I have heard a lot in school and from the news media and teachers that Islam is a religion of tolerance and peace and I have been doing some research and came up with these teachings from the Quran:
I want to talk about Islam, NOT CHRISTIANITY OR JUDIASM.
Saying "Well theres quotes from the bible too bla bla bla" is just proving Christianity is just as intolerant as Islam so lets keep this debate about Islam.
After reading these quotes give a response! What do you think?
Quran Surah 2: The Cow
Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6
Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10
A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24
Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90
For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104
For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114
Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126
The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162
They will not emerge from the Fire. 167
Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174
How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 191
War is ordained by Allah. 216
Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217
Disbelievers worship false gods. They will burn forever in the Fire. 257
Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264
"Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 286
Quran Surah 3: The Family Of 'Imran
Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4
Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10
Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12
Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21
Theirs will be a painful doom. 77
All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91
Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6
Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116
The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151
Theirs will be an awful doom. 176
Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177
Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 178
Disbelievers will go to Hell. 196
Quran Surah 4: Women
Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 14
For the disbelievers, We have prepared a painful doom. 18
For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 37
Hell is sufficient for their burning. 55
Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 56
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 74
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 76
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 91 ( Offering peace in Islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive war, 'ditch' was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism 'jihad' will continue until the West "offers peace". This was made clear by Bin Laden.)
Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 115
Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 137
For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 138
Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 140
The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 145
You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 150-151
For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 161
God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 168-169
Quran Surah 5: The Table Spread
Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 10
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 33 (Anyone who resist Islam is deemed to be making war with Allah)
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 36
Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 37
Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 45
Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72
Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 73
Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 86
Quran Surah 6: The Cattle
Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6
Allah will torment those who deny his revelations. 49
Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 70
When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 93
Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 125
Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 128
Quran Surah 7: The Heights
How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 4-5
Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 27
Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 30
Only believers go to heaven. 32
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 36
Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 38
Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 40-41
Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 50
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 177
Quran Surah 8: The Spoils of War
Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 12
Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 14
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 15-16
Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 35
Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 36
The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 50
The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 55
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 65
A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 67
Surah 9: Repentance
Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 3
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 5
Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 17
Give tiding of a painful doom to Christians and Jews. 34
If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 39
Disbelievers go to hell. 49
Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 60
Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 63
Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 68
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 73
Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 74
For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 90
Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 113
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123
Quran Surah 10: Jonah
Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 4
Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 7-8
Allah has destoyed entire generations. 13
Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 70
Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 73
Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 88
Quran Surah 11: Hud
Disbelievers wil1 end up in the Fire. 17
Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 18-19
Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 106-7
Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 119
Quran Surah 13: The Thunder
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 5
Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 14
Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 18
Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 33-34
The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 35
Quran Surah 14: Abraham
Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2
Allah sends some people astray. 4
Those who are in hell will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 16-17
Allah sends wrong-doers astray. He does whatever he likes. 27
Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 49-50
Quran Surah 15: The Rock
Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 2-3
Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 39-43
Allah's doom is a dolorous doom. 50
Quran Surah 16: The Bee
Allah could have led everyone to the truth, but he chose not to. 9
Those who don't believe in the Hearafter are proud. 22
Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 27-29
Disbelievers are liars. 39
Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 88
Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 94
Quran Surah 17: The Children of Israel
Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 8
Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 10
Allah destroyed entire towns. 16
How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17
Allah intends to burn people in hell. 18
Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 45-46
Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 58
Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 97-98
Quran Surah 18: The Cave
Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 29
Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 53
The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 57
There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 58
Allah has destroyed many towns. 59
On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 100
Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 102
Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 106
Quran Surah 19: Mary
Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 69-70
Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 77-79
Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 83
Allah has destroyed many generations. 98
Quran Surah 20: Ta Ha
Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 127
Allah has destroyed many generations. 128
Quran Surah 21: The Prophets
Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 6
The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. 15
Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 39-40
Allah gave judgment and knowledge to Lot . He was a righteous man. (Genesis 19:7-38) 75
Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. 77
The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 97-99
Surah 22: The Pilgrimage
The devil will guide some to the punishment of the Flame. 3-4
Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 9
Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 15
Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 19-22
Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 25
How many towns Allah has destroyed! 45
Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 51
Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 57
Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 72
Quran Surah 23: The Believers
Allah told Noah not to bother pleading for the people he was about to drown. 27
Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 74-77
When fire burns their faces, they will be glum. 104
Disbelievers will not be successful. 117
Surah 24: The Light
Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 2
Only adulterers can marry adulteresses. Believers are not to marry them. 3
Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. 26
Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 31
Disbelievers are miscreants. 55
Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 57
It's okay for believers to own slaves. 58
The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 62
Quran Surah 25: The Criterion
Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 11-13
Allah will force the evil-doers to taste great torment. 19
It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 26-27
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 36
Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 37
Quran Surah 26: The Poets
Allah destroyed the people in Lot 's town with a dreadful rain. 172-3
Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 201
Those who believe in another god are doomed. 213
Quran Surah 27: The Ant
Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 4-5
"Allah destroyed them and their people, every one." 51
But he "saved those who believed." 53
Allah sent a dreadful rain on "those who stayed behind." 58
Whoever does something wrong will be thrown into the Fire. 90
Quran Surah 28: The Narrative
Allah has completely destroyed many communities. 58
Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 62-64
Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah. 79-81
Never help disbelievers. 86 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?)
