Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2005-02-21 at 20:34:07
What Text Documents are you talking about? All those records where burned right before the end of the war. If you are talking about text documents written after the war then I suggest not to pay attention to those for the following reason:
The reason I said all that I've said is because I usually like to watch The History Channel and there was a time when there were doing a marathon about Hitler for almost a week. It was about everything Hitler and Documents which where found written by Hitler, his secretaries and other important people. Also there were people in those documentaries that knew people and were very close to him.
Word of someone that knew Hitler > Written text of a Historian
The reason I said all that I've said is because I usually like to watch The History Channel and there was a time when there were doing a marathon about Hitler for almost a week. It was about everything Hitler and Documents which where found written by Hitler, his secretaries and other important people. Also there were people in those documentaries that knew people and were very close to him.
Word of someone that knew Hitler > Written text of a Historian
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-02-21 at 20:49:03
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You think Hitler didn't have the power to stop all that from happening? You act like Hitler doesn't even exist and Himmler is who everyone remembers as the biggest murderer in history. If Hitler didn't do anything wrong then why does every text document in history state otherwise? Even if we pretended that Hitler didn't kill any Jews after he knew that Germany lost WWII he sent all the remaining troops on a march to no where to eventually die of starvation or disease, and when cities in Germany were being bombed by the allies the citizens hid in sewers and Hitler ordered the sewers be flooded and his reasoning was that if they hide they weren't worthy of the aryan race. That sums up how horrible he is.
No that sums up how misunderstanding you are.
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If Hitler didn't do anything wrong then why does every text document in history state otherwise?
There were barely any text documents that escaped burning and the ones that survived tell pretty much nothing.
If he never hated jews it would have been almost impossible for him to come into power.
If it wasn't for Hitler we would be about one age behind.
And even if you don't agree with all that, you can't base out the facts that the topic of this poll was to determine if Hitler was a nutcase or a genius, and you can't prove wrong he was a genius in any way.
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Yah Adarf hater he and his army only killed alot of jews XD yah he was a very bad guy we have to learn this in launguage arts and its boring....
Aye aye aye.. Read the posts in a topic before you.... Post.
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LOL..Dude totally true. He was completely insane...He did truely kill so many jews. It was completely messed up.
Same advice as above.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KillerDrill900 on 2005-02-21 at 20:55:35
Yah Adarf hater he and his army only killed alot of jews XD yah he was a very bad guy we have to learn this in launguage arts 
and its boring....
and its boring....Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sipher on 2005-02-21 at 22:10:45
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Feb 21 2005, 04:24 PM)
Are you kidding me?? He's 200% insane. He's nowhere CLOSE to being great. Sending 6 million jews into their deaths, you call that fantastic?!? He's a flagrantly corrupt dictator poophead who does nothing but being just a miserly tyrant. If you think he's innocuous, you've seriously got problems...
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LOL..Dude totally true. He was completely insane...He did truely kill so many jews. It was completely messed up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-02-21 at 22:21:53
Out of curiosity, did you bother to read a post that didn't contain the word "insane" ?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LB_Leader on 2005-02-21 at 22:24:36
He has power and comes to kill Dont you think that's insane. He's been killin ppl for a while.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-02-21 at 22:47:42
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He has power and comes to kill Dont you think that's insane. He's been killin ppl for a while.
Where have you been all these posts? didn't you bother to read any of them? I mean you posted more than twice in this topic someone would think you would notice.
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OOPs srry if i offended you.
Gee that's just spam. I think ure posting just for the minerals.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LB_Leader on 2005-02-21 at 22:51:45
OOPs srry if i offended you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-02-21 at 23:38:07
QUOTE(Haplo @ Feb 21 2005, 06:40 PM)
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Other than that, he was a Catholic nutcase, and deserved what he got. The holocaust is really nothing more than a side note to the war, something that they found out Hitler was doing and the news jumped all over later for publicity. Hitler at least claimed to believe that the national funds were being locked up in the rich jews, so he shipped them off to camps and sold off thier possesions. Really, if he'd spent the resources on fighting, and used them to generate more income and more vehicles, he probably would have won.
