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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-11-30 at 15:34:48
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/11/30/bru...rce_quad_cores/

First off, I don't understand why they are working with nVidia when they purchased ATI.

Second, I don't think this is the answer for AMD, the Core 2's are still better, the FX-7's still use the same archatechture as the FX-6's, AMD still uses a 90nm process, and Intel is already working on 45nm..

These processors will really only be used for servers, workstations, and enthusiasts, though..

It's hard seeing AMD lose to Intel.. sad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-11-30 at 18:31:30
Don't worry. Barcelona is scheduled to be released in mid-07, and it looks pretty exciting! Linkage

Also, 4x4 is the first step in AMD's return to the top. It will be a chipset used in the future, trust me on that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-11-30 at 22:34:36
I really don't think AMD is going to recover that easilly, but I'm not exactly an Intel fan yet happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-12-01 at 18:06:02
K8L comes out next year with significant improvements over K8, and AMD Fusion (CPU+GPU integration processor) is expected late 2008 or early 2009. I'm sure that they're making K8L an evolutionary step towards Fusion so they can further perfect the technology. It just makes you wonder how powerful processors are going to be in a few years. I mean, in the age of the Athlon XP, you could roughly estimate how powerful Athlon 64 would be, but with Fusion, it's an entirely new technology. Who knows what kind of performance increase is possible?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-12-01 at 18:24:33
Yeah, and what do you think Intel has up their sleeves? Being ahead of AMD in technology helps, and yes I know K8L is supposed to come out with significant improvements, how big will those improvements be, and will they be priced well..?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-12-01 at 18:33:12
I don't know what the pricing will be, but it will be competitive, unless it completely blows Intel processors out of the water, in which case you might see some ah... inflated pricing. Then again, if you're willing to pay for a premium... happy.gif

I also don't really know what the increases in performance will be, but here are the possible ones from the wiki:

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    * ISA additions and extensions:
          o New instructions LZCNT, POPCNT, EXTRQ/INSERTQ, MOVNTSD/MOVNTSS
          o Extension to the AMD64 instruction set during 2007; it is unclear whether AMD plans this for Revision G or Revision H chips.
          o New SIMD instruction set and new, wide SIMD units; in a yet unspecified time frame.
          o Implementation and possibly adding extensions of SSSE3 (which was called "SSE4" prior to its official name announced) and/or SSE4 , which AMD codenamed SSE4a.

    * Execution Datapath enhancements:
          o More aggressive prefetching (16 bytes to 32 bytes)
          o Out of order loads
          o 128 bit wide Floating point units
          o Larger Out of Order (OoO) buffers
          o Greater number of entries in Branch Target Buffer
          o Probable new additions to micro-ops ROM

    * Integration of new technologies onto CPU die:
          o Four processor cores (Quad-core)
          o independently changeable core voltages
          o Split Power Planes, first dubbed Dynamic Independent Core Engagement or D.I.C.E. by AMD and is now known as Enhanced Cool 'n' Quiet, which "clock-gen" or PLL (Phase-locked loop) present in each core and the northbridge, allowing the cores and the northbridge to scale up and down power consumptions automatically. [11]
          o Large Level-3 non-inclusive cache, initially expected to be a minimum of 2MB shared cache between processing cores on a single die (each with 512 KB of independent second-level cache).
          o Z-RAM technology, projected to bring 4-5 times the cell density of current SRAM for CPU cache, which may or may not be in time for 2007 implementation.

    * Improvements in the Memory Subsystem:
          o 48-bit memory addressing for the address BUS of massive memory subsystems
          o Simultaneous DDR2, DDR3 support
          o FB-DIMM support in server processors for Opterons after year 2008
          o Memory mirroring support and Enhanced RAS
          o Possible use of an intrim socket dubbed "Socket AM2+" which only supports HT 3.0 and DDR2.
          o Possible use of new socket (Socket AM3), containing both DDR2 and DDR3 controllers: AM3 chips to be backward compatible with Socket AM2 motherboards; but socket AM2 chips will not be compatible with AM3 motherboards. Recent information indicates that Socket AM3 may not be deployed until AMD's 45nm manufacturing process is ready, due to the anticipated slow adoption of DDR3 (despite both bandwidth and energy efficiency over DDR2); [12].
          o In recent reports[13], AMD K8L CPUs will adapt two sockets namely "Socket AM2+" and "Socket F+", which is capable of running HyperTransport 3.0 with the use of DDR2 DIMMs. The "Socket AM3" will be postsponed until 2008, the two suggested sockets have the same pin definitions as the old Socket AM2 and Socket F with the only difference of the capability of running HyperTransport 3.0 at working frequencies higher than 1.6 GHz.
          o Quad-core revision will have two independent memory controllers (two 64-bit) each with its own physical address space thus giving an opportunity to better utilize the available bandwidth in case of random memory accesses, mostly beneficial in multi-threaded environment. This approach is in a contrary to the previous "interleaved" design, where the two 64-bit channels are bounded to a single [common] address space, and it will be the first single-chip implementation of NUMA memory access.

    * Improvements in System Interconnect:
          o HyperTransport retry support
          o Support for HyperTransport 3.0, with HyperTransport Link unganging which creates 8 point-to-point links per socket.
          o Support for HyperTransport 4.0 at an unspecified date; according to techreport.com[14] and some other sources.
          o Increased number of HyperTransport links per processor package to 4 (from 3 in current Opterons), and maximum socket count to 32; this will be implemented in Revision H Opterons.

    * Platform Level Enhancements with additional functionalities:
          o Official support for coprocessors connected via HyperTransport Expansion Slot (HTX)
          o Opening cache coherent HyperTransport (ccHT) standard to third party developments: Torrenza initiative.
          o Vector coprocessor support, which will bring 1-2 orders of FP/SIMD performance increase if a specialized processor is attached via coherent HyperTransport link in a specialized socket.
          o Possible integration of GPU functionalities onto a CPU die or package.


*Edit* I know some of these have been verified already. Which ones I could not tell you, but at least you know there is a good level of truth in this wiki. Also, the FX60 is only $460 on Newegg right now. I remember when that cost $1100 (wow, only from January of this year)! That's a total steal compared to even the X6800 for $1000. Of course, for a processor, I'd have to say the E6600 is the one to get for $300 right now. I hear that you can get X6800 stock level performance with that baby.
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