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Put away your feelings about the United States of America, and tell us what you seriously think about this situation.

The question can be took as many ways, take it the way you want.

**The following is refering to certain individuals in the government and media. The american people are totally innocent.**


I think the whole American system is flawed. Their idea of a perfect world is a white world.

Bush is an idiot who rigged the florda election and its a greedy bastard. On Sept 11 he did not thank canada for housing people from within Canada.

The American system is mostly driven by Fear, hate, and violence.

I haven't met many americans that are accually nice. All the americans at these forums are people I like. But I've had my share.

I don't know why Canada stays behind USA. The way they make it, its like:


UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and canada.

Just my opinion.

Yoshi is completely mistaken. And that poll doesn't have my views on the USA.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I love this country. I dislike it, a lot. And for many valid reasons. I just don't think other people should talk because every country has their good sides and their downsides. No one country is more superior than the next.

You know what Chu? I feared you may come here and and knew what you were gonna tell... I made the poll 2 ways, to PREVENT people like you from saying such things. Otherwise I would have just put a "no thought" option and it would probably have been:

Chaos: 1
Good: 1
No thoughts: 8712

Roger?


I personally think like Mike; they are putting their nose everywhere and they shouldn't. This will eventualy lead them to chaos, obviously, since so many countries hate the USAs....

Unfortunatly, alot of countries "depend" on the US cuz they trade alot of things and it's a worldwide place for market... That's what pisses me off, their economical power...

I also hate Bush... Hes just so PROUD, in itself. "We, as american, believe in freedom and peace! We must defend against all evil!"... Yeah sure, #### off, will you? He's literally speaking as he would rule earth.... Argh!


Oppinions?

One of the quotes in that movie in my topic:



I'm not even neutral?

Refering to Osama, he's right. Refering to Sadam, there are too many factors to get a true/false answer.

Shadow, did my post say I had no thoughts? I expressed my views on the US, in my post.

What you provide in the poll is a negative/positive(sarcasm) answer. Its loss/loss situation for the US. And this sickens me how people can just say things like that ignoring all the good things about the US, and everything the US has actually done for this world.

I love the country for what its done, I hate it for the lies it represents.

People call Bush a moron, call him stupid, and make fun of him daily. But do they know him personally? Have they seen the debates between him and others? No, they've only seen him through the evil eye of the media. And if you only go by appearence, then hell yes he looks like a moron. Thats what everyone is doing. Judging everything right now by appearence and not by what it is.

The main thing im trying to get at, is to keep an open mind to these things. Don't jump to assumptions because of what the media displays, and what your friends say. A closed mind is the worst thing that can happen to this world, and it happens daily.

And finally, you call it "compulsive pride". What you don't realize is that everyone everywhere are raised to believe their country is the best. Its called patriotism, and it didn't start in the US. Its been around for thousands of years. It has caused wars. And furthermore, it's the breeding ground for discrimination and hate. I wouldn't doubt at all that your "pride" is what makes you feel this way toward other countries.

I could go on for pages about how Canada is, in some ways, worse than the US. But i'm not going to because I feel that the US may be superior to Canada in some ways, but Canada is definately superior to the US in others. And you cannot say one country is better or worse than others unless you take a look at all the good things and bad things about those countries.

I agree with Chu.. I mean without the United States, we wouldn't have a democratic government, freedom of speech, freedom of whatever.. We'd all probably be under a dictatorship if it weren't for the United States..

I for one enjoy the freedom I have.. and although the United States does intervene with other countries problems, they do aid the countries afterwards.. (I.E The Berlin Airlift, Nationalist China, Iraq, etc...) and even if it does have flaws.. people do get some good benefit from it..

Well, no matter if we hate or love the USA, there are objective cons and pros in the system. And we do owe a few major ones to the country. Firstly, MAJOR investments into western european countries (after the WWII: France, Germany), eastern europe (including Poland, Russia), far east (China) and many others. Without those billions of dollars from the USA, all of those countries could've been in an economic state similar to iraq's right now.

But of course, I disapprove of the "USA uber alles" moods.

Just next time you stick a poster stating "I hate USA" on the wall of your home, think on who's money the paper and the glue was made...

Usa will eventually become the only superpower in the would unless another country does something dirastic first.

Another issue is "Americanization". It is said that if you live in their country, it doesn't matter on race, regilion or beliefs, you are american.

'tis true?

EDIT: Changed the poll for 'ya Chu.

What you don't get is just that the US DID do alot of good things, I didn't deny it, but I was pointing the bad things they did too. Bush die tomorrow, USA get attacked from everywhere and they literally crash in all domains?? (military, economics, etc...) The world is gone. Don't you think I already know this? They are also the ones that also want to go into war, and you must agree, their reasons are based on "the world's safety", cuz "we are the best" and reasons like this one. And i'm also sure no one wants to go into war for so little reasons. Try to guess why, by a mysterious hasard, there are oil pits in Irak, and why Bush absolutly want to "control" Irak, in an indirect way.