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Other than that, he was a Catholic nutcase, and deserved what he got. The holocaust is really nothing more than a side note to the war, something that they found out Hitler was doing and the news jumped all over later for publicity. Hitler at least claimed to believe that the national funds were being locked up in the rich jews, so he shipped them off to camps and sold off thier possesions. Really, if he'd spent the resources on fighting, and used them to generate more income and more vehicles, he probably would have won.
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Well, u see, back when the holocaust was taking the place, we americans were fully apathetic and didn't pay the slightest attention to the news. Many people even believed that it never existed and never thought about how bad it really was.
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You think Hitler didn't have the power to stop all that from happening? You act like Hitler doesn't even exist and Himmler is who everyone remembers as the biggest murderer in history. If Hitler didn't do anything wrong then why does every text document in history state otherwise? Even if we pretended that Hitler didn't kill any Jews after he knew that Germany lost WWII he sent all the remaining troops on a march to no where to eventually die of starvation or disease, and when cities in Germany were being bombed by the allies the citizens hid in sewers and Hitler ordered the sewers be flooded and his reasoning was that if they hide they weren't worthy of the aryan race. That sums up how horrible he is.
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Hitler has the power to stop many things, such as the deaths of 6 million innocent jews. But he refuses to divert his depravitive ways and pursue radical corruption.
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Feb 21 2005, 06:48 PM)
Ugh, you people are only focusing on what he did but rather why he did it.
He may have done bad things, but that does not cancel out his genius.
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He may have done bad things, but that does not cancel out his genius.
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Yes he's accomplished a handful of miserly deeds which easily could deem him as a wacko tyrant. However, yes you're right; he was ingenious in many ways. I will not deny that though. What im saying is that his Bad deeds outweigh his good deeds though.
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He has power and comes to kill Dont you think that's insane. He's been killin ppl for a while.
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Yup, insane especially since he's killing off innocuous jews that do not impede Hitler's ways. His teachings and ways incited many people (such as the ss) to go and kill off the jews.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-02-22 at 03:36:38
Hitler also pushed technology advancement so space travel is possible today (not that it really matters to us, because only a few of us in this forum will ever go into space)
Hitler was really intelligent in the fields of politics and economies, however if he used it differently, not so many Jews would have died. However, I don't think he has much of a choice. To bring Germany's economy up rapidly and to the highest extent, he probably or definitely believes there needs to be a sacrifice. = Jews
Well, most books or documents about hitler now is really biased, they rarely meantion about his contributions.
Hitler was really intelligent in the fields of politics and economies, however if he used it differently, not so many Jews would have died. However, I don't think he has much of a choice. To bring Germany's economy up rapidly and to the highest extent, he probably or definitely believes there needs to be a sacrifice. = Jews
Well, most books or documents about hitler now is really biased, they rarely meantion about his contributions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-02-22 at 03:48:27
QUOTE(FireKame @ Feb 21 2005, 06:31 PM)
He was a brilliant man, just how he went about doing stuff (genocide and what not) was horrible.
after reading Beer's post:
That is true, he did not directly, but he started the hatred.
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after reading Beer's post:
That is true, he did not directly, but he started the hatred.
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true he didnt directly kill the jews, but when Adolf Hitler said jump the Germans asked how high? I.E. he didnt have to control all that many people in practice becuase his politicle prows was such that if he suggested something it would get done even if it wasnt his job or his postition to conrtol that sort of thing. so in a way he controlled the killing of those jews.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lisk on 2005-02-22 at 10:40:48
he was a genius. commanding masses of people and bringing Germany out of the depression thing.
"Jews are bad" was a political campaign stuff, seperation the country into 2... genius.
Btw not only the jews died -_-t
"Jews are bad" was a political campaign stuff, seperation the country into 2... genius.
Btw not only the jews died -_-t
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-02-22 at 13:29:34
I don't know where you got your information about Hitler from, Beer, but he was certainly a lazy person, according to many historians and members of his old circle of advisors.
He got up late, went to bed early and rarely did any paperwork. He often got occupied by pet projects (his friends told his chief architect 'Please don't tell him you have any building plans for him today.') and he spent much of his time in his home in the mountains. I knew that Hitler's physician gave him anti-flatulence drugs, but that's all I know about his medication.
