Okay here is my explanation of Communism:
Many People dont like Communism but the truth is that during the times of the Russian Revolution the Tsars were Cruel and well did alot of things the people didnt like. After the Russian Revolution, sure Stalin took over but w/o him and that Tverstosky dude he wouldnt have got the hearts of the Soldiers and Citizens which woulda drove them into Victory and saving Europe from Genocide.
What about the Cold War?:
The Cold war was a bunch of Civil war and a tense moment between USA and USSR but well alot of Countries wanted Communism to help them, but whoever tried to do this, USA interfered (Vietnam and Korea are Examples) Vietnam was started by a US Operation in the Gulf of Tonkin and they was attack NVA's Outposts, the NVA had to respond to this, and they tried to move the battleship off of the Gulf of Tonkin, which started the Vietnam War (we say it was started by the killing of US guys in the Base but hey, Gulf of Tonkin was more of a Reason) Eventually after the war, The US has left tons of mines all over Vietnam and over 400,000 innocent Vietnamese Civilians had died from that, over 50,000 NVA troops died during the War, USA : around 50,000, the South Vietnam : ALOT LESS THAN 50,000, so then South Vietnam didnt do alot of fighting, but USA did the fighting for them, and US troops had done bad things to the Vietnamese Citizens.
Another thing in the Cold War is the Dictators USA hired, it made Democracy?, Pfffft it made Dictators in many countries, Fidel Castro has made a popularity w/ Cuba's people (unlike the previous dictator) and well USA tried to stop Fidel, who would do such a thing???
Post cold war:
USSR made Terrorism almost impossible in its countries, and it prevented anything that could overpower a person, Money, Religon, and Renown (Many other things too but I cant name em all) and well after it's fall there was terrorists named after Money, Religon and Renown fighting all over the world, causing crimes. Terrorists in Russia killing innocent School Children, Terrorists sneaking things into the US to use them against the US, and other places.
Misc:
The Medicine Company in the US has made over 25% of the Government incomes but someone has found cures for alot of diseases, but the US has made him....quiet, because if he releases these cures, USA will go into another Depression, Money before the People dieing?, USSR woulda been smarter than that.
One Reason why the USSR fell is that it got scared of USA's secret Integrated Defense plan (Sattilites in air vs nukes) and well, now USA is getting scared of Korea from it's nukes, well, if they had a integrated defense, why would they be soo scared?
Seeing as I'm about to give a 4-minute speech on Communism for a competition this weekend, I'll summarize what it says: Communism is a lovely ideal, but it cannot work in a community of much more than ten thousand people because it predicates itself on the belief that (a) all members of a Communist society know what to do in order to benefit every other member, and (b) they will do it even if it isn't exactly in their own best interest. To manage a community of greater than ten thousand inhabitants requires a structured government to successfully monitor the economy and needs of the community, and the existence of such a government goes against the principles of true Communism.
Communism is a great idea, but, as country after country has shown, it cannot work on a large scale.
China has a light form of Communism and I think it, combined with Chineese mentality (because you can apply communism only to people with certain mentality, I think) makes China grow very fast.
The other thing is that any government system will require a change sooner or later. Some require it sooner, some later...
China is far enough away from true Communism (which is pretty far) that it can function as a country.
I think once you have a StarBucks in your country, you lose the right to call yourself Communist. Infact, as soon as you have social classes you aren't Communist.
Socialism > Communism
As DTBK stated, communism is doomed in larger societies. It would work in smaller communities though, but only if everyone know what to do. The reason the USSR didn't work, was because the communistic leaders, Stalin and Lenin, used men as machines, and thought that one man was useless, while a million men could make a huge army. They failed to see that every man is important. They also failed to see the risks of having the state owning everything, especially Stalin was bad at this.
Communism today is almost non-existent, much because of the US (and by the US, I mean Bush) interfering and meddling into other countries politics. (I know I sound a bit US enemish here, but the only problem I got with the US, is McDonald's, CO2 quotients and Bush.) I think the US would do good with four years of communism, to change their political state of mind. Good Bush is soon gone.
Sincerely, CheatEnabled
I think the Communism would work in smaller societies, as said before, but I'd hate to have to live in a communistic country. Communism stops people from being better then others; what's the point of trying your best, when it gets you the same result as trying just enough?
I agree with Centreri it does work well in small communites but does not work well in larger countries like russia. the only people that really benifit from it is the poor people. and know one can ever be complety equal at all, there will always be some sort of unequality. unless you can control what people think and do.
whats wrong with communism. It helped shape and develop many countries like Russia in 1918 and the Cuban republic.
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whats wrong with communism. It helped shape and develop many countries like Russia in 1918 and the Cuban republic.
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Neither of the above have been extremely successful nor wholly Communist.
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what's the point of trying your best, when it gets you the same result as trying just enough?
Because you feel compelled to help the community and society that you are a part of. It's called civic virtue, and Communism predicates itself on the fact that everyone will feel civic virtue.QUOTE
Communism is a great idea, but, as country after country has shown, it cannot work on a large scale.
That's pretty much correct. Basically, communism is the system where income tax is equal to 100%. Since in a sufficiently large society higher income tax results in more of an incentive not to work, communism on a large scale gives people a very strong incentive not to work. This is why income taxes are detrimental, and why communism fails.
