if we're talking about the same type of person. What do I gain from some people working in a Pizza joint? What does America gain? Businesses gain cheaper workers, and workers that want more, Americans, get turned down because they refuse to work for little money. I'm not saying they don't work hard. I'm saying they're not beneficial to the country.



PLEASE think your next point through. I hate endless arguments.

If you are really pissed off about how all the illegal immigrants are pouring into our country, just look up "Amazing Racist" on youtube and see what that "amazing racist" does with the illegal mexicans. Perhaps it will give you guys some ideas

Ideas of what? What a crazy person will do to people from other countries? Or is that how everyone who meets someone chinese acts?

Watch the Video and you'll see.

I did, and I'm not sure exactly what he did to them.. All I understood was that he drove them somewhere and they scattered, but after that..

He dropped the illegal immigrants off right at the Immigration Office.

If illegal immigrants were sent off, New York City would completely be destroyed. Most of the illegal immigrants work in many places that we New Yorkers go to. And if illegal immigrants were kicked out, America would be hypocritical

I saw that.. why did they scatter? Does the immigration office have a right to forcefully force someone to become legal?

I read recently in the new york times about how many growers in southern california were unable to find enough workers to pick their fruit for low wages. And yes, they work for something like $4/hour

Uh no... Immigration officers snatch illegal immigrants right on the spot and deport them back to mexico. That's why those guys were running; they don't want to be caught!

Lol, can they do dat!?

the government doesnt like the illegal immagration cause its a risk to national secruity...cause lets say a terrorist jumps the border...i think we should let whoever is illeagel stay and just build a giant wall so no more can come...if the illeagal immagrant is already their he/she should be able to stay

Why? They're here illegally, which means the government doesn't think that they deserve to stay in the U.S.

It wasnt much of a big deal before the war on terror

when did the goverment say that....and they so deserve to be here...you goverment loving *****
Rule: never 100% trust the government they might backstab you...

But the government maintains the society and community and regulates the rules.

Well, 'illegal' means 'not legal', and 'legal' means permitted by government law, so 'not legal' must mean 'not permitted by government law', which clearly indicates the the government doesn't want them here, which means they don't think they deserve to be here. It's called logic, not loving the government.

Why would the government backstab me.. I'm underage and I've not been communicating with them recently.