Hum... Sure... Very great thing to tell all the world hes a moron, live! I don't really think hes much different in "real life". Not cuz hes hes the USA president changes a thing... Nothing else to say, everyone thinks hes a moron anyway.


DUH! Read UP! Compulsive patriotism! Did they ever VOTE to have a war? Did he ever "cared" to tell alll americans they had to go to war? 99%, no, they woulnd't want war. They are taking decisions based on the country, on their damn lil closed world, and not FOR the people. I am a Quebec patriot, but I wouldn't go as FAR as killing myself or saying things like "If you are not with Quebec, you are VS US!"... THATS compulsive pride.


USAs wouldn't even exist if that was an option, so stop making hypothesis that would just destroy the country. Was all a matter of who took all the ressources in the first place, 200 years ago (or so).


No need for paper, people do that orally and in their own minds.


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I think its funny that we're spending $200,000,000 to write a Constitution for Iraq. Why don't we just give them ours, we seem to have stopped using it...

And thats exactly why I want you to just shut up. Because you are ONLY addressing the bad things, and you are ONLY ranting about now. You don't even care if the good things we've done HIGHLY out weight the bad things.



I don't think you payed much attention to the reasons. Bush believes Iraq is a threat. Bush believes if we leave them alone, that they will only get more time and more power. And there the rumor that Sadam is building weapons of mass destruction (or as we commonly know it - A NUKE!). Whats the next logical step from here? Find out if he is, and stop him if he is. Since he wouldn't let us in to inspect, than Bush had no other choice but to force his way in. (its like a 6 year old who just ate a candy their parents told them not to - the 6 year old won't admit to it unless the parent catches them doing it)



No, he doesn't. And from the world's standpoint, Iraq was virtually monopolizing the gas flow. With new changes comming, expect prices to go down for everyone.



Do you know him in "real life"? Thats what I thought.





Maybe in Canada, but DEFINATELY NOT the US. People were demanding that Bush take action against Iraq. People were asking for this. From the beginning, without a doubt majority wanted to go to war. But as the war ended, and nothing was found, people starting becoming hypocritical and going against it.



I don't know where you've been these past 300 years, but thats what democracy is all about. Electing certain people to make decisions about the nation in our favor. We voted them into office, and they do their job.



USA wouldn't exist if they weren't treated so poorly by England. They were practically slaves in their own country before they broke free.



I still wouldn't vote on that, Yoshi. Especially not since the poll was set to go one way.



Wtf?

WTF?? GO AWAY MAN! Make your own damn thread! This is about America being too possessive, IT IS ABOUT the bad things in the first place! If you can't just admit they do bad things and that some were errors, just make a "We all luv USA!" thread! Then we will argue on how good were the USAs!


HIGHLY? Prove it. Prove it, Chu. They may have done alot of good thing but I do not believe they highly kills the bad parts.


I seriously do not recall him letting the ONU (sorry, may be wrong translation french--english) do their jobs in the first place! They asked for X months, to find out about it, and all Bush wanted is to actually attack Irak when they do not EVEN possess any REAL proves Saddam did that attack on sept. 11! The ONU is supposed to be a peace organization, and Bush didn't give a fck about their investigation.


Like if the US would get prices down for "us". USA price, down, other countries, no fck about them.


Do YOU know him in real life to say he isn't a moron? That's what i thought.


Pwned


Their job is to listen to the people, and since this was about SOMEONE else, ANOTHER country, they should have listened to the ENTIRE WORLD.


G2gage to school...

Please people, show some respect. If this topic is designed to hurt, then it will be closed. We're talking about the war on terrorism, USA's actions etc., NOT neccessarily the bad things.

Where and when did I not admit the US does bad things? Exactly. Im saying that if you are going to list the bad things, you MUST list all the good things too. Because you can't judge a country based of ONE incident.



You want me to get out a history book and post PAGES of information? I don't think so. Why don't YOU take the time to educated yourself instead of being so damned ignorant and judging people and countrties off one thing.



True. But like I said, if we waited those X months then we perpetually gave Saddam enough time to build, and hide everything he needs to. Which means waiting X months totally removes the purpose of going into the country immediately! While the UN might be trying to prevent war, the US was trying to prevent what could be nuclear holocaust.



Since when was the US labled as "selfish"? I've never seen the US do anything "selfish". Why would they start here?



No I dont. And I WASN'T saying that he wasn't a moron. I was meerly saying that YOU DO NOT KNOW and YOU CANNOT CALL HIM THAT! Untill you meet him for yourself, you cannot judge him.



They were listening to the people, the people yelled "war". They did it. They had several nations supporting them too. So the world was listening to them! I don't know where you get off thinking everyone was against Bush before the war, it was only like that AFTER the war.



No offence, but learn something for a change.

I wasn't trying to make rules from the beginning, but with the way we're going, we will need it later.

GET ALONG PLEASE. We're all human beings here so lets act like it.