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Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheatEnabled on 2007-01-14 at 07:49:38
Did man land on the moon?
Yes, of course! most out there will say.
My opinion is different. Allright, maybe man landed on the moon in the later years, but in 1969? No way. Too much evidence against it. For example, there is no wind on the moon. So then, why does it look like a breeze blows through the American flag? Also, the sun is in a completely wrong direction. Read this, and see if you will join my rank of the non-believers.
The Fake Moon Landing
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2007-01-14 at 09:20:01
I believe the moon landing was not a hoax.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_l...oax_accusations
Report, edit, etc...Posted by green_meklar on 2007-01-14 at 11:29:46
Personally I believe the Moon landings were real. Lithium's link has some excellent refutations of many of the commonly cited pieces of 'evidence' used in favor of the conspiracy theories.

One of the most important things, as far as I can tell, is Russia's silence. It was the Cold War, the russians and the americans were racing each other into space. Russia had everything to gain from exposing a conspiracy, and if anyone had the capabilities to do it, they did. But they never said a thing. Instead of one of the world's largest superpowers, the 'conspiracy' was 'exposed' by a few unofficial individuals from random places around the world. If nothing else, I think this shows just how unlikely it is that the landings were faked.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Xx.Doom.xX on 2007-01-14 at 11:56:41
[sarcasm]No we didn't land on the moon.[/sarcasm] Why are you doubting it? It's not a hoax. Why would someone make up something like that?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheatEnabled on 2007-01-14 at 13:00:43
To win the cold war, to be an even greater world power than already. Just think about. Also, I doubt you guys read my link. I understand that you think it actually happened, and I think so too, but not in 1969. It's just to damn early.
Also, please don't try to be patriotic on this one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2007-01-14 at 13:19:55
If you really want to prove it to yourself go out and buy a telescope and point it to where the alleged landing was. You will either find evidence or a lack of.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2007-01-14 at 13:22:31
Any idiot can post up a website stating anything. Just like how I saw a site that said Hitler was actually chinese. Why are you people doubting these things if they actually havent even gone on the moon? Heres your explanation on the Flag moving. (Anyways if they did do it on earth on some propping place, I doubt there would be wind blowing inside the building.)

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5. The flag placed on the surface by the astronauts flapped despite there being no wind on the Moon. Bart Sibrel said "The wind was probably caused by intense air-conditioning used to cool the astronauts in their lightened, un-circulated space suits. The cooling systems in the backpacks would have been removed to lighten the load not designed for Earth’s six times heavier gravity, otherwise they might have fallen over".

The astronauts were moving the flag into position, causing motion. Since there is no air on the Moon to provide friction, these movements caused a long-lasting undulating movement seen in the flag. There was a rod extending from the top of the flagpole to hold the flag out for proper display. The fabric's rippled appearance was due to its having been folded during flight and gave it an appearance which could be mistaken for motion in a still photograph. The top supporting rod of the flag was telescopic and the crew of Apollo 11 found they could not fully extend it. Later crews did not fully extend this rod because they liked how it made the flag appear. A viewing of the videotape made during the Moonwalk shows that shortly after the astronauts remove their hands from the flag/flagpole, it stops moving and remains motionless. At one point the flag is in view for well over thirty minutes and it remains completely motionless throughout that period (and all similar periods). (See inertia.) See the photographs below.


Before
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AldrinFlag1a.jpeg
After
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AldrinFlag2a.jpeg

But then again, wikipedia stands for What I know Information pedia. Even though, there are documented evidences on books and government official documents.

Heres a question to think about. How are we able to get on the moon now? The advancement on getting on the moon now is proof that we were able to go on the moon like 50 years ago.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2007-01-14 at 13:59:27
No one ever landed on the moon, the Vampires blew it up ages ago to claim victory over the Werewolves, the moon we now see is the replica that the werewovles projected into the sky to protect themselves. It is a metal sheeted hot air balloon.

