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LW is incessantly posting OSMAP links in this topic.
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=36201
I've had to edit it three times. I'm reluctant to ban him... what do you guys think?

I'm sure he's fully aware of the consequences of posting OSMAP here. It just sucks that he's so deliberately defiant. He's a cool guy. I'm sure you've PM'd him already to tell him to stop. I wonder what got under his skin so much (other than several members very rudely opposing him) that he'd push the laws of a place he used to care about.

Maybe he's trying to be a martyr for his cause? I can understand that. But I hardly think STARCRAFT MAP PROTECTION is an issue to be so dramatic about.

I don't wanna say ban him. But damn, if it gets to the point where you've tried everything else...

My advice would be that when in doubt, read the rule book. If the rulebook fails, talk to higher powers. (For moose that would have to be a divine conversation though. )

Now I finally see a reason to punish LegacyWeapon.


If you haven't already, PM him his "final" warning. The next OSMAP link he posts, IP ban him for good. Or you can go ahead and ban him if you want to; I'd have no objections to that.

And just to think how things could have turned out if DEAD hadn't rigged the OSMAP poll...

Well, it's up to you whether you want to punish him or not, but I have a feeling he's leaving the site anyway.

Dead rigged the poll? What a tosser =/

Ye i do believe he is leaving. As CapWill said punishment is up to you, Other then that nothing else can be done other then editing his post and delete url.

Banning at this point might be overreacting a bit. I'm going to continue reasoning with him through private messages.

I think he's just a bit disgruntled from his earlier demotion. Even if he probably anticipated his demotion by taking the OSMAP stance, I'm sure he still sees it as a personal offense on some level.

Honestly, I wouldn't know what to do yet about this matter. We all know he has his merits, but he seems to have taken a grudge to this site now and it doesn't look like that's going to easily go away. OSMAP is only the catalyst.


I wish I knew more of the story beyond OSMAP, though.

There isn't much to say about OSMAP apart from the fact that it appeared out of nowhere and bypassed all forms of protection, leading to apocalyptic predictions from the usual protection crew, and civil war on SEN which got much much worse when LW revealed himself to be the creator. Being an influential figure he was in a good position to divide the site even further as a few people came over onto his side and made the split about 50/50.

A poll was held, the result of which was that SEN would not support OSMAP or host it. The poll was very close, with about 20 votes in it, and later we found out that DEAD had rigged the poll with his 30 accounts...which would have made OSMAP the winner had the poll not been rigged.

Any admin can feel free to enlighten me on the poll rigging, but I think I'm right on this.

DT, you know my stance on OSMAP. If I saw it was supported by 75%, I can say there's a reasonable chance it would have been allowed. Even now at this point, I'm reconsidering my stance on releasing it.

At this point, I don't think LW would give a damn if he got banned. Remember "Maplantis"? He has no need for SEN.

Basically I've tried to hold a neutral stance on this and I still try to hold it.

LW broke current rules and policies, it is up to you guys to figure out what to do with him. It's not which rule he broke, but the fact that he broke them. I'm not talking about banning or suspension, but verbal communication should be key here.

About the OSMap issue, this site was created and is still run for one thing, to help all mapmakers of all sorts. This is why I think we should be neutral upon the issue, but the problem is how do we act upon it? Allowing OSMap implies that we support it, and disallowing it means the opposite.

The only compromise on the OSMAP policy I think is valid is for non-public use only. There's no reason it shouldn't exist outright, or that it can't be useful for some things (fixing patch-affected maps, for instance). But unless you're willing to accept the potential risks and ignore the wishes of mappers who deliberately added protection (instead of questioning their reasons; another seperate issue), we'd be compromising ourselves to allow it. It just otherwise isn't a good way to go about editing existing maps. That should always be done with a non-protected copy instead, if possible (OSMAP can't recover all the map's data, and sometimes also corrupts them).


However, I'm now thinking that closure on this topic alone would be worth almost as much as the costs. It's been haunting us too long, and frankly map stealing isn't that big a deal (especially with the proper precautions). Even the minority potentially endangered by it ought to be encouraged instead to take those necessary precautions anyway, even if they may complicate their map making process (they'd still likely be in danger against a determined map thief anyway, as it's not difficult to find OSMAP elsewhere).




Your decision, though. The only reason for not allowing OSMAP, when you get down to it, is principle. Principle of respect for map maker's decisions (which, as nice as that sounds, is fairly moot by this point), and general opposition against theft.

The idea was to convince people that they don't need to protect their maps at all.
Making an unprotector probably wasn't the best course of action. Though, if not for people's gross misinterpretation of the message, it may have actually been succsessful.
Unfortunately people just see it as some sort of terrible evil that needs to be destroyed.

Also, instead of speculating as to why Legacy does what he does, you might try asking him about it.

If someone could give me his MSN, I'd like to talk to him.

He still connects with legacyweapon@gmail.com

legacyweapon@gmail.com

I've known him for a long time, and he's always had that kind of stuck-up attitude. Maybe you should suspend him for a month, let him clear his mind?

Oh wow, my post lagged for like 30 minutes.

Suspending him would have no effect. It would give him more time to work on and manage Maplantis. He really wouldn't care. Not to mention he's smart, and that would probably do nothing to stop him from getting on SEN anyway (assuming he wanted to)

Maplantis looks alot ... Crazier today than it did 2 months ago, I think their code broke.

If there's turmoil there and an agreement can be reached, perhaps I might offer Legacy a chance to work for SEN.

EDIT 2: Progress is being made.

The thing I can't get over is how he acted surprised and worried when he "first heard" about OSMAP, and it was all just an act. Maybe its just me, but someone who is honest, how ever immoral, garners more respect from me than someone who lies.