Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2003-12-09 at 20:25:46
What we really need and don't have in these forums is a "Map Making for Idiots"
We should compile all of our map making knowledge and make it available to people. I would really like to see some of the more experienced map builders list in easy steps the process of making a really good map. One person, who is really good at making RPGs, could post a "Idiot's Guide to Making RPG Starcraft maps".
Other people could post easy steps to Defenses, Melees, and whatever else. People could give helpful tips to making maps, but the bottom line is that we dont have all this knowledge in one place.
We should compile all of our map making knowledge and make it available to people. I would really like to see some of the more experienced map builders list in easy steps the process of making a really good map. One person, who is really good at making RPGs, could post a "Idiot's Guide to Making RPG Starcraft maps".
Other people could post easy steps to Defenses, Melees, and whatever else. People could give helpful tips to making maps, but the bottom line is that we dont have all this knowledge in one place.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2003-12-09 at 20:28:12
I can figure most out. Good point it isn't all in 1 place
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SpaceBoy2000 on 2003-12-09 at 20:31:18
Hmm, most of it is just scattered everywhere. The only thing we don't have is some sort of explaination of what is where and stuff for somebody who's never used StarEdit. Other than that, all the knowledge is easily collectible, since it's all over the place. No need to write new ones, just need to gether them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2003-12-09 at 20:35:02
Dude the whole site is about that, it's building informations on HOW to do such things. Just search the tutorial database, it's only purpose is that of helping people make maps!!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2003-12-09 at 20:41:42
What I am saying is that we should have:
-Sorts of terrain to be used
-Good terrain layout
-Triggers to be used
-Races for players and computers
-Details on the above
-Jargon that is used and can be translated
It should really say, in plain English, what needs to be done, excluding no details. It should be written as though the reader has never used a map making program before. And if there is such a creature on this site, I haven't found it. (Maybe I am just stupid, but hey, at least everyone now knows it)
-Sorts of terrain to be used
-Good terrain layout
-Triggers to be used
-Races for players and computers
-Details on the above
-Jargon that is used and can be translated
It should really say, in plain English, what needs to be done, excluding no details. It should be written as though the reader has never used a map making program before. And if there is such a creature on this site, I haven't found it. (Maybe I am just stupid, but hey, at least everyone now knows it)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2003-12-09 at 20:44:31
Actually, I am happy to tell you that this is called "creativity", and if you don't want to see 238465 copies of the same map over battle.net, this is a bad idea. Slyence have already written a guide on how to make melee maps. UMS maps are different, you need YOUR own idea, and I don't beleive anyone is stupid anought not to know how to place terrain.
I DO agree there should be a database scanning E-V-E-R-Y triggers existing in order to explain it to people, I don't quite see how you could make multiply guides out of that though...
I DO agree there should be a database scanning E-V-E-R-Y triggers existing in order to explain it to people, I don't quite see how you could make multiply guides out of that though...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dashrike on 2003-12-09 at 21:35:43
Somebody could make a big .txt or html file w/ all the necessary stuff. Sure the forums could suffice for more in-depth stuff, but I think a smaller, more general readme-type file would be a good idea.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2003-12-09 at 21:38:53
QUOTE(Shadow Paladin @ Dec 9 2003, 08:44 PM)
I DO agree there should be a database scanning E-V-E-R-Y triggers existing in order to explain it to people
I'll work on that, Yoshi style
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2003-12-09 at 22:14:25
Moose's Guide to Making a Really Good Map
1. Get a really good, original idea.
2. Put the idea into map form.
:wha:
1. Get a really good, original idea.
2. Put the idea into map form.
:wha:
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Orc on 2003-12-09 at 22:54:54
I'm good at RPG maps <_< ,storyline, terrain STYLE not placing 
, naming units, creative areas, I know just about every trigger to be needed for an RPG ,and ways to leave off your RPG for a sequel in some cases ...Am I useful? <_<
, naming units, creative areas, I know just about every trigger to be needed for an RPG ,and ways to leave off your RPG for a sequel in some cases ...Am I useful? <_<Report, edit, etc...Posted by dashrike on 2003-12-15 at 13:43:38
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Dec 9 2003, 10:14 PM)
Moose's Guide to Making a Really Good Map
1. Get a really good, original idea.
2. Put the idea into map form.
1. Get a really good, original idea.
2. Put the idea into map form.
You forgot the triggers...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .Coko[CK] on 2003-12-15 at 15:14:23
Cokos Guide to Making a Really Good UMS Map
1. Think of idea
2. Make Map
3. Change Trigger Slightly
4. Beta Test it ONLINE
5. Release it to public and wait for the flames!
1. Think of idea
2. Make Map
3. Change Trigger Slightly
4. Beta Test it ONLINE
5. Release it to public and wait for the flames!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2003-12-15 at 15:17:32
Steps Chu takes to make a map.
