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Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-02-20 at 11:32:36
QUOTE(ScrollMaker @ Feb 18 2005, 03:12 AM)
Who is it biased against? The scientists aren't the ones failing to perform, it's the people who claim they can perform miracles that are failing to perform.
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The site isn't factually biased, but surely you can't have failed to notice the abundance of sarcasm contained within those pages? Sarcasm is used to devalue the opposing side in an argument, and hence the site becomes horribly subjective on a subliminal level.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-02-20 at 16:49:11
But they never use sarcasm to change the facts - that no one has been able to scientifically prove their supernatural abilities in a double-blind test conducted by them. Don't get us skeptics wrong, either. We'd love to see concrete, solid evidence of the supernatural. I think that would be the coolest thing ever. But wishful thinking in the face of scientific evidence is fallacious.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-02-20 at 18:47:19
If you have any understanding of subliminal media techniques then you'll see that there is a substantial editorial bias on the site. The facts aren't changed, you're right, but the way that they are presented could be more objective.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-02-20 at 22:18:17
QUOTE(ScrollMaker @ Feb 18 2005, 05:09 PM)
Okay.
The brain interprets the signals that your eyes receive, so unless somebody had a special ability to interpret some weird thing that nobody else could.... blah blah.
Basically it doesn't work evolutionarily.

Well, first of all, it can work. It could be a mutation. Secondly, who's to say it has to make sense evolutionarily? Refer to my comment about *T.V.*'s and *2000 years ago*.
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The difference is that we believe in the Big Bang because of the evidence we have seen prior to the theory. We don't make it up and then try to find things that might prove it is real.

I can say that any person who has personal experience with seeing Chakras has evidence, even if that evidence means nothing to another. And I don't see why thousands of people would lie about that thing.
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Same as above.

Erm... which above? =\
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So are you suggesting that Shakras can only be seen by time travelers who traveled back into our time?

Umm... how did I imply that? confused.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-02-21 at 10:49:26
QUOTE(ScrollMaker)
The brain interprets the signals that your eyes receive, so unless somebody had a special ability to interpret some weird thing that nobody else could.... blah blah. Basically it doesn't work evolutionarily.


Can you say mutation? Just not to mention Occam's Razor... dry.gif to that 'wonderful' comment on how evolutionary speakin' it's impossible for a brain to work. pinch.gif
Please present evidences of that claim. *Ponders if it's won't turn into another Creation vs. Evo' thread after this*

See corals as a possible example of systems evolving (common stomach, for instance). So it could happen similar to the nervous network system.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-02-26 at 00:25:10
QUOTE(Basan @ Feb 21 2005, 07:49 AM)
*Ponders if it's won't turn into another Creation vs. Evo' thread after this*

Auras... there really isn't any proof of it, and it also doesn't seem to fit well into the main religions or "logical conclusions" (except hindu or shinto)

P.S. Basan, one thing I have realized most about mutation is that: can't a creature de-evolve? I mean, if a molecule "randomly" mutates into another molecule, can't by chance have it "randomly" change back into the first molecule?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ScrollMaker on 2005-02-26 at 12:03:26
QUOTE(Basan @ Feb 21 2005, 10:49 AM)
QUOTE(ScrollMaker)
The brain interprets the signals that your eyes receive, so unless somebody had a special ability to interpret some weird thing that nobody else could.... blah blah. Basically it doesn't work evolutionarily.


Can you say mutation?

Yes, but it would take thousands if not millions of years for someone to develop the ability to see and interpret things outside the optical spectrum. What you are essentially saying is that someone was, for example, born with the ability to see in infrared.

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Just not to mention Occam's Razor...  dry.gif to that 'wonderful' comment on how evolutionary speakin' it's impossible for a brain to work.  pinch.gif
Please present evidences of that claim.  *Ponders if it's won't turn into another Creation vs. Evo' thread after this*

I don't get what you're saying. Are you saying that evolution wouldn't occur because of Occam's Razor? Because if you are that would be wrong...

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See corals as a possible example of systems evolving (common stomach, for instance). So it could happen similar to the nervous network system.

Things evolve, but we don't see fire-breathing pigs just because one of them has a mutation.


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QUOTE(Mr.Kirbycode774 @ Feb 26 2005, 12:25 AM)
P.S. Basan, one thing I have realized most about mutation is that: can't a creature de-evolve?  I mean, if a molecule "randomly" mutates into another molecule, can't by chance have it "randomly" change back into the first molecule?

Things cannot devolve. For example if over millions of years humans start to turn into more chimpanzee-like creatures and it didn't hurt our chances of survival, we would still be evolving, not devolving. You and I have different DNA, but that doesn't make us different creatures. It would take much more different DNA for one of us to not be considered human.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-02-26 at 15:27:02
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Yes, but it would take thousands if not millions of years for someone to develop the ability to see and interpret things outside the optical spectrum. What you are essentially saying is that someone was, for example, born with the ability to see in infrared.

