Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2007-01-26 at 15:35:12
Map Specs:
Tileset: Jungle
Size: 128x128
Players: 4
Image:
(Note mid change done before Yenku posted =/)
Being that my last few maps werent overly bad but had alot of notice-able bugs which i found hard to fix, i looked over some pro maps, re read the guide a few more times, and tried to be confident that i could do better. I believe i reached that goal. I consider myself by no means good at melee mapping as of yet, but from this recent map i can see that i have improved.
If there are any bugs other than mineral placement let me know. If its the fact that i used too many bridges, making easy chokes, im sorry but this is a 128x128 so ill need some specific help on the image directly on how to go about fixing it as ive been trying for the past half hour with no ideas on how to do this.
Tileset: Jungle
Size: 128x128
Players: 4
Image:
(Note mid change done before Yenku posted =/)
Being that my last few maps werent overly bad but had alot of notice-able bugs which i found hard to fix, i looked over some pro maps, re read the guide a few more times, and tried to be confident that i could do better. I believe i reached that goal. I consider myself by no means good at melee mapping as of yet, but from this recent map i can see that i have improved.
If there are any bugs other than mineral placement let me know. If its the fact that i used too many bridges, making easy chokes, im sorry but this is a 128x128 so ill need some specific help on the image directly on how to go about fixing it as ive been trying for the past half hour with no ideas on how to do this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2007-01-26 at 16:21:27
128x128, youre already on the right track!
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Open up areas circled with brown, remember outside the main bases and and the middle of the maps should be open.
Always put gas naturals outside the main base.
Put main minerals against wall inside main.
Make the main base blockable with barracks and supply depot or even just a barracks. (may have to replace bridge with terrain)
Other then that, the map looks MUCH better without so many squares and lines. With the suggested changes, it is very playable. Good work.
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Open up areas circled with brown, remember outside the main bases and and the middle of the maps should be open.
Always put gas naturals outside the main base.
Put main minerals against wall inside main.
Make the main base blockable with barracks and supply depot or even just a barracks. (may have to replace bridge with terrain)
Other then that, the map looks MUCH better without so many squares and lines. With the suggested changes, it is very playable. Good work.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheatEnabled on 2007-01-26 at 16:31:03
I just have 1 thing to say, and that's that this map looks a tiny bit unfriendy for protoss. No flanking space at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2007-01-26 at 16:52:45
I thank you both. I did a total re-design of the middle and ill be fixing the nat/main minerals shortly, image update soon.
ADDITION:
Updated, Yenku i did that to the mid before you posted, let me know of any new problems.
ADDITION:
Updated, Yenku i did that to the mid before you posted, let me know of any new problems.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2007-01-26 at 17:03:52
Hmm, you are missing one important issue. I'll explain.
When a natural expansion (first expansion) is inside the choke point, a terran player can easily block thier entrance, take the gas expansion, and turtle the entire game (slowly attacking with drops and stealing other main bases). This is extremely unfair to protoss and zerg.
My best suggestion to fix that, is to make sure that a SHORT bridge (so tanks can't protect the main as easily) or make a small landbridge. Make sure it is blockable with a barracks and a depot.
When a natural expansion (first expansion) is inside the choke point, a terran player can easily block thier entrance, take the gas expansion, and turtle the entire game (slowly attacking with drops and stealing other main bases). This is extremely unfair to protoss and zerg.
My best suggestion to fix that, is to make sure that a SHORT bridge (so tanks can't protect the main as easily) or make a small landbridge. Make sure it is blockable with a barracks and a depot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2007-01-26 at 17:05:47
So would i shorten the now long bridges or divide the current main/nat with a small bridge?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2007-01-26 at 17:08:35
The second one, and probably take out the long bridge after the nat.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2007-01-26 at 17:12:59
Done. Anything else?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2007-01-26 at 17:24:41
Sheesh. I don't know if you're gonna laugh, or hit yourself.
Terran can still turtle, they can block the second bridge. Its okay though, just open it up with dirt or make a really wide bridge. You could even just make another landbridge to the expos towards the middle. Tell me if I'm not clear enough, I can show you on the image.
Terran can still turtle, they can block the second bridge. Its okay though, just open it up with dirt or make a really wide bridge. You could even just make another landbridge to the expos towards the middle. Tell me if I'm not clear enough, I can show you on the image.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2007-01-26 at 17:57:54
I got it. Im going to use my extended talents here. 
ADDITION:
Updated, i went a little extended crazy.
ADDITION:
Updated, i went a little extended crazy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Superiorwolf on 2007-01-26 at 18:25:19
That looks really good but I'm not that good of a criticist since I don't have much experience my self... my only words are keep up the good work!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2007-01-26 at 18:29:58
Lmao, terrain looks good, but you keep editing too many things, now players cant block thier main!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2007-01-27 at 09:52:08
QUOTE(Yenku @ Jan 26 2007, 06:29 PM)
Lmao, terrain looks good, but you keep editing too many things, now players cant block thier main!
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Actually, im working on thinning the bridge tile area in order to provide buildable land for blockage. Need to find blends.
ADDITION:
All right all done. Changes:
Narrows main/nat, fixed it to be buildable and blockable.
Cosmetic changes at various parts of the map
Double checked for drop zones that could be a problem
Doodaded
This is the final, i hope its all well and good.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Killer_Kow(MM) on 2007-01-27 at 09:56:59
Just a tiny little error:
Red's main minerals are the only ones on the outside of the map (if you know what I mean by that) and there's a little space in behind each main that could possibly have tanks dropped on them. Maybe just shift red's minerals in a bit is all.
Red's main minerals are the only ones on the outside of the map (if you know what I mean by that) and there's a little space in behind each main that could possibly have tanks dropped on them. Maybe just shift red's minerals in a bit is all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2007-01-27 at 10:25:09
QUOTE(Killer_Kow(MM) @ Jan 27 2007, 09:56 AM)
Just a tiny little error:
Red's main minerals are the only ones on the outside of the map (if you know what I mean by that) and there's a little space in behind each main that could possibly have tanks dropped on them. Maybe just shift red's minerals in a bit is all.
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Red's main minerals are the only ones on the outside of the map (if you know what I mean by that) and there's a little space in behind each main that could possibly have tanks dropped on them. Maybe just shift red's minerals in a bit is all.
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Damn it KK stop noticing trivial errors.
Thanks KK, im too lazy to update the image right now but ill fix the map.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2007-01-27 at 11:41:48
Remove a lot of those doodads, they're making it really hard for Protoss, or indeed any large army to get around. Replace them with walkable doodads (there's a tonne of variations for grass on dirt). Try not to just make squares of grass, they looks really ugly =S For heavens sake, you only have to make grass for a fourth of the map =P Here's a tip for it though. Lay some grass on the ground. Now cut away at it with dirt and make it has natural looking as you can.
Otherwise this map is looking good. Major improvments over your last maps.
Otherwise this map is looking good. Major improvments over your last maps.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2007-01-28 at 09:12:52
Ah! Excalibur! You added too many big, unneccesary doodads, they kinda cramp things and restrict building areas.
Also, the main doesn't look blockable, rememer it needs to be blocked by either 1 barracks and a depot or just a barracks(especially since it is flat terrain).
Take a look at azalea, it shows you a good way to make the main blockable.
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?act=Atta...e=post&id=21693
Also, the main doesn't look blockable, rememer it needs to be blocked by either 1 barracks and a depot or just a barracks(especially since it is flat terrain).
Take a look at azalea, it shows you a good way to make the main blockable.
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?act=Atta...e=post&id=21693