Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.SOLAR.oO on 2006-12-21 at 03:19:32
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Clan Forum Audits
Clan Forums will be periodically audited by an upper Staff member to ensure that they continue to meet the requirements of clan affiliation and hopefully to catch problems before they become extremely serious. Clan audits are random and may occur with little obvious reason. The auditor must find that a Clan Forum has all of the following in order for the Clan Forum to continue to exist:
* An active member list accurate to within 14 days of the audit including, but not limited to all active members with SEN accounts, their SEN user names, and a link to their profile. Clan members without listed SEN usernames are not recognized by Staredit Network as clan members when counting to membership and activity quotas.
* Five members active (logged in) in the 30 days before the audit, two of which are of Regular status or better.
* At least one map or modification published under the clan banner in the 30 days before the audit, OR at least one map or modification deemed by the auditor to be major and substantial published under the clan banner in the 90 days before the audit.
* At least 3 posts in the Clan Forum in the 7 days before the audit.
* Clear demonstration of a lack of misbehavior in the clan forum.
* Clear demonstration of the relative unity of the clan.
Clans granted forums on or before December 18, 2006 are granted a grace period until January 1, 2007 in order to meet the audit requirements.
Most of this is just continuing to meet the entry requirements for clan forums, but some of the formatting issues will now be required to make it easier to check for things like member activity.
Clan Forums will be periodically audited by an upper Staff member to ensure that they continue to meet the requirements of clan affiliation and hopefully to catch problems before they become extremely serious. Clan audits are random and may occur with little obvious reason. The auditor must find that a Clan Forum has all of the following in order for the Clan Forum to continue to exist:
* An active member list accurate to within 14 days of the audit including, but not limited to all active members with SEN accounts, their SEN user names, and a link to their profile. Clan members without listed SEN usernames are not recognized by Staredit Network as clan members when counting to membership and activity quotas.
* Five members active (logged in) in the 30 days before the audit, two of which are of Regular status or better.
* At least one map or modification published under the clan banner in the 30 days before the audit, OR at least one map or modification deemed by the auditor to be major and substantial published under the clan banner in the 90 days before the audit.
* At least 3 posts in the Clan Forum in the 7 days before the audit.
* Clear demonstration of a lack of misbehavior in the clan forum.
* Clear demonstration of the relative unity of the clan.
Clans granted forums on or before December 18, 2006 are granted a grace period until January 1, 2007 in order to meet the audit requirements.
Most of this is just continuing to meet the entry requirements for clan forums, but some of the formatting issues will now be required to make it easier to check for things like member activity.
Way to go SEN, you're going to start heavily monitoring clan forums so that they meet your specific guidelines! Now even more people will be frustrated and stressed out by these forums. Since you obviously don't know much about clans, I'll teach you something.
-Every clan has periods of inactivity and fights where some people misbehave in a way that the clan doesn't fit your qualifications. Seriously, there will be no more clans left on SEN if you actually go through with your little idea.
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"Clear demonstration of a lack of misbehavior in the clan forum."
First of all, ignoring the double negatives and severely flawed use of the English language, it looks like you are going to go around and see if we've been naughty or nice. First of all, who is someone young as dtbk to judge whether someone's "misbehaving"? What's the point of closely auditing clan forums? SEN has a lot to gain from the activity of the clans. I know that there is a new website that is rising that already shows signs that it may be superior to SEN called http://www.maplantis.org. I don't think that SEN can afford to do this kind of thing. I suggest the moderators work to make this place more fun and less like some kind of job.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-12-21 at 03:31:16
Has it ever occurred to you that SEN does not exist for the purpose of popularizing map making clans? We're here to help everyone, not become a player in the petty bureaucracy that you like to turn clans into.
Amazingly enough, I knew that. When a clan falls apart, it goes. I'm good with that. This website's job is not the be the clan nanny and help to put back together your clan.
OH NOES!!!
Excuse me? Affixes don't count toward double negatives. A lack of misbehavior simply means that nobody is misbehaving. Not to turn this into a grammar debate, but there is nothing grammatically wrong with that clause except that it isn't a complete sentence.
We are. Unless you actually meant what you said, in which case I have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about.
If you can't meet those simple guidelines, I don't really think SEN has anything to gain from you.
You seem to think that SEN requires clans to exist. Let me set you straight: this website's purpose has nothing to do with clans. We work together here, not start petty infights and clan wars that plague your little societies. Personally, I wouldn't be at all sad to rid SEN of squabbling clans, but I think if a clan can prove its worth, SEN can support it.
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-Every clan has periods of inactivity and fights where some people misbehave in a way that the clan doesn't fit your quallifications.
Amazingly enough, I knew that. When a clan falls apart, it goes. I'm good with that. This website's job is not the be the clan nanny and help to put back together your clan.
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Seriously, there will be no more clans left on SEN if you actually go through with your little idea.
OH NOES!!!
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First of all, ignoring the double negatives and severely flawed use of the English language,
Excuse me? Affixes don't count toward double negatives. A lack of misbehavior simply means that nobody is misbehaving. Not to turn this into a grammar debate, but there is nothing grammatically wrong with that clause except that it isn't a complete sentence.