The ironic thing is that people are still fooled by Goebbels' propaganda depicting Hitler as the all-powerful dictator, even now. He was also a poor military leader, contrary to popular belief. As I've said, he messed about in Russia and screwed his generals over (especially at Stalingrad), ultimately resulting in his defeat.
He was, however, a smart politician whose position as Führer was never challenged. He played off the most powerful members of his party against one another by giving them deliberately vague orders. As a result, there was a lot of bickering and disorganisation within the Nazi party, although things did get done somehow.
He got up late, went to bed early and rarely did any paperwork. He often got occupied by pet projects (his friends told his chief architect 'Please don't tell him you have any building plans for him today.') and he spent much of his time in his home in the mountains. I knew that Hitler's physician gave him anti-flatulence drugs, but that's all I know about his medication.
The ironic thing is that people are still fooled by Goebbels' propaganda depicting Hitler as the all-powerful dictator, even now. He was also a poor military leader, contrary to popular belief. As I've said, he messed about in Russia and screwed his generals over (especially at Stalingrad), ultimately resulting in his defeat.
He was, however, a smart politician whose position as Führer was never challenged. He played off the most powerful members of his party against one another by giving them deliberately vague orders. As a result, there was a lot of bickering and disorganisation within the Nazi party, although things did get done somehow.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cnl.Fatso on 2005-02-22 at 14:07:12
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He has power and comes to kill Dont you think that's insane. He's been killin ppl for a while.
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I realize that you may not actually know this, but Adolf Hitler is dead these past 50 years.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-02-22 at 15:19:13
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I don't know where you got your information about Hitler from, Beer, but he was certainly a lazy person, according to many historians and members of his old circle of advisors.
He got up late, went to bed early and rarely did any paperwork. He often got occupied by pet projects (his friends told his chief architect 'Please don't tell him you have any building plans for him today.') and he spent much of his time in his home in the mountains. I knew that Hitler's physician gave him anti-flatulence drugs, but that's all I know about his medication.
The ironic thing is that people are still fooled by Goebbels' propaganda depicting Hitler as the all-powerful dictator, even now. He was also a poor military leader, contrary to popular belief. As I've said, he messed about in Russia and screwed his generals over (especially at Stalingrad), ultimately resulting in his defeat.
He was, however, a smart politician whose position as Führer was never challenged. He played off the most powerful members of his party against one another by giving them deliberately vague orders. As a result, there was a lot of bickering and disorganisation within the Nazi party, although things did get done somehow.
He got up late, went to bed early and rarely did any paperwork. He often got occupied by pet projects (his friends told his chief architect 'Please don't tell him you have any building plans for him today.') and he spent much of his time in his home in the mountains. I knew that Hitler's physician gave him anti-flatulence drugs, but that's all I know about his medication.
The ironic thing is that people are still fooled by Goebbels' propaganda depicting Hitler as the all-powerful dictator, even now. He was also a poor military leader, contrary to popular belief. As I've said, he messed about in Russia and screwed his generals over (especially at Stalingrad), ultimately resulting in his defeat.
He was, however, a smart politician whose position as Führer was never challenged. He played off the most powerful members of his party against one another by giving them deliberately vague orders. As a result, there was a lot of bickering and disorganisation within the Nazi party, although things did get done somehow.
Fully concur with ya.
Only as a pice of intel... he didn't aimed it's xenophobe only at Jews. All that was different from that "Aryan race" concept he twisted, was soon to be clensed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-02-22 at 16:00:10
Just becuase you mess up fighting in russia doesnt mean that you arent a brilliant military genius... look at Napolean...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-02-22 at 18:00:04
His generals thought he was a bit of an idiot - he certainly wasn't a military man, despite his dressing up in uniform like all dictators do.
After all, his only military experience was in WW1, where he was given the role of messenger boy, running communications from trench to trench.
Here's some evidence that his commanders didn't know what on Earth he was on about half of the time:
After all, his only military experience was in WW1, where he was given the role of messenger boy, running communications from trench to trench.
Here's some evidence that his commanders didn't know what on Earth he was on about half of the time:
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6) In January 1941, Kurt Student had a meeting with Adolf Hitler to discuss the invasion of Britain.
