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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Eskimo Bob on 2006-12-18 at 03:24:42

Windows Vista is coming out January 30th 2007 i heard, What do you think about it, you can get it for free off the internet but thats pirating...

Are you getting it?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-12-18 at 04:50:07

I don't get why you would want your windows in 3d...

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-12-18 at 07:15:40

First off, my computer wouldn't run it very fast, so I don't want to switch to it yet. Second, if I do end up using Vista, it probably won't be a legitimate copy. XP suits me fine, for now.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by marxel on 2006-12-18 at 08:36:40

^ Agreed

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-12-18 at 15:52:28

I might not get it immediately, but I've been a sucker for 3d for ages

Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-12-18 at 15:55:06

I love the skin

My computer wouldn't be able to handle it well, so no. The next computer I get will be a vista computer, probably.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Xx.Doom.xX on 2006-12-18 at 16:07:16

The skin is so sexy.
I'm probably going to get it no doubt once I get my laptop, but my problem with it is this:
"Will StarCraft be playable on it?!"
Feedback from Blizzard Tech (I mailed them):

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Greetings,

Thank you for emailing the Blizzard technical support department in regards to
your questions. Our older games are not currently supported for any of the
newer operating systems such as Vista or XP 64, but so long as the drivers you
have for your hardware, and the hardware itself is 100% compatible with the
operating system there should not be any problems. If your drivers are not
fully supported yet the only thing that will be able to be done is to wait for a
later release of the drivers.

Please note that some of the drivers may still be beta drivers and as such these
will also not be supported by the hardware manufacturer, windows or by us at the
moment. So long as the drivers are fully compatible with your system hardware
then there shouldnt be any problems that I am aware of. However please note
that the games are not supported yet on the newer operating systems still.

Asking tech if SC would be updated and whatnot:

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Hi again,

To be honest I have no idea if the games will be updated, but I would think that
once Vista is released that the games would be tested for problems. The drivers
will be the software drivers for hardware devices. Every piece of hardware in a
system, such as video, sound, USB, hard disk and so on, will normally have a
software driver associated with it. This normally isnt a problem unless the
hardware company does not update their drivers regularly for new operating
systems or games. Some companies will release a driver that works at the time
that the device was released, but then not update the driver regularly causing
issues with newer games that are not resolvable through any normal means, or at
all. The best thing I can suggest in regards to this would be to find out if
the company brand that you are buying the computer from has regular updates
available on their website or through some other means.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-12-18 at 17:00:45

Vista 64-bit cannot play 16-bit programs, but it can handle 32-bit programs quite easily. Unless I'm quite mistaken, StarCraft is 32-bit, so you shouldn't have any trouble. However, Vista 32-bit can handle 16-bit programs, but you won't be able to access more than ~3.5 GB of memory (not that I think any of you will).

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-12-18 at 17:54:20

I'll probably get another new computer, or build one before I go for Vista. But if I get one building it, it'll most definantly be pirated. I'll probably just switch fully onto Linux by then, though.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pie_Sniper on 2006-12-18 at 18:44:03

Well, it's compatible with Window XP x64, so if they thought it wasn't and it is, I'd assume it works for Vista.

I thought Vista was coming out in 20007.

Not sure about Vista. Might get it a while after its release.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultramilkman on 2006-12-18 at 19:03:25

Vista won't be able to run on my PC, the start up will take 1 hour or something.
Hello uncle that works with microsoft, hello vista cd hello ebay.

J/k

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cole on 2006-12-18 at 20:54:40

I like Vista and will get it eventually.

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I'm probably going to get it no doubt once I get my laptop, but my problem with it is this:
"Will StarCraft be playable on it?!"

Btw, Vista runs just about all Xp games/applications. Starcraft has run perfectly since the Beta2 days(the earliest Vista i've had). Even Diablo runs perfectly.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-12-18 at 21:15:48

QUOTE(Pie_Sniper @ Dec 18 2006, 06:44 PM)

I thought Vista was coming out in 20007.

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It does.