Quran Surah 29: The Spider
Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 23
Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 49
Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 52
The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 53-55
Quran Surah 30: The Romans
Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him. 13-14
Disbelievers will be brought to doom. 16
It's OK to own slaves. 28
Allah does not love disbelievers. 45
Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 59
Quran Surah 31: Luqman
Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 6-7
Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 23-24
Quran Surah 32: The Prostration
Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 13
Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 14
Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 20
The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 22
Quran Surah 33: The Clans
Don't obey disbelievers. 1 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?)
Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 19
Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 25-26
Allah gave Zeyd’s wife, his own daughter in law to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it's OK to marry your adopted son's ex-wife. 37
Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 48
It's OK to own slaves. 50
Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 50-51
It's OK to own slaves. 55
Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 57
Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 60-61
Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 64-65
The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 66-68
Quran Surah 34: Saba
Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 5
Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 8
But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 12
Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 38
Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 41
Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 45
Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 51-52
I've thought this for a long time. Its not very open minded. How can you teach peace but threaten 'disbelievers' with eternal fire and doom. This is why im an Atheist. Too much drama.
If you think about it, it's the same thing as christianity.
Islam is based off Christianity. Muhammad thought he was :God's Last Prophet". With Jesus being the Christian prophet and Moses being the Jewish prophet. And this is why Atheism wins, no drama.
It's a way of keeping people in the religion. If you want to take another religion, think twice, for hell awaits you. It's a self-defense mechanism, I think.
QUOTE(Lithium @ Oct 30 2006, 05:10 AM)
If you think about it, it's the same thing as christianity.
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wow exactly what i said don't say....
Well you can't simply expect people to discuss the islamic religion without looking outside to other religions for comparison.. Thats just secluding and therefor reducing one religion.
If that was your purpose then I feel this topic should be closed, however I do not feel that this was your purpose.
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( Offering peace in Islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive war, 'ditch' was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism 'jihad' will continue until the West "offers peace". This was made clear by Bin Laden.)
This statement is false... Offering peace is whatever it means to the reader. Muhammed was a good strategist, you can't win a war if you depend for the most part on the defencive. (Looking at our "pre-emptive strikes" and the way we entered WW2, we were not on the defencive..)
Most of the other quotes are simply saying that unbelievers go to hell... It's not all that out of step with many other religions.
Even though I'm not Catholic, I still belive that the Pope went and said somthing that everyone else in a position of power was reluctent to say, he shed some light on the truth of Islam publicly and that is, "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
See it here.Islam to me, is a bootleg Brood War expansion pack to Judaism.
I'm Islamic, and I can truthfully say that the Koran is the Old Testament written in Arabic.
Additionally, there is no Islamic religion. Islam, practiced correctly, is a personal relationship with god, and therefore, there is no religious part, only belief. Islam as a religion may be intolerant, but those who follow Mohammed's teachings correctly and worship God, not Mohammed and not the Koran, are true Muslims.
A religion is only what you make it to be. Some Christians are extraordinarily violent in the name of their religion, others are quite peaceful and honest following Jesus's teachings. As such, some Muslims are violent in the name of their religion, and some are peaceful and honest.