At first Hitler developed in detail his general views, political and strategical, about how to continue the war against his principal enemy. Herein he also mentioned the issues in the Mediterranean. After that he turned to the question of invading England. Hitler said that during the previous year he could not afford to risk a possible failure; apart from that, he had not wished to provoke the British, as he hoped to arrange peace talks. But as they were unwilling to discuss things, they must face the alternative.
Then a discussion followed about the use of the 11th Air Corps in an invasion of Great Britain. In this respect I expressed my doubts about using the Corps directly on the South coast, to form a bridgehead for the Army - as the area immediately behind the coast was now covered with obstacles. These doubts were accepted by Hitler. I then proposed that, if it proved absolutely necessary to use the 11th Air Corps on the south coast, then airfields in the hinterland (25 to 35 miles distant from the coast) should be captured, and infantry divisions landed on them.
Suddenly Hitler pointed to the Cornwall - Devon Peninsula, and drew a big circle on his map round Taunton and the Blackdown Hills, saying: 'Your airborne troops could be used here as flank protection. This is a strong sector and, besides, this important defile must be opened.' He then pointed to Plymouth and dwelt on the importance of this great harbour for the Germans and for the English. Now I could no longer follow his thought, and I asked at what points on the south coast the landing was to take place. But Hitler kept strictly to his order that operations were to be kept secret, and said: 'I cannot tell you yet'."
At first Hitler developed in detail his general views, political and strategical, about how to continue the war against his principal enemy. Herein he also mentioned the issues in the Mediterranean. After that he turned to the question of invading England. Hitler said that during the previous year he could not afford to risk a possible failure; apart from that, he had not wished to provoke the British, as he hoped to arrange peace talks. But as they were unwilling to discuss things, they must face the alternative.
Then a discussion followed about the use of the 11th Air Corps in an invasion of Great Britain. In this respect I expressed my doubts about using the Corps directly on the South coast, to form a bridgehead for the Army - as the area immediately behind the coast was now covered with obstacles. These doubts were accepted by Hitler. I then proposed that, if it proved absolutely necessary to use the 11th Air Corps on the south coast, then airfields in the hinterland (25 to 35 miles distant from the coast) should be captured, and infantry divisions landed on them.
Suddenly Hitler pointed to the Cornwall - Devon Peninsula, and drew a big circle on his map round Taunton and the Blackdown Hills, saying: 'Your airborne troops could be used here as flank protection. This is a strong sector and, besides, this important defile must be opened.' He then pointed to Plymouth and dwelt on the importance of this great harbour for the Germans and for the English. Now I could no longer follow his thought, and I asked at what points on the south coast the landing was to take place. But Hitler kept strictly to his order that operations were to be kept secret, and said: 'I cannot tell you yet'."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2005-02-22 at 18:49:34
I would agree with you Will, Britian did pose a problem to Hitler since Hitler knew nothing of Aerial and naval Warfare.
Hitler was pretty good at Land Warfare as was shown by the invasion fo Russia, France and all other minor countries.
The problem with Russia was that Hitler didn't have enough intelligence on Russia's Army simply because the T-31 tanks that Russia had were stationed in Siberia and heavy production didn't begin until the begining of Operation Barbarossa.
Hitler was pretty good at Land Warfare as was shown by the invasion fo Russia, France and all other minor countries.
The problem with Russia was that Hitler didn't have enough intelligence on Russia's Army simply because the T-31 tanks that Russia had were stationed in Siberia and heavy production didn't begin until the begining of Operation Barbarossa.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TSoldier_Wol[f] on 2005-02-22 at 22:08:36
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG[eM] @ Feb 21 2005, 06:43 PM)
He was a genius.
He Revolutionized the way wars are fought.
Because of Him the Great Depression ended.
Becasue of Him the Atomic Age started.(He was the first to start funding the atomic bomb project)
Because of Him I am living today.
Because of Him the first computers were invented.
Because of Him lots of other things happened.
becasue of Him is why Saddamn is so insane.
Yes I added He is Great! to the poll.
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He Revolutionized the way wars are fought.
Because of Him the Great Depression ended.
Becasue of Him the Atomic Age started.(He was the first to start funding the atomic bomb project)
Because of Him I am living today.
Because of Him the first computers were invented.
Because of Him lots of other things happened.
becasue of Him is why Saddamn is so insane.