1. Get struck by completely original and kickass idea.
2. Start on terrain.
3. Either finish terrain, or stop working on map.
4. If finished terrain, start placing units.
5. Either finish placing buildings, or stop working on map.
6. If finished placing buildings, start on triggers.
7. Etc.
Yeah, I don't finish very many maps.
1. Get struck by completely original and kickass idea.
2. Start on terrain.
3. Either finish terrain, or stop working on map.
4. If finished terrain, start placing units.
5. Either finish placing buildings, or stop working on map.
6. If finished placing buildings, start on triggers.
7. Etc.
Yeah, I don't finish very many maps.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dashrike on 2003-12-15 at 15:25:14
QUOTE(Chu @ Dec 15 2003, 03:17 PM)
Yeah, I don't finish very many maps.
Yeah me either. Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2003-12-15 at 15:56:21
QUOTE
Actually, I am happy to tell you that this is called "creativity", and if you don't want to see 238465 copies of the same map over battle.net, this is a bad idea. Slyence have already written a guide on how to make melee maps. UMS maps are different, you need YOUR own idea, and I don't beleive anyone is stupid anought not to know how to place terrain.
I DO agree there should be a database scanning E-V-E-R-Y triggers existing in order to explain it to people, I don't quite see how you could make multiply guides out of that though...
I DO agree there should be a database scanning E-V-E-R-Y triggers existing in order to explain it to people, I don't quite see how you could make multiply guides out of that though...
Guys Shadow Paladin is right. I mean no one is gonna look at each and every tuturial probably like 3 and thats all. There is already a guide to making maps and Prima already published the book 6 years ago. I don't think most people really care about Starcraft anymore. Well maybe some.
If this created guide is actually viewed by people and they gave high ratings, we may have something here.
Well if it works...
[HIDE]The guide should be as human as possible. Some people just go all out with this mathematics and it really gets on my nerves to try and understand it. For example :
The hp will equal if a unit attacks:
Enemy HP=Unit'sAttack+Weapon Upgrades+Any special weapon attacks(explosion 50% on light, 75% on medium, 100% on high. Concussive 50% on high, 75% on medium, 100% on light.)- Armor of Enemy, - Shields and Shield upgrades. (Shield upgrades multiplied by shield = Shield minus amount)[/HIDE]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dashrike on 2003-12-15 at 16:05:32
I think that would be a good idea too, just kinda hard to make. In order to make something that everybody universally finds easy to understand etc would be quite difficult to do.
I think we could do it.
I think we could do it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FizzleBoink on 2003-12-16 at 04:08:03
It would be have to be composed of high calibur explanations to earn high ratings and whatnot... But if we do pull this off, with shared ideas and thoughts, we can MAKE A UBER GUIDE.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tazzy on 2003-12-16 at 13:16:12
Tazzy's way:
1.Get idea, No matter what idea if it can become a map its OOOKKKK for me
2.Draw terrian designs on paper
3.Once design i like is drawn on paper.Open Staredit
4.Make the terrian layout in Staredit.
5.Get bored
6.Next day, carry on with map, Units placing,Building placing.
7.Do triggering about 30 mins of triggering, Get bored, Go out woth Friends
8.Next day carry on map.
9.Once ONCE if i complete it. Show the world.
Not the best way of making maps. But hay. im a sad man
1.Get idea, No matter what idea if it can become a map its OOOKKKK for me
2.Draw terrian designs on paper
3.Once design i like is drawn on paper.Open Staredit
4.Make the terrian layout in Staredit.
5.Get bored
6.Next day, carry on with map, Units placing,Building placing.
7.Do triggering about 30 mins of triggering, Get bored, Go out woth Friends
8.Next day carry on map.
9.Once ONCE if i complete it. Show the world.
Not the best way of making maps. But hay. im a sad man