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First of all, who is a preteen to judge whether someone's "misbehaving"?
We are. Unless you actually meant what you said, in which case I have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about.
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SEN has a lot to gain from the activity of the clans.
If you can't meet those simple guidelines, I don't really think SEN has anything to gain from you.
You seem to think that SEN requires clans to exist. Let me set you straight: this website's purpose has nothing to do with clans. We work together here, not start petty infights and clan wars that plague your little societies. Personally, I wouldn't be at all sad to rid SEN of squabbling clans, but I think if a clan can prove its worth, SEN can support it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro-Fire on 2006-12-21 at 04:54:15
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We're here to help everyone, not become a player in the petty bureaucracy that you like to turn clans into.
and yet i have 60% warns, even though i am a contributing member
the rules are very strictly enforced,
such as a single spam post can get you +20% warn, -200 minerals, -30 posts.
your not exactly here to help everyone from that analasys are you?
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heres a warn gained from mini_moose. (yes the warn% was taken down, i still havent recieved my posts or my minerals)
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QUOTE(Pyro-Fire @ Sep 15 2006 @ 09:02 AM)
[noob-talk]A S7R1NGG R4I1111 PWNZ0R3D T3H 3RW1N L0L0L0L0L0L!!!!@!~!!!!~!!!11111ONEONEONEONEU3HJU7812HY3478923Y78FSHYDGFY23H57892378124389134671TR6423784T6237452369140273428956173582346523457892634STARCRAFT FTW!!![/noob-talk]
on-topic: well i didnt rly like him but alteast he brought money into the country..
edit: wtf is #33;
Spamming.
Removed 100 Minerals.
Removed 25 Posts.
now from that, may i include that he removed 25 cumulative posts, which can be a pain to get seeing as how a post needs to be a certain length (im thinking about 700 characters) to gain a cumulative post.
now if i didnt recieve such harsh warns, i would have atleast ~110 cumulative posts.
here my posts now:
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43
( 0.2 posts per day / 0.01% of total forum posts )
( 0.2 posts per day / 0.01% of total forum posts )
which proves that your statement:
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We're here to help everyone, not become a player in the petty bureaucracy that you like to turn clans into.
is actually quite inaccurate
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-12-27 at 05:04:16
This is hardly the place to discuss such things. I restored the extra lost posts and minerals (from the second and third warns for the same thing), but next time please take it through the proper channels (PM me or moose, and do it POLITELY).
With as many members as we do, we can't help everyone all the time, but we try. And you can't deny that some of your posts were a little.. spammy, no?
With as many members as we do, we can't help everyone all the time, but we try. And you can't deny that some of your posts were a little.. spammy, no?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Killer_Kow(MM) on 2006-12-27 at 11:35:21
Shouldn't this belong in the thread already made about this topic? Seriously, it wasn't necessary to spam the feedback forums with an extra thread...
And who are you to say Maplantis will be better than SEN? I can't even register on the goddamn site because I keep getting errors! Most of the members there are former/current members of SEN, and as of now, it basically feeds off of us. Yes, definitely better than us. Not to mention our far superior DLDB.
And who are you to say Maplantis will be better than SEN? I can't even register on the goddamn site because I keep getting errors! Most of the members there are former/current members of SEN, and as of now, it basically feeds off of us. Yes, definitely better than us. Not to mention our far superior DLDB.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-12-27 at 16:23:41
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Way to go SEN, you're going to start heavily monitoring clan forums so that they meet your specific guidelines! Now even more people will be frustrated and stressed out by these forums. Since you obviously don't know much about clans, I'll teach you something.
-Every clan has periods of inactivity and fights where some people misbehave in a way that the clan doesn't fit your qualifications. Seriously, there will be no more clans left on SEN if you actually go through with your little idea.
First of all, ignoring the double negatives and severely flawed use of the English language, it looks like you are going to go around and see if we've been naughty or nice. First of all, who is someone young as dtbk to judge whether someone's "misbehaving"? What's the point of closely auditing clan forums? SEN has a lot to gain from the activity of the clans. I know that there is a new website that is rising that already shows signs that it may be superior to SEN called http://www.maplantis.org. I don't think that SEN can afford to do this kind of thing. I suggest the moderators work to make this place more fun and less like some kind of job.
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-Every clan has periods of inactivity and fights where some people misbehave in a way that the clan doesn't fit your qualifications. Seriously, there will be no more clans left on SEN if you actually go through with your little idea.
First of all, ignoring the double negatives and severely flawed use of the English language, it looks like you are going to go around and see if we've been naughty or nice. First of all, who is someone young as dtbk to judge whether someone's "misbehaving"? What's the point of closely auditing clan forums? SEN has a lot to gain from the activity of the clans. I know that there is a new website that is rising that already shows signs that it may be superior to SEN called http://www.maplantis.org. I don't think that SEN can afford to do this kind of thing. I suggest the moderators work to make this place more fun and less like some kind of job.