Yes I added He is Great! to the poll.
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Da, that is true. USA even uses one of his new jet fight plane designs. Like the design of the B2 Spirits, aka the Sleath Bombers we use today. The design came from Germany sometime near the end of WW2.
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The problem with Russia was that Hitler didn't have enough intelligence on Russia's Army simply because the "T-31" tanks that Russia had were stationed in Siberia
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Don't you mean T-34s?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-02-22 at 23:03:44
I believe that "Tiger" tanks were superior to the T-34s, but Russia managed to churn out many times more the number of tanks. If Hitler had crushed the British and French forces as they were waiting to board the ships on the coast after the blitzkrieg there would most likely have been no D-Day. However, he kept his armored brigades back and allowed hundreds of thousands of men to depart to England, where they helped to later begin the massive Western counteroffensive on that dreary morning of June 6, 1944. If he had allowed his generals, trained in warfare, to command the Wehrmacht and other military forces, the Axis would almost surely have won World War II.
That's all for now, I have to do research on the founding of Israel for a speech then off to bed. Yay for school!
That's all for now, I have to do research on the founding of Israel for a speech then off to bed. Yay for school!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-02-23 at 02:15:35
Hitler was a mad-man. Here are simple reasons why:
1) One of his most notable targets (but not the only) was killing of the Jews. His definition of a "Jew" was a person with one Jewish grandparent. In Hitler's own standards, he himself was a Jew.
2) His mental stability probably went down the drain after he was crushed to find that he was rejected from a college and an art school.
Hitler was a genius. Here are simple reasons why:
1) Young Adolf was well-known for a natural leader, asking for undeniable obedienece from his classmates. This would eliminate the untrustworthy and leave those who truly were loyal to him. (Good: His generals were loyal. One accused of murder drank hemlock by Hitler's command I believe. Bad: This general was one of the best generals in his army and a close friend of Hitler's if I remember correctly- quite a stupid move to kill him if you ask me.)
2)He was able to make all the people bow down to him by telling them about the superior race of blond haired blue-eyed people. Somehow he was able to keep in power even though he had brown hair and brown eyes. (You would think someone would say, "Shouldn't we have the superior race lead us to victory?")
I think Hitler was insane and a genius, but "genius" is not one of the categories, and "mis-informed" sounds like that Hitler was zealous in his ideals for "love, joy, and peace" but just didn't realize the error he was making (yeah right). Therefore, I choose the "insane" answer.
1) One of his most notable targets (but not the only) was killing of the Jews. His definition of a "Jew" was a person with one Jewish grandparent. In Hitler's own standards, he himself was a Jew.
2) His mental stability probably went down the drain after he was crushed to find that he was rejected from a college and an art school.
Hitler was a genius. Here are simple reasons why:
1) Young Adolf was well-known for a natural leader, asking for undeniable obedienece from his classmates. This would eliminate the untrustworthy and leave those who truly were loyal to him. (Good: His generals were loyal. One accused of murder drank hemlock by Hitler's command I believe. Bad: This general was one of the best generals in his army and a close friend of Hitler's if I remember correctly- quite a stupid move to kill him if you ask me.)
2)He was able to make all the people bow down to him by telling them about the superior race of blond haired blue-eyed people. Somehow he was able to keep in power even though he had brown hair and brown eyes. (You would think someone would say, "Shouldn't we have the superior race lead us to victory?")
I think Hitler was insane and a genius, but "genius" is not one of the categories, and "mis-informed" sounds like that Hitler was zealous in his ideals for "love, joy, and peace" but just didn't realize the error he was making (yeah right). Therefore, I choose the "insane" answer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rhiom on 2005-02-23 at 03:12:29
Hitler fell into one of the traps that seems to reoccur over and over again through history... over extension. i think he was simply fighting on too many fronts, like napolean, and the romans befre him. i'm sure i could come up with more examples but am too lazy right now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-02-23 at 16:20:17
It's the choices they make that bring them downhill. Like the other dictatoid douche-bags before him, he chose to fight on many fronts and awaken the sleeping giant (AKA the USA) costing them the war
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2005-02-23 at 18:42:56
Japan did that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-02-23 at 19:08:39
Ok fine, the japanese did. But still...