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The other thing is that any government system will require a change sooner or later.
But of course that is irrelevant because communism is an economic system.
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what's the point of trying your best, when it gets you the same result as trying just enough?
Or, for that matter, not even trying enough? Or the most extreme case, not trying at all?
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whats wrong with communism.
DT_Battlekruser gave some pretty good reasons why communism is detrimental. I suggest you read over what he said.
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It's called civic virtue, and Communism predicates itself on the fact that everyone will feel civic virtue.
Or at least sufficiently many people. Of course, as history has shown, the number of people who feel civic virtue is almost always quite a bit less than sufficient.
Whatever sufficient is, Communism predicates itself by assuming that the number of people who lack civic virtue and therefore cheat the honor system will not be so many as to utterly break the system. This, combined with the impossibility of cohesion in a society of even ten thousand with no bureaucratic government, are the two biggest failing points of Communism.
hmm u guys make total sense but still, it stops corruption in the Capitolist Systems
and Also Communism did help out USSR and Cuba, but USSR was kinda cruel but wasnt Cuba doing fine?
PS: China isnt completely Communist, Free Store System = #1 Problem
Communism doesn't work. It's never "equal" as they try to make it. Otherwise the government wouldn't automatically be better than everybody else.
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Communism predicates itself by assuming that the number of people who lack civic virtue and therefore cheat the honor system will not be so many as to utterly break the system
The reason communism fails is because there has never been a successful program to implement a change in this way of thinking. Everyone in a capitalist society has been raised with the idea that you shouldn't trust other people with your money, because everyone is only looking out for themselves.
If communism were to truly work, it would have to be raised from the ground up, teaching the ideals to children without the influence of the mind of a capitalist pigdog.
green_meklar: Control, economics, and ideas form the government system.
Rantent: raising children as "true communists" won't help. Key word: greed. First get rid of it, then try to establish Communism.
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USSR was kinda cruel but wasnt Cuba doing fine?
I haven't heard that Cuba was ever doing particularly well in economic terms.
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green_meklar: Control, economics, and ideas form the government system.
Uh...not really. Political systems are ways of choosing who forms the government. Economic systems are ways of allocating wealth within society. For the most part they are almost completely independent of each other (the only other case is that of an anarchist political system, which has a very hard time existing along with some economic systems such as communism).
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I haven't heard that Cuba was ever doing particularly well in economic terms.
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they aint a third world country either
Communism isn't an economic system: it has it's ideas that are used to unite the society. Economic systems are pure mathematics, while communism plays with human emotions as well. Of course I don't deny that it doesen't have an economic system, but it's just a part of communism.
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Communism isn't an economic system: it has it's ideas that are used to unite the society.
It may tend to go with certain other systems, sure, but at the most basic level it's still an economic system only.
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One Reason why the USSR fell is that it got scared of USA's secret Integrated Defense plan (Sattilites in air vs nukes) and well, now USA is getting scared of Korea from it's nukes, well, if they had a integrated defense, why would they be soo scared?
I don't think the USSR fell because it was scared. Much of the reason that the USSR failed was because they did not pay enough attention to the people no matter how much communism preaches to help the average worker or a member of the proletariat(lowest class). A big reason the USSR failed was because the United States had big weapons programs and the USSR could not keep up with us, and so they taxed the people too much to keep up went into poverty then the people rebelled.
China is actually pretty strict in their ways of communism except for in one major aspect. They allowed themselves to have a free market, and not have everything government run. You look at North Korea, Vietnam, and sometimes Cuba they all are on the poor side and they are all communist. Communists do not want to trade with capitalists because it helps fund capitalists, and capitalists are evil because they take the fruit of the labor from the proletariat. So thus Communist countries made shure there economy's are strict to prevent capitalism, and they cut off trade with most countries. China was smart and saw how these countries are getting poorer because they cant afford everything because they don't allow trade and free market, and changed to a free market.
Cuba has not been doing well since the fall of the USSR because they received tons of funding and aid from the USSR, and when it fell they went into a huge recession. Unlike China Cuba's economy is still very strict, and is only now allowing lots of trading and tourism. Cuba's workers are mostly poor farmers the same with North Korea, but Cuba has a close lid on their country. People love him because they are all they have ever known for a leader, and those who oppose him a lot tend to have accidents he has been leading his country since the 1950's and the people still love him.
Communism may seem like it is awesome to the lower class because it ends the fact that they are in classes, and instead of being poor maybe there will be less rich people and the poorer will have more. Communism and Socialism both work towards the average worker, and very few people are unemployed in Cuba and the other communist countries.
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I don't think the USSR fell because it was scared. Much of the reason that the USSR failed was because they did not pay enough attention to the people no matter how much communism preaches to help the average worker or a member of the proletariat(lowest class). A big reason the USSR failed was because the United States had big weapons programs and the USSR could not keep up with us, and so they taxed the people too much to keep up went into poverty then the people rebelled.
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The USSR fell because its economy collapsed.
I shoulda explained more. Yes the economy collapsed, but yet a lot of the money went to places it shouldnt because of corruption, and weapons making. I also stated it was a big reason not the only reason. Its hard to run a economy with communism because trading, and business are not very agreeable with it.