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Solar, you dont even seem to be using your clan forum. Also, be happy that SEN is sponsering your clan in this site. If you dont like it, stop complaining and get out?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Corbo(MM) on 2006-12-27 at 18:01:55
Dissagreed, Clan Forums are just hosted a sen, it does not have to affect sen's function. Besides thoe guidelines although pretty much impossible for modding clans i find them quite necessary 
because it mkaes sure the clan is still alive ad the activity of sen.
because it mkaes sure the clan is still alive ad the activity of sen.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-12-27 at 19:10:15
Clan forums are a privilege. If you are inactive on the site or in map/mod making, the Administration shouldn't be hosting your forum.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-12-27 at 21:36:21
Do you recommend we allow constant flaming to go on within the clan forums? 
vvv 'twas totally my suggestion ~.~
vvv 'twas totally my suggestion ~.~
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-12-27 at 22:44:30
Nah, and I might slip in code to have reports there go to all global mods and admins as well.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-12-28 at 00:01:14
Can't you just do that for all the forums? It's the #1 thing I hate about Invision.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lord_Jeremy on 2006-12-28 at 00:28:14
*sigh* This reminds me of a dispute that occurred in another game modding community I fancy...
SOLAR, might I remind you that until you start paying the undoubtedly HUGE bandwidth and hosting costs for this website, you have absolutely NO say over how it is run. DTBK and the rest of the admins are providing you a generous service at no personal gain. You have no reason to think that you're more important than they are. They could ban you and your entire clan for no reason, and I doubt very many people would care.
Let me put it in terms your inflated ego can comprehend:
This website is like a game of Altered Starcraft WITH GOD OMFG HACKZ. We are the players, dinking around, working together to build cities and crud. The admins are the GOD, and they prefer if we didn't fight with each other. If one of the players starts cussing, or killing their allies, or just plain pisses them off, the GOD ADMIN PWNZORS will go into their base with Battlecruisers and Archons and other 9999 units and beat them to bloody pulp. The players can't do crap about this. Their 50 Siege Tanks are about as effective as pop guns. In the end, all they can do is sit there and get raped. Ho capito?
SOLAR, might I remind you that until you start paying the undoubtedly HUGE bandwidth and hosting costs for this website, you have absolutely NO say over how it is run. DTBK and the rest of the admins are providing you a generous service at no personal gain. You have no reason to think that you're more important than they are. They could ban you and your entire clan for no reason, and I doubt very many people would care.
Let me put it in terms your inflated ego can comprehend:
This website is like a game of Altered Starcraft WITH GOD OMFG HACKZ. We are the players, dinking around, working together to build cities and crud. The admins are the GOD, and they prefer if we didn't fight with each other. If one of the players starts cussing, or killing their allies, or just plain pisses them off, the GOD ADMIN PWNZORS will go into their base with Battlecruisers and Archons and other 9999 units and beat them to bloody pulp. The players can't do crap about this. Their 50 Siege Tanks are about as effective as pop guns. In the end, all they can do is sit there and get raped. Ho capito?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-12-28 at 00:35:37
I don't know what DT thinks, but I see no reason to stir anything up with Oo.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-12-30 at 11:52:46
I agree with Solar on some aspects... mainly this: "Every clan has periods of inactivity and fights where some people misbehave in a way that the clan doesn't fit your qualifications."
I'd have to say... just because one clan goes to crap and causes problems on SEN as a whole (outside of their forum), doesn't mean we have to make things hell for everyone else to make sure it doesn't happen again.
DTBK, before you even get the intention to delete a clan forum, make sure you check in with me.
I'd have to say... just because one clan goes to crap and causes problems on SEN as a whole (outside of their forum), doesn't mean we have to make things hell for everyone else to make sure it doesn't happen again.
DTBK, before you even get the intention to delete a clan forum, make sure you check in with me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-12-30 at 14:39:22
Cause hell? I see absolutely no need to play clan nanny when a clan falls apart.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-12-30 at 22:27:47
Then don't. (And why plan clan nanny to all the clans?)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kookster on 2006-12-30 at 22:37:30
I see what IP is saying. If they screw up with their clan let them do it. Why worry it just makes more for you to do!
Did I get that right??
Did I get that right??
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-12-30 at 22:39:08
Let them screw up in their own time on their own server space. Why should we sanction and harbor such things?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shocko on 2006-12-30 at 22:39:53
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Not to mention our far superior DLDB.
The one filled with tons of copies of junk maps?
I disagreed with this rule made by DTBK, but the requirements are respectable.
To my beliefs there has been some controversy in the Staff Lounge about this topic after the release of it, so don't think that SEN is out to get your clan.
I also believe that this rule was brought here to enforce the rules from before, you guys may or may not of noticed, but if they took away your forum at "their own discretion" which they can, you'd complain about that too.
Yes I plan on applying for a forum on SEN in the near future, and yes, I find this whole audit idea objectable. However at the end of the day, it's a rule -- stop wasting time complaining and get to work on meeting the requirements.
and for the record Solar, you're hardly ever posting on SEN anymore anyways, what does it matter to you if you lose your forum? especially when you have your own one -- which you're not supposed to have.