Islam tolerates any religion that is somehow worshipping a single figure, which therefore includes most everyone, even Atheists, who can be said to worship the big bang, or evolution, or themselves.
Chris, I'd prefer it if you stopped flaming Islam constantly. I don't try to flame Christianity or Judaism, I try to reconcile with Christians and Jews who do not see that we worship the same God, and I try to reconcile with Athiests who do not see that I believe in science. The average Muslim is an average person. My religion does not affect my personality. Religions do not cause violence, or hate, or prejudice. Minds do
I'd also like some sources, Chris. Don't say "the Koran", because you know just as well as I do that there are dozens and hundreds of interpretations of the Koran written by those ranging from right-wing nutjobs like Ahmedinejad to liberalists like me to people with a vendetta against Islam.
This wasn't a flame lol
And my source IS the Quran and NOT a interpretation, its the text, every passage is cited man...
Unless you mean that there different translations from the arabic text then I haven't seen any other version of the translated text.
Ok so how should I repost this debate so that it is NOT Islam that Im talking about. Cause there is a massive trend of people who either directly follow the above passages or don't do anything to stop the people who follow the above text or many even support the above.
I would say there isn't many who actually follow the above text BUT there is a large amount of people who support those radicals and an even bigger group who sits idle and doesn't do anything to stop the radicals...
I didn't mean it in a bad way of what i typed if it offended you, but it seems liked judaism but went in a different direction.
I thought Christians think that Jesus WAS God, not a prophet...
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Oct 30 2006, 05:00 PM)
This wasn't a flame lol
And my source IS the Quran and NOT a interpretation, its the text, every passage is cited man...
Unless you mean that there different translations from the arabic text then I haven't seen any other version of the translated text.
Ok so how should I repost this debate so that it is NOT Islam that Im talking about. Cause there is a massive trend of people who either directly follow the above passages or don't do anything to stop the people who follow the above text or many even support the above.
I would say there isn't many who actually follow the above text BUT there is a large amount of people who support those radicals and an even bigger group who sits idle and doesn't do anything to stop the radicals...
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No, you're wrong. The Koran was not written in English, and no language can be literally translated into another, thus, different interpretations.
Plus, it's a flame, as you've not listed a source for your transliteration. I use a Koran translated into modern english. It's a liberal Koran, which is why I chose it.
The version of the Koran you've seen was either created by a nutty, extremist Christian, or by a terrorist group or neoconservative imam.
I would say a good third of Muslims, mostly Shi'ites and organized Sunnis, are very conservative. However, Muslims who do not participate in organized religion are very liberal. Those of use who are liberal can't get the word out, because the conservatives are unchanging. They're like slaves to their masters, and it's quite ridiculous and disgusting. The conservative Imams ought to be jailed for encouraging violence, but the problem is that the governments are controlled by conservatives because liberals aren't vocal enough, which means that the terrorism wont be stopped.
But, don't lose hope, it's likely that Islamic states that have not yet liberalized will face revolutions soon.
There is way too much to read on your first post so i will just say what i believe of islam.
1) You leave the religion and you face the death penalty, how tolerant is that.
2) They claim that all other religions are wrong and you should be islamic.
3) They also claim that Allah told them what will happen in the future, however they also mention Muhammed flying on a griffin.
4) They have said that other holy books are wrong because they were written by people, and the Qu'ran was written by god. However the story goes that the people wrote the prophecys that muhammed told them AFTER he died.
Some personal thoughts about islam.
1) They have their own sacred language for it, yet they abuse it to say stuff about people without them knowing what is going on -- cowards.
2) There is racism within their own religion (i've seen it happen in Religous Education class. Sunni and whatever the type is called) How stupid.
Personal stories.
On the bus one day there was a muslim and a white girl, they was arguing and then the muslim said "we are invading england and taking control." To many that may mean nothing but if you was there you would of known that he wasn't joking.
A Muslim girl in my class started drawing all over the desk saying "England Sucks" and making racial comments about white people.
