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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Fastzerg on 2005-02-18 at 18:45:23
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Exists
Is Good
Is Bad
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|Don't know If Allah |
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Exists
Is Good
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by TSoldier_Wol[f] on 2005-02-18 at 21:21:19
Hey, God is God. I choice which not to censored.gif ing believe, God was just made up by some loser so he would be remembered through the years.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LB_Leader on 2005-02-20 at 11:44:29
i believe in God therefore he gives us faith that makes want to hope for some outcome.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KillerDrill900 on 2005-02-20 at 16:32:41
now why the heck would god be bad???
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-02-20 at 16:46:28
If he's good, why do bad things happen to good people?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KillerDrill900 on 2005-02-20 at 16:48:04
QUOTE(Nozomu @ Feb 20 2005, 03:46 PM)
If he's good, why do bad things happen to good people?
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idk he lets them do what they want XD
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SA_Max71 on 2005-02-20 at 18:50:09
QUOTE(Fastzerg @ Feb 18 2005, 03:45 PM)
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                            Exists                                 
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                            |Don't know If Allah        |
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                            Exists
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QUOTE(Nozomu @ Feb 20 2005, 01:46 PM)
If he's good, why do bad things happen to good people?
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If buhda or Allah is good, why does bad things happen to bad people? Or for that matter, why do people kill other people in the name of ----- Allah?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-02-20 at 21:32:24
QUOTE(Nozomu @ Feb 20 2005, 02:46 PM)
If he's good, why do bad things happen to good people?
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QUOTE(Nozomu @ Feb 10 2005, 12:07 AM)
Evil is a term humans apply to any code of morality radically different from their own. This means that good and evil are subjective. Hypothetically, if only one code of morality existed there would be no terms like good or evil.


Can evil be synomonous with bad in this example? I believe your logic conflicts with your statement here...

Both terms are subjective; good and bad. What is a good person, what is a bad person? What is something bad happening to someone? Is the fact that my mother is sinking into depression because of some problems my sister has bad? Of course it is; it's bad for her. But that's not the point of it happening. There is a deeper reason for why this has happened.

Perhaps to prepare me for something worse.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LB_Leader on 2005-02-20 at 22:44:06
QUOTE(Nozomu @ Feb 20 2005, 01:46 PM)
If he's good, why do bad things happen to good people?
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It could be a way to learn from mistakes and make ppl understand the concept of things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-02-20 at 22:58:33
QUOTE(Nozomu @ Feb 20 2005, 03:46 PM)
If he's good, why do bad things happen to good people?
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QUOTE(SA_Max71 @ Feb 20 2005, 05:50 PM)
If buhda or Allah is good, why does bad things happen to bad people? Or for that matter, why do people kill other people in the name of ----- Allah?
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Nothing is perfect. If nothing bad ever happened in our world, then there would be no such things as money/technology/fashion/countries/etc... They wouldn't be needed.

According to christianity, it's really because of Satan whose causing all this "bad" stuff because he deceived Adam and Eve into eating the bad fruits which would make us knowledgeable and know difference between good and evil.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-02-20 at 23:02:24
I'm agnostic... and I saw no God=Yoshi option, so I put down who cares.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-02-21 at 03:49:23
I was just playing devil's advocate, FK. I stand by my first post in this thread.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-02-21 at 10:24:02
QUOTE(SA_Max)
... Or for that matter, why do people kill other people in the name of ----- Allah?


I just hope that this isn't strictly meant for muslims, since I recall a few others in Christianity. ermm.gif
(Extremisms are in my target list, so you know.)

In case I didn't state before, I stick to what Nozumu stated in his 1st post (morality - depends on the eye of the beholder). So, I voted "who cares?".

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QUOTE(M.Army)
According to christianity, it's really because of Satan whose causing all this "bad" stuff because he deceived Adam and Eve into eating the bad fruits which would make us knowledgeable and know difference between good and evil.


So by this statement, Adam n' Eve knew the difference between good and evil due to eating the forbidden apple. And that's bad in...!?!
To me, knowing the difference is an awesome feat. So why did God/whatever placed it in Eden's black list? blink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-02-21 at 17:03:51
Since they know the difference between Good and Evil, they can act either good or Evil, just like we can. See before they ate the apple, they knew nothing about what "evil" was. Because they ate it, they were exposed to sinning and therefore inflict bad things upon the world and to each other (such as violence, anger, inflicting pain, deriding, etc..).

It's also not just knowing the difference, but actually opening their eyes and exposing themselves to Sin. God placed it there because he wanted to give them (as well as everyone else) a choice. If he placed no bad trees in Eden, it's sort of like forcing us to eat from the good trees and be a good boy. He wants us to freely choose. Just like he offered this chance to all the angels and everyone but Lucifer (aka Satan) chose to follow him.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-02-24 at 08:15:39
QUOTE(M.Army)
Since they know the difference between Good and Evil, they can act either good or Evil, just like we can. See before they ate the apple, they knew nothing about what "evil" was. Because they ate it, they were exposed to sinning and therefore inflict bad things upon the world and to each other (such as violence, anger, inflicting pain, deriding, etc..).

It's also not just knowing the difference, but actually opening their eyes and exposing themselves to Sin. God placed it there because he wanted to give them (as well as everyone else) a choice. If he placed no bad trees in Eden, it's sort of like forcing us to eat from the good trees and be a good boy. He wants us to freely choose. Just like he offered this chance to all the angels and everyone but Lucifer (aka Satan) chose to follow him.


Even after reading your post I still stick to the same. By knowing the difference, we have a margin (read 'sin exposure' as you call it) from wich to look at and always try to improve ourselves.
Being all good wouldn't made us evolve. Thus Science as we know it, would probably be in the proverbial "Stone Age".

What was your point afterall? I seriously didn't get it. blink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-02-24 at 17:58:19
Well by knowing "evil" would you then have yourself incited to commit sin. If they never ate that apple, we'd be such a good, happy, jolly ol world with no violence, everyone happy and loving, no pain or hurt feelings, and just the best time of our lives. We wouldn't need to evolve; we'd be perfect
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-02-24 at 18:09:07
I don't think that god exist, so Who care?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-02-25 at 09:16:34
QUOTE(M.Army)
Well by knowing "evil" would you then have yourself incited to commit sin. If they never ate that apple, we'd be such a good, happy, jolly ol world with no violence, everyone happy and loving, no pain or hurt feelings, and just the best time of our lives. We wouldn't need to evolve; we'd be perfect


No. That's not true. Pay my taxes, am a law abidding citizen most of the times... and so I happen to know evil. Ain't incited to commit sin by just knowing it exists. So your point still lacks a notch to be 'buyable', by my book. dry.gif
(Just to point out a contradicting edge. Pain still could exist, even in the perfect little paradise you described.)

Not the Perfect Design thing again. Evolution disproves it... as debated before. Get some other newer excuse(s) out of that loop, please. pinch.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-02-26 at 11:38:41
We evolve because we're changing. We change for a better cause, for a better good. We adapt to our environments so we can live better. And why do we evolve? Cuz we aren't perfect. We're not perfect the way we are and so because we aren't our bodies must evolve and we must adapt to better suit ourseves in our environment. If we lived in a perfect society, for what purposes would we even evolve for?

And also it's not just about knowing sin. It's actually also meaning enabling urself to sin. Sin sometimes is committed involuntarily. Getting mad, holding grudges, dislikes, riduling things/people, etc are all examples of sin. Sin consists of many things, it's not just about your actions, but your feelings.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Warlord on 2005-02-27 at 15:40:58
I put God is good. Like my Papi always used to tell me, Evil was made to size up good. Without evil, there would be no good. Neutralizationing forces here. Just like, without white, there'd be no other colors because white contains all of the colors in the spectrum. This is kind of off topid, but how can you people who beleive in God figure that He's evil, if he made you?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-02-27 at 15:55:59
How can you automatically assume that His decision to make you was a good act?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Warlord on 2005-02-27 at 19:01:52
How can you automatically assume that making you was a bad act?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-02-27 at 19:02:46
Shifting the Burden of Proof. Very nice.

How can you assume that God was your creator in the first place?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-02-27 at 21:53:08
I rely on faith.
You rely on logic.
that's how.

Haven't we already discussed this five hundred times?
This is getting off topic. I'm giving you five posts to get back on focus or else I'm locking this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-02-27 at 22:31:10
Lol, firekame, u sound so menacing when u're like "do this or else im going to lock this topic."

But neways, God is good. Otherwise he's cast a huge meteor at us and we'd go BABOOOOOOOOOM
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