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You can make a function that does. Hell I could make logarithms in starcraft triggers if I was determined enough (be one hell of an endevour though).

Hmm, if it was based on posts/karma rating per post then it would penalize people who had been around forever and had 100's of posts that were before Karma or too old to get Karma for. Reputation sounds like a much better name though or maybe Accolades(sp?) or something.

Maybe you need to give it a rest with the math and rely on the fact that Yoshi doesn't want to do that. That and the knowledge that IP is making a new system.

That and my knowledge that I know that any system that relies on one factor; say Karma is doomed

From what I see, the real problem is not how complicated the system is but the fact the users can abuse it.
Why not just allow the admins and global mods (whom can be trusted) to be able to 'mark' people as sutible for karma giving and that way the only ones that would be able to give karma to any other members are respected people.
It's simple, and it won't take much of the admins&mods time... all they have to do is click a button near someone's profile if they think he's a serious member.

That way, spammers and newcomers won't be able to give karma while people that are here for months and post serious posts would be able to do so.
Also, allow As&GMs to be able to take that power away from members in case they've been fond abusing it.

Simple, and can hardly be abused, why not?

How many people even bother giving out karma now? I've given out 1 karma point since it was put into effect mostly because you don't really read a post and then automatically think time to give karma points. I mean, life would go on in staredit forums without karma .

think about what your saying, although this sounds good i theory can u think of somehting this relates to in history? it relates to the elitist societies of the old regime in which the arestocrisy and the nobles decided the fate of the masss populace. your suggestion cuts the mass of people out of the loop and creates an aristocrasy of the older memebers of the forum. In essence if this was enacted you would be creating an eliteist society in which it would be very impracticle to raise your social rank in this society, this would then in turn demote the amount of willingness to join the forum. one major reason new meber join is becuase they see fair opotunity to raise in status on this forum. once this is removed you will see a very lagre drop off in new meber, it wont take place immediatly but it would take place. in the end you would only be left with those who had been sleceted by the admins to give karma, and a few other hoepfulls who are on the point of being accepted into this elitest academy. other memebr would just simpl leave for another forum in which equal oppertunity was guarenteed. there is much president for this throughout history, not in the sense of an internet foru but in the sense of countries. In countrys people arwe capable of revoluting but sense that would be impossible i this case people would in turn just leave. so in short, if you enact the above mentioned system you would basicly cut out new memebers/ anoyne who isnt a regular/ elite already.

edit:
I was mistaken, revolution is indeed possible against this form of government.

If you retrict karma distribution, revolution is possible through spamming/ flaming the system on the forums.

I think you should also make a log or something to see who gave you karma or something.

I agree with Tuxedo on the abuse system. Because the first thing a noob will do that wants karma really bad, they will abuse the priveledge. If you made the karma the same as the warning level I think it would be great then you wouldn't have to worry about abuse.

Also, the Admins and Mods. giving out karma would be good to because that way you wouldn't have to worry about abuse on the karma factor. Only the people that deserve to get "some" karma would deserve it.

admins dont look over every post though.... also then wouldnt that result in a bunch of brown nosers who would try to "deserve" karma by sucking up to the admins? also isnt the whole point of the karma system to see how u stand with the cumminity and not just with the admins?

How about you call them Gas and supplies? For the karma-admin and karma-member

i think weve been over this several times warhammer, gas is gonna be used in the armies, and supplys doesnt really say what it is.

arg o yea... but... that was a good idea at the time!
-well, there is no other currency in sc so my idea of the month has been used up!

I don't agree with you.
In the situation where there were nobles and poor that you described they got their rank because of who were their parents, not because of their own skills.
While in my suggestion, the ones become allowed to give karma are those who proven themselves worthy to.
Someone can be here for years but only post poinless spam and not be able to give karma while someone new that just joined yet released were popular maps and acted maturely on the forum would be able to give karma.

Besides, members will know that you get karma for being nice to others and posting smart posts so it'll encourage them to not spam and act mature, or leave if they can't.
It'll move the level of this community one step up and will make SEN become a very respected place among all net SC sites and everyone will come here to see if they can fit up into the site of great map makers or if they should brush their skills and manners up.

suppose that the system would work as you stated above ( i doubt it would, probably woud work for the first month but then deteriorate after that) how is this a reflection of your karma at all? karma should be how you effect the community and the general mass of staredit.net, not a select group of people appointed to make up for minds for the whole community

You don't understand... it's not like the only ones that give karma would be the uber users here, as long as someone has been in the site for longer than a week and never spammed he'll be allowed to give karma as well.
The idea is to not allow spammers and flamers to give karma because as you can guess their opinion doesn't count that much.

will there be karma point you can give out for pms or shouts?

I don't care how you do it, any system relying on one factor alone is too abusable.

k i guese i didnt, i thought u made it out to sound like only a couple of people would get to administer karma, like only the regualr memebers. but if your only limiting a few, then it's fine. i dont think they should be cut perminitly though, more liked suspended from karma.

dt_bk, it's not limited on one factor... thus that's why my system has two! admin and member karma, both handled differently, one being completely controlable by the gods.

I agree though, using post count as a lone factor for promotion type events is too abusable, thus, the need for a new system was in need. Would you be elite under the karma system? Maybe not after that whole bank scandal .

I think only people that has at least 10 posts would be able to give karmas, so people wouldn't be able to do easily lame accounts.
And a "points" system would be better :
A = 1+months at SEN/30 /!\ if months at SEN/30 > 1 , then make it to 1
B = 1+post/day/5 /!\ if post/day/5 > 1 then make it to 1
C = karmas
points = ABC

exemple :
a man that just registered but have 5 karmas will have 5 points
Me, if i have 5 karmas i will have about 6,9 points (and yoshi about 15)
A ~ 1.13
B ~ 1.22
C = 5
ABC ~ 6,9

and if we have 73 karmas, he will have 73, me , about 100 and yoshi more than 217 !!

So, what do you thik about this ?

Sounds good in theory, however, probably not the best idea. I don't want a sen account's age to ever be a factor.

i like the idea of only being abkle to give out karma after like 10 posts, but i'd say make it more like 20. I didnt have any idea what i was doing in my first ten posts (over exageration). 20 lets new comers gets the feel and it also puts some control on who can/ cannot use akrma system.

20 posts sounds good.

what happend to karma? are you instating the new system soon or something?