I read in article in Time from mid-November. They were comparing a laptop and a macbook, and at the end they listed negatives for each. For the laptop, they put, "It's a shame it doesn't come preloaded with Vista.J". I laughed at Time for suggesting to preload a product not for sale onto laptops.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-12-18 at 21:44:39

Here is a better question: why would you want to play StarCraft on Vista anyway? Honestly, if you're not going to get some games younger than eight years old, don't bother with Vista.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-12-18 at 21:49:18

QUOTE(Rantent @ Dec 18 2006, 01:50 AM)

I don't get why you would want your windows in 3d...
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A useless waste of large amounts of RAM, seriously.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-12-18 at 21:57:35

I heard the last release fixed the loading times and the largest part of how much it hogged system resources so it was fairly comparable to XP performance. Don't ask me how they magically coded it correctly, but suddenly you only need 512MB of Ram for smooth performance in the desktop and simple programs instead of 2GB like previously. It's so crazy though because Company of Heroes can use nearly 1GB of Ram by itself, but I have all the effects turned up, so that doesn't worry me too much. Besides, this baby has yet to lag on anything.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-12-18 at 22:12:03

I believe without using the Aero skin, you won't experience much lag on Vista if your computer is decent.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-12-18 at 22:23:20

I want to get Vista, but I wont get it as an upgrade, I wil get a whole new computer. But not for a while. Maybe two years or so. I just got my laptop a year ago. And as of right now I love XP!

Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowFlare on 2006-12-20 at 00:44:52

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I believe without using the Aero skin, you won't experience much lag on Vista if your computer is decent.
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If your graphics hardware is good enough to use the Aero Glass theme, using that actually makes it more responsive since it can draw things on the screen faster and does not need to redraw windows as much.

BTW, I have yet to try out the 64-bit version of Vista, but Starcraft does work just fine on Vista RC1 32-bit. It also works fine on XP x64 edition. SCMLoader works on both of those as well.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Eskimo Bob on 2006-12-20 at 12:05:41

How can i find if my computer can run vista or not?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gradius on 2006-12-20 at 14:26:35

Im gonna stick with xp or windows server 2003. Win2k3 is faster and more stable than xp, which is why microsoft chose to base vista on it.

If its the skin you like then just get a transformation pack.
see:

QUOTE(Felagund @ Dec 18 2006, 04:00 PM)

Uh. Youre probably thinking of 64bit cpus. A 64-bit operating system can only execute 64 bit instructions. Which is why theres barely any drivers and apps for winxp 64bit edition.

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How can i find if my computer can run vista or not?
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Look on microsofts website. They have a tool that tells you just that.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Xx.Doom.xX on 2006-12-20 at 15:59:40

QUOTE(Eskimo Bob @ Dec 20 2006, 12:05 PM)

How can i find if my computer can run vista or not?
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capable.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getr...or/default.mspx

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2006-12-20 at 16:33:21

QUOTE(Gradius @ Dec 20 2006, 02:26 PM)

Uh. Youre probably thinking of 64bit cpus. A 64-bit operating system can only execute 64 bit instructions. Which is why theres barely any drivers and apps for winxp 64bit edition.
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All 64 bit CPUs have support for virtualizing 32 bits, so the only disadvantage to using a 32 bit program on a 64bit CPU is that you wont be able to access more than 4GB of memory.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2006-12-20 at 16:52:38

I'm going to get Vista (since it would be free for me to snatch a copy), but I'm not going to install it because:

QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Dec 18 2006, 09:49 PM)

A useless waste of large amounts of RAM, seriously.
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DT said it right. Read the recommended specs:

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# 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor1.
# 1 GB of system memory.

In truth you should have at least double that. And if you have some crappy on board or older-than-2-years graphics card then you can be sure the OS itself will lag like crazy. With the way Vista hogs your resources I would not be the least bit surprised if someone designs a PCI slot card specifically for running the OS (like a GPU is to games).

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cole on 2006-12-20 at 18:10:22

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If you turn down the graphics out of Aero Glass, so there either done by the CPU or aero(not aero glass) it wont run that bad.

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I would not be the least bit surprised if someone designs a PCI slot card specifically for running the OS (like a GPU is to games).

I would be suprised. I would be more than suprised. I would be shocked and probably shove my head up my own ass for a year.

Simply, the would be no reason to. Vista is an extremely fast and responsive OS. The only thing that takes up quite a bit of memory is the aero glass part. However when you load a heavy application that gets unloaded for the most part. What would help with the unloading and such is just having a flash drive(vista will unload the GUI into the flash drive and then just swap it into memory as required).

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