I was walking with my best friend called Tashan, he is half cast (white mother, black father) and his mother. We just left the shops and then a group of 12 Muslims started shouting N***a at him.
I came from England which anybody that has visited or lived there will know, England is covered in Muslims and almost all of them i have met were racist to white people AND black people and would always claim that we were racist to them.
Basically i find them to be very intolerant of other religions and races, yet claim that we are intolerant of them because of their color -- all though in some cases people are racist, they are generally detestable human beinges towards other people and then when they get what they deserve, claim it is racism.
Islam when taken literally is a extremely intolerant religion.
Islam when opened up to liberal interpretation (ie. if they say you should cut off their fingers they don't really mean take a knife and actually cut of their fingers) is as tolerant as the believer wants it to be.
I believe the same holds true for other religions, but that's not what we're talking about.
Anyone who talks about how tolerant Islam is, is full of liberal PC bull.
I am not fairly familiar with the islam religion at all. Really, the main thing we learned about them in highschool world geography is that they have this five pillar thing. That's all i am really familiar with that dinstinguishes them pretty well.
There are idiot Muslims, however, they seem to be concentrated in Britain from what I know. American Muslims tend to be less outspoken until something directly affects them, such as placing surveillance cameras in all mosques.
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Oct 30 2006, 04:01 PM)
There are idiot Muslims, however, they seem to be concentrated in Britain from what I know. American Muslims tend to be less outspoken until something directly affects them, such as placing surveillance cameras in all mosques.
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so true.
QUOTE(Neiji @ Oct 30 2006, 05:46 PM)
I thought Christians think that Jesus WAS God, not a prophet...
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Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit. AKA Trinity.
As far as I have seen in this one thread alone.. is that most of you are as intolerant as you claim islam to be. Chris, your post can be taken as a flame on Islam.
Scwizard, shut up. 'Nuff said. You know what... thats not enough. Unless you are muslim, have read the Qua'ran in its entirety, you need to shut the F up. Islam is no more intolerant then Christianity is, or Judiaism is.
QUOTE(Kashmir @ Oct 30 2006, 07:40 PM)
As far as I have seen in this one thread alone.. is that most of you are as intolerant as you claim islam to be. Chris, your post can be taken as a flame on Islam.
Scwizard, shut up. 'Nuff said. You know what... thats not enough. Unless you are muslim, have read the Qua'ran in its entirety, you need to shut the F up. Islam is no more intolerant then Christianity is, or Judiaism is.
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Calm down, this is just a discussion, not flaming.
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Oct 30 2006, 03:00 PM)
No, you're wrong. The Koran was not written in English, and no language can be literally translated into another, thus, different interpretations.
Plus, it's a flame, as you've not listed a source for your transliteration. I use a Koran translated into modern english. It's a liberal Koran, which is why I chose it.
The version of the Koran you've seen was either created by a nutty, extremist Christian, or by a terrorist group or neoconservative imam.
I would say a good third of Muslims, mostly Shi'ites and organized Sunnis, are very conservative. However, Muslims who do not participate in organized religion are very liberal. Those of use who are liberal can't get the word out, because the conservatives are unchanging. They're like slaves to their masters, and it's quite ridiculous and disgusting. The conservative Imams ought to be jailed for encouraging violence, but the problem is that the governments are controlled by conservatives because liberals aren't vocal enough, which means that the terrorism wont be stopped.
But, don't lose hope, it's likely that Islamic states that have not yet liberalized will face revolutions soon.
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Where am I wrong? Point it out becuase you said the exact same thing I said, anyone else notice that?
What radical white conservative christians would know arabic?
Kashmir:
This is just a talk and Im sorry if it is seen as a flame, but we are just talking and we have the freedom to talk about it. You wouldn't be suggesting we close this talk would you? Also why are you defending Islam? I thought you hated all religion becuase it blinds people or something to that extent.
Islam's about as tolerant as any other organized religion. I don't know much about it, but from what I've seen, it says, like the others, that people that don't believe in Allah are going to Hell. However, I just skimmed over it, and it said that people of other faiths would go to Hell, but it never said to kill them or anything like that (I might have missed that part because I just skimmed over those passages).