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TO bad a death penalty was hanging the guy up in a dark and wet rusty room, cut a part of his body and shove a pack of salt on it, repeat every day until he only has his torso and head, then just chuck him in a garbage. now thats a death penalty.

That's totally barbaric (death penalty in general). What are we, uncivilised monsters?

Sure, the person who committed a capital crime is a monster, but does that justify their execution?

I know that many of you here seem to be Christians, and that America as a whole is a religious country, so I'll give the following argument to appeal to these god-fearing folk: Does it not say in the New Testament that the 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth' commandment is invalid? I believe that Jesus said something to the effect of 'If someone strikes you on the face, you should turn the other cheek.'

Also, abolishing the death penalty is a sign of social progression.

I'm against the death penalty. Life enclosurement with no parole it's way best. That's why I sometimes foind amusing the "233 years (only an example number) in jail for it's crimes" thing.
It gives the criminal all it's life to repent. While that he could be turned into a productive fella to society by making things as they do in U.S. jails (making the convicts work).



Just not to mention open mindedness.
Edit add: Oh wait... Now, I've realized why Texas still has it. *Flame bait. Do not slip in it n' derrail*

i'm against it, but what i'm really against is giving federal penitenturies my tax money so that inmates can have cable.

it'd be best if they had jobs, even if their really menial.

I think that the death penality is completely unfair if the person does it twice. The first time they should only serve jail time, but if they do it again, it must be the concequence. The first time in jail may let the person figure out that they need to fix their life. If they do it again then they are just stupid and need to be put to death.

unfortunately some people never learn. why release them in the first place?

You can't judge books by their cover.

Edit add: Nvm, I guess your spiritual enlightenment can prove me wrong. Unfortunetly, I'm beginging to learn somethin' in here... *Sighs*

I'm pretty sure keeping criminals healthy in jail is paid through taxes, so the death penalty could have it's benefits, but then again, I agree with CaptainWill.
I can't remember where I heard this but it is pretty fitting. It's about a utopian society "... and justice is used to end crime rather than eliminate the criminal." That would be the best method but getting it to work is the hardest part.

I like the idea of allowing inmates to work. However, we could give them two options. We could simply give them the basics of food, water, clothing, shelter, and protection, or they could work producing things, and this would allow them commodities such as a television, books, etc. in exchange for their services. Wouldn't that be the ideal setting for low-level convicts?

For high-level convicts, simply the basics. Abolish the death penalty, and keep their life tolerable, but in no way enjoyable.

Make our prisons productive!

well, your right. and i would be for shorter prison sentances if people learned-its just that sometimes people get in the same circles they were in before, and end up commiting the same crimes.

i mean, a high school kid who gets arrested for alcohol possesion will more than likely keep drinking alcohol and breaking the law.

some people get into gangs and are repeat offenders in a number of crimes-its people like that that i'm refering to.

who said my spiritual enlightenment is proving you wrong?



I'm going to say that cops (and soldiers) are more important that other people, because they lay thier lives on the line for our country, and should recieve our respect and honor for doing so. how many janitors or hobos die to keep you, me, for that matter, anyone in this country, safe?

How about harsher penalties for re-offenders? You placed the ultimate solution (death, for you) way before any other options. That's why I picked it in the 1st time.



And that affects you in? If the law of no selling alcohol to minors was inforced it wouldn't come to that.
I drink alcohol and don't break the law. Who would've guessed? (And will most likely repeat the act when I want to.) Again, you presume to much. *Grins face*



They're prob'ly charmed into it 'cause it's cool, etc. etc. and find it hard to get out of it in a peaceful manner with other gang members. Many times it happens because those folks don't have many support from friends, relatives or similars for starters.
You generalize way too fast for my taste. Give'em a chance to get out of that loop, if you don't want to see it repeated.



My 1st assumption that went wrong in here, I suppose. *Yikes* Hope it doesn't become a trend.

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Agreed, except for the "more inportant" part. Different job descriptions (more dangerous perhaps) may be, but not better than anyone else as you implied.

I read a short story in my english book at school call The Bet and it was about death penalty vs life in prison and it had some very interesting views such as how life in prison could be worse than death. The character in the story basically makes a bet with another person saying he will spend whatever amount of years it is in jail and if he does then the other person has to give him like a million dollars. So then during the whole time the guy starts reading and reading and learning lots of things but becomes insane in his messed up world in his mind and becomes really cynical and pessimistic

Well, the dealth penalty is really bad because what happends if you have the wrong person...

I think that it is wrong unless the court is 100% sure that that person did it. If that person is innocent, than it is practically murdering them. I think that the death penalty should only be allowed if there is absolute proof, like a recording of the murder or whatever they did to deserve the death penalty. If they don't have good enough proof, they should just put the person in jail for 1-20 years and have them return to court, unless they think that "Well, death would be better than this" so they admit it. But, if they didn't, and they can prove it, they should be let go.

Overall, I think that people shouldn't use the death penalty because its better to let someone live than kill them and not give them another chance.

Isnt there something in the constitution about Cruelty of Punishment

They deserve to die...If they are sentenced to the electric chair they had to murder some one...And the police are making him pay with his own.

Isn't the use of the electric chair practically non existant (in America)?

The states that do offer it mostly use lethal injection dont they?

Some states still have the eletric chair thing. It depends on the states laws in cruel punishment.



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hmm. Yay people should get a terrible horrible death if he/she cause death on purpose but if they killed a people on acciendent then probly that would be a bad idea to make the person have a terrible horrible death

That is why we have courts and judges to ensure the justice to cruel punishment.

What can I say after LB Leader statement... except that the legal system of enforcing justice works dandy most of the times.

The Judicial branch of government does alot of judging. Most of the time the courts do a good job. the president can appoint a new person to supreme court.

I think they should send all the criminals and make them fight in the wars, like drop them there with only the supplies they need in hostile terroritory and leave them there until they complete the mission, and if they dont they get stuck there

I certainly think that the USA needs a centralised judicial system with standard types of punishment (not including the death penalty).

This would probably be difficult in practice, as many American states are pretty much countries in their own right. We're having trouble enough in Europe getting things standardised and centralised, because some countries are resisting the destruction of their national identity.

Do people from certain states in the US feel particularly identified with their state?

You spelled Penalty wrong.