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The current karma system will be deleted and any karma will be reset. This is how I'm doing things:
Instead of giving a member a karma point, you will be in essence giving a member's post, tutorial, or map karma. So let's say Mr.Bob makes a nice reply to your thread in serious discussion that totally changes your perspective, for example, you can give his post a karma point. Or, someone uploads a new map they made and it totally pwns, you can give that file a karma point. Basically, you'll still be giving that member a point, but there won't be, for example, random karma points given through a profile page or a link or anything remotely similiar. The karma system wasn't intended for that purpose.

So, limitations:
Each post can recieve a max of 3 karma.
Each tutorial submission can recieve a max of 10 karma.
Each file submission of which you are the author can recieve a max of 15 karma.
You can only give a karma point for a post within the last 3 days or a tutorial / file submitted within the last month.
You can only give 2 (maybe 3) karma points within 24 hours. That doesn't mean you get 2 karma points per day to give away, it means 3 can't be given away in any 24 hour span. So... give one at 8am and one at 12pm, you can give the next one at 8am the next day, but you'll have to wait till 12pm to give another one.
You can't give the same member two karma points within 72 hours.

Besides your basic member karma, there will be a seperate system for admins. This will be more or less a safety control. Us admins can give -3 to +3 admin karma per post as we see fit. Globals MIGHT be able to give -3 to +1 admin karma. This will be a preventive measure to any type of cheating such as 2nd accounts as anything major will need admin karma as well.

This system will replace post based group promotions. For example, you might need 10 admin karma and 100 member karma to become a regular. And yes, it'll be super easy due to logs to track down people who try to abuse the karma system for fast promotions.

Karma can also net you free store items. For example, you can get shadowed title with 100 member karma and glowing title with 200 member karma and 5 admin karma. You'll still be able to buy them regularly with minerals, but, they'll cost more then before.

You'll be able to see what posts recieved member + admin karma and what amount. This will also hurt any attempts of cheating. For example, if Mr.Bob gives a post karma that is only pure spam, it might raise suspicion.

This will partially replace the warn system.
Admin karma might be named Karma.
Member karma might be named Reputation.
I would like SCish names though, I'm thinking...

Key benefits:
Post count will mean nothing much, meaning, mods shouldn't be reducing your post count as punishment.
Promotions such as regular will be given to those who truely fit the idea of "a regular."
Post count statistics will be synronized. As post count means nothing now, any post will count towards post count, rather than, any post over 100 characters if in the right forum and what not.

Whatcha think? Discuss.

I don't get why there are so many limits on how many karma you can give to one thing. The users giving karma is already so restricted.

This is very interesting, I have some questions. When the karma resets, will it still work the same way? You mentioned karma logs, are WE, the members going to be able to read OUR logs? Are the parameters about the 100 karma = regular deleted and changed or is still a hundred? When is this happening? How will the system about giving karma about a submitted file or tutorial work?

kinda confusing but from what i understood i like it

I think posts deserve more than 3 points. More like 5 or something

What about pictures or attachments?

I still don't think Karma will accurately represent how much a member is liked on SEN... maybe admin Karma might.

And post count increasement should still have the same restrictions.

How can you say that when you won't even know how much karma will be required to achieve/purchase something?

Well, i mean, think about it. Many people would be reading your posts and many of them would probably think it's a good post. Compare 5 people to say, 10. If all 5 of those people wanted to give you a karma because of ur wondrous post, two of them will be left out since the max is 3. When 10 people want to give u a karma because of ur wondrous post, 7 of them will be left out. So in that sense, 5 people thinking ur post is good would give you equal amount of karma points 10 people that think ur post is good would. So what im really saying is: the higher the karma max is, the better it is into telling how good your post really is and how much karma you really deserve when comparing to others.

Well, I tried to make a karma system. IP has a way better idea though

AlsoWhat is the point of this last one if the top two are already there? There are enough restrictions for everything already

So you can't decide to give a member karma for a post a year ago?

It sure does look more advanced, yet I find the limitations hard to remember.
But a FAQ post should clear that up.
I like it .

Nice, my idea was implemented!

If yall think this is confusing, then you shouldn't dare look at what I proposed for admin karma...

Making any post of any character I won't like though. I like the current system and got acustomed to it. Basicly it means that forums like Garbage will be used way more since it counts towards posts. It will be even more full of pointless posts just to raise post count. People will still care about post count though, and some people use it as a reference(How much experience does the person have on SEN and trust might also be based here).

I use post counts as a statement showing that that person goes a lot here at SEN and probably spends here lots of time and is loyal. This can also be used to let people in SMT(Now I'm thinking of having a post count restriction and time of being a user), I also use it as a reference for posible people for mods. I would prefer someone with lots of posts and reputation who knows all the rules, than a guy who posts only in garbage and make 1 very good post a week and recieves tons of karma for that.

I say keep the current post count system.

One idea I had was to have a "Posts w/ 100+ Characters: xxx" kinda thing to balance that idea out beer.

15 max per download?
thats unfair for those with larger projects ;(

ADDITION:

good posts dont need to be that long, depending on the situation...

So now once we get 300 posts we can be regular?....

Amen.



DLDB keepers give extra karma for files?

The amount of karma someone can give people each 24 hours should be a function directly proportional to their total karma. That would help prevent people from making accounts simply to boost their karma, or other such abuses. Plus it makes people with good karma have their opinions weigh a bit more.

Of course, that threatens to make a sort of elitist Karma Circle, but at least its some formal way to measure the quality of someone's posts and participation. Better than nothing.

Lol tux, I think you forgot to login, But cool idea anyway tux, And no one bothered to reply to my post

Yeah I was on a different computer.

Anyway, I think karma should also be invisible, just like warn level. That way, people will be encouraged to do good things in general rather than good things specifically for karma gain (which also risks abuse). They'll only be able to tell whether they have good or bad karma by the good or bad effects they recieve.

I disagree with you here Tux. In my opinion what is the point of a "repuation" is so that others can determine how much respect you should be given before actually having formed their own opinions of you. If they are hidden what is the point of even having them? And I like that you are looking ahead to foresee potential problems, but I think that you are a bit paranoid. Just make it so that new members can't give rep pts. until they have a certain amount themselves, and for a certain amount of time. (a month or 2). This would solve almost all possible problems.

A month is quite a long time...

Faz reputation and karma are technically too different things anyway. We all know our reputations in real life (most of the time), but we would never really know our karma except by the effects it produces (if you believe in that sort of thing). I'm thinking the system should work similar here. Reputation isn't really something you can sum up in a number, IMO.

Anyway setting a minimum post count would give people (like abusers) a specific goal, whereas a simple math function of post quantity and/or quality (karma) would be more accurate and effective overall. Maybe it is paranoid for this instance, but last I remember programming a prealgebra-level function shouldn't really be difficult.

Sorry in another topic I read someone suggested changing member karma to "reputation" and calling only admin karma "karma." I thought it was in this thread by mistake.

Idea; since at least in my opinion Karma or any other simple system relying on one thing. (suspicious of Puni and his 12 Karma); perhaps we should have a system based on a bunch of variables; Karma among them.

Yoshi> Who cares about explaining systems; say SEN magically figures out how good you are.

something like

(post count factor + days at sen) (posts per days factor * karma factor)

Out of curiousity; can you do logarithms in PHP?