The real moon does not exist, so we never landed on it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FatalException on 2007-01-14 at 14:31:31
I read over the page CheatEnabled posted (well, most of it) and once you got about halfway through their first section, it seemed more like they were trying to prove that the landing did happen. Smart move, O Great Conspiritors.
Final verdict: Moon landing happened. The people who wrote that page are just more who will believe in any conspiracy they may find. They're like the people on Wikipedia who write stuff that sounds real, but isn't (I'm talking about when they were actually trying to disprove that the landing happened, nothing after the point in the first section that I previously described).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2007-01-14 at 15:21:48
FatalException is correct, that site is contradicting the claims that the moon landings were a hoax...

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That said, one thing they did  not do, unquestionably, was fake the Moon landings. In fact, most of the charges made, not just by Collier and Percy, but by others who have picked up the mantle of their assertions, are so absurd, so easily discredited, so lacking in any kind of scientific analysis and just plain common sense that they give legitimate conspiracy theories -- like ours -- a bad name.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2007-01-14 at 19:12:20
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To win the cold war, to be an even greater world power than already. Just think about. Also, I doubt you guys read my link. I understand that you think it actually happened, and I think so too, but not in 1969. It's just to damn early.
Also, please don't try to be patriotic on this one.

It's not too damn early. Cold War started about at the end of WWII. Nuclear bombs were existant way before the ones that were dropped in Japan. Rocket science was being researched, and if they had rockets, they can go on the moon and back. As far as I can tell, 38 years isn't much.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by green_meklar on 2007-01-14 at 19:15:18
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I understand that you think it actually happened, and I think so too, but not in 1969. It's just to damn early.

Then how do you explain the fact that Russia never exposed the conspiracy?
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Heres a question to think about. How are we able to get on the moon now? The advancement on getting on the moon now is proof that we were able to go on the moon like 50 years ago.

Sorry, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean, what if people had said the same thing back then?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2007-01-14 at 22:16:45
QUOTE(green_meklar @ Jan 14 2007, 07:15 PM)
Then how do you explain the fact that Russia never exposed the conspiracy?

Sorry, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean, what if people had said the same thing back then?
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Then that proves that they were able to get to the moon. How simple is that?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2007-01-14 at 23:13:09
QUOTE(Voyager7456(MM) @ Jan 14 2007, 03:21 PM)
FatalException is correct, that site is contradicting the claims that the moon landings were a hoax...
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2007-01-16 at 16:13:20
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One of the most important things, as far as I can tell, is Russia's silence. It was the Cold War, the russians and the americans were racing each other into space. Russia had everything to gain from exposing a conspiracy, and if anyone had the capabilities to do it, they did. But they never said a thing. Instead of one of the world's largest superpowers, the 'conspiracy' was 'exposed' by a few unofficial individuals from random places around the world. If nothing else, I think this shows just how unlikely it is that the landings were faked.

When did this conspiracy theory start? When we found out there was no wind on the moon. How did Russia know that there was no wind on the moon? Before.

Plus, if it were possible at all to claim that, with backup, that the Americans lied, Russia would have exposed it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by green_meklar on 2007-01-16 at 18:56:40
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Then that proves that they were able to get to the moon. How simple is that?

But does it prove they were able to get there 50 years ago, like you said?
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When did this conspiracy theory start? When we found out there was no wind on the moon. How did Russia know that there was no wind on the moon? Before.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2007-01-16 at 20:46:51
Russia didn't start attacking the U.S. with their video because they had no proof of any type that the video was a fake. They didn't know that there was no wind on the moon. They were fooled. You can't judge all this by Russia's reaction. Though I'm not sure whether it's a fake or not, it's certainly plausible that America lied.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheatEnabled on 2007-01-17 at 15:03:17
Good to have someone actually agreeing with me. I have a feeling noone agreed because they are patriots.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2007-01-17 at 17:29:21
QUOTE(green_meklar @ Jan 16 2007, 06:56 PM)
But does it prove they were able to get there 50 years ago, like you said?
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It's common sense, if we are able to do it now, there has to be a start. You must enjoy attacking people who have the same agreement with you. If you do believe they landed in the moon, whats the point of attacking statement.