A- Not necesarily.
B- As I also said, it might not necesarily be an evolution. Though I currently do not believe in God, I believe in the possibility of God, and thusly that he could have meddled with us. Possibly our eyes. Possibly our brains. Possibly just our minds.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-02-26 at 19:24:55
QUOTE(ScrollMaker @ Feb 26 2005, 09:03 AM)
Addition:

Things cannot devolve. For example if over millions of years humans start to turn into more chimpanzee-like creatures and it didn't hurt our chances of survival, we would still be evolving, not devolving. You and I have different DNA, but that doesn't make us different creatures. It would take much more different DNA for one of us to not be considered human.

Uh-oh... communication breakdown... (>.<) In its most basic form, evolution means "change" correct? Well, when i meant "de"evolve, i was arguing against macroevolution. Let's take this example: Let's say over millions of years, some humans mutated into super-humans (like superheros) ok? Now, even though because they have super-powers they have a BETTER chance of survival and reproduce, normal humans still have a good chance of surviving ok? CAN or CANNOT over millions of years the super-human cells mutate back into normal humans? Think of it like "one step forward, one step back". That is plausible right? That is what I meant when i was using the word de-evolve.

Now, what you are stating in your quote is true. Microevolution (evolution meaning "change") exists and can be easily proven. It DOES take much more DNA for one of us to not be considered human. I still don't understand how evolutionists don't believe in some "divine force" yet wilfully believe that nature will push mankind toward perfection.

NOW ANYWAYS.... what are all your views upon Shakras? (Not Shakuras, thats the DT homeworld) I don't know if they exists... but what do YOU, the people, think?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-02-27 at 02:26:04
Perfection is based on human perception and interpretation, not science. If you understand evolutionary theory at all, you should realize that perfection is an impossible circumstance. Do you consider humans to be perfect in our current state, even though we lack the "motivation" (by that I mean circumstances and possibility of gradual extinction) to evolve?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-02-28 at 09:52:18
QUOTE(Mr.Kirby)
P.S. Basan, one thing I have realized most about mutation is that: can't a creature de-evolve? I mean, if a molecule "randomly" mutates into another molecule, can't by chance have it "randomly" change back into the first molecule?


Yep, if the surrounding environment changes back to what it used to be influencing it to do it (in possible time to survive). From where I see it we already have examples of it, in whales n' dolphins. A return to the origin, sorta. wink.gif

QUOTE(ScrollMaker)
Yes, but it would take thousands if not millions of years for someone to develop the ability to see and interpret things outside the optical spectrum. What you are essentially saying is that someone was, for example, born with the ability to see in infrared.


And what's the problem with that? See above for details on why it could happen. blink.gif

QUOTE(ScrollMaker)
I don't get what you're saying. Are you saying that evolution wouldn't occur because of Occam's Razor? Because if you are that would be wrong...


Sorry. I was just trying to see ahead as proves my comment on pondering. Your 1st comment seemed a little too much creationist flame bait for my taste. pinch.gif

QUOTE(ScrollMaker)
Things evolve, but we don't see fire-breathing pigs just because one of them has a mutation.


Same as above. Environment dictates the paths for evo' to take over. happy.gif

QUOTE(ScrollMaker)
Things cannot devolve. For example if over millions of years humans start to turn into more chimpanzee-like creatures and it didn't hurt our chances of survival, we would still be evolving, not devolving. You and I have different DNA, but that doesn't make us different creatures. It would take much more different DNA for one of us to not be considered human.


That's where I divert from you. As my 1st reply paragraph states. closedeyes.gif

QUOTE(Mr.Kirby)
Uh-oh... communication breakdown... (>.<) In its most basic form, evolution means "change" correct? Well, when i meant "de"evolve, i was arguing against macroevolution. Let's take this example: Let's say over millions of years, some humans mutated into super-humans (like superheros) ok? Now, even though because they have super-powers they have a BETTER chance of survival and reproduce, normal humans still have a good chance of surviving ok? CAN or CANNOT over millions of years the super-human cells mutate back into normal humans? Think of it like "one step forward, one step back". That is plausible right? That is what I meant when i was using the word de-evolve.

Now, what you are stating in your quote is true. Microevolution (evolution meaning "change") exists and can be easily proven. It DOES take much more DNA for one of us to not be considered human. I still don't understand how evolutionists don't believe in some "divine force" yet wilfully believe that nature will push mankind toward perfection.


Snap! You've self answered your previous 'doubt'. *Meh* tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Nozumu)
Perfection is based on human perception and interpretation, not science. If you understand evolutionary theory at all, you should realize that perfection is an impossible circumstance. Do you consider humans to be perfect in our current state, even though we lack the "motivation" (by that I mean circumstances and possibility of gradual extinction) to evolve?


Ta da! Perfectly summed. *Pats on Nozumu's back* happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SilentSpecter on 2005-02-28 at 23:43:22
Of course they are real, they are like vibes u can feel them when u walk into a room or when u get too close to a person... some of them are good some are bad just like music.
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