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Good to have someone actually agreeing with me. I have a feeling noone agreed because they are patriots.

No one was really agreeing with you. Centreri just said russia didnt start attacking America.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2007-01-17 at 19:26:36
QUOTE(CheatEnabled @ Jan 17 2007, 02:03 PM)
Good to have someone actually agreeing with me. I have a feeling noone agreed because they are patriots.
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It's not because everybody are just patriots, it's because more evidence points towards America making it to the moon then.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by green_meklar on 2007-01-18 at 11:17:43
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Russia didn't start attacking the U.S. with their video because they had no proof of any type that the video was a fake. They didn't know that there was no wind on the moon.

??? What the hell are you talking about? At the time of the manned missions, everybody knew the Moon had no atmosphere. No one needs to land anything for that, we can see that from Earth with telescopes very easily. The russians (along with everyone else) were already well aware that there was no wind on the Moon.
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I have a feeling noone agreed because they are patriots.

I'm anything but a patriot. Besides, I'm not even american. I'm disagreeing with you because your argument just plain doesn't hold up.
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It's common sense, if we are able to do it now, there has to be a start.

The Wright brothers were able to fly an airplane in 1903, so there had to be a start, someone had to do it before them. The americans built a nuclear bomb in 1945, so there had to be a start, someone had to do it before them. I made this post in 2007, so there had to be a start, someone had to do it before me.

Translation: W. T. F.

The idea is that the Wright Brothers were the start for airplane flight, the americans were the start for nuclear bombs, etc, and that these next Moon missions will be the start for people landing on the Moon. The fact that we're planning to do it now does very little in itself to prove we did it or even could have done it 50 years ago. There is no mystical law stating that everything that has been done had to have been done 50 years before too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2007-01-18 at 17:01:52
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??? What the hell are you talking about? At the time of the manned missions, everybody knew the Moon had no atmosphere. No one needs to land anything for that, we can see that from Earth with telescopes very easily. The russians (along with everyone else) were already well aware that there was no wind on the Moon.

Really? Then either everyone in the world was stupid or the video with the wind is a fake but there was a real one before.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by green_meklar on 2007-01-18 at 22:27:30
I'm not sure what you mean here. Most people also know that the flag did not actually wave in any kind of wind; all its waving was due to the momentum applied to it by the astronauts placing it and fiddling with it to get it unfolded and set up right. Soon after it was set up it expended its extra momentum through the flagpole to the ground, stopped moving, and stayed that way. The russians would have been well aware of this too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2007-01-20 at 16:50:48
QUOTE(green_meklar @ Jan 18 2007, 11:17 AM)
??? What the hell are you talking about? At the time of the manned missions, everybody knew the Moon had no atmosphere. No one needs to land anything for that, we can see that from Earth with telescopes very easily. The russians (along with everyone else) were already well aware that there was no wind on the Moon.

I'm anything but a patriot. Besides, I'm not even american. I'm disagreeing with you because your argument just plain doesn't hold up.

The Wright brothers were able to fly an airplane in 1903, so there had to be a start, someone had to do it before them. The americans built a nuclear bomb in 1945, so there had to be a start, someone had to do it before them. I made this post in 2007, so there had to be a start, someone had to do it before me.

Translation: W. T. F.

The idea is that the Wright Brothers were the start for airplane flight, the americans were the start for nuclear bombs, etc, and that these next Moon missions will be the start for people landing on the Moon. The fact that we're planning to do it now does very little in itself to prove we did it or even could have done it 50 years ago. There is no mystical law stating that everything that has been done had to have been done 50 years before too.
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You're just going off topic. What I was typing, which was very hard for you to understand was, The Landing on the Moon was a foundation of us being on the moon right now. If they havent landed on the moon back then, we wouldnt be able to right now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2007-01-20 at 17:33:42
A while ago, national geographic aired on television the moon landing conspiracies, and they debunked every one of them. They covered pretty much every well-known argument against the moonlanding. Now I can't remember what some of them were, but I do remember them clearly talking about the wind